Is Mary the mother of God?

[coffee4u]

But she is very close to God in heaven. While we are on earth. Even if we was in heaven we will be counted as dead, and she is saint. We can pray to saints and angels but not to the dead.

All born again believers are saints and you should only pray to God.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

Mary found favour with God and was blessed by him, but there is nothing in scripture to say she held a closer place than any other obedient believer.
If we wanted to elevate anyone, I would think that honour belongs to Enoch and Elijah who were taken to heaven without having to die.

Gen 5:21–24
Enoch lived 365 years before he was taken by God. Enoch "walked with God: and he was no more; for God took him"

2 Kings 2
11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

 

[Goodhuman]

All born again believers are saints and you should only pray to God.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

Mary found favour with God and was blessed by him, but there is nothing in scripture to say she held a closer place than any other obedient believer.
If we wanted to elevate anyone, I would think that honour belongs to Enoch and Elijah who were taken to heaven without having to die.

Gen 5:21–24
Enoch lived 365 years before he was taken by God. Enoch "walked with God: and he was no more; for God took him"

2 Kings 2
11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Stick to the truth: she is above everybody, second after Jesus.
We are not saints, else we must be extremely pure, like the canonized saints.
Enoch and Elijah will back in the end times to be tormented and killed by the antichrist.
Everybody must taste earthly death, they are not exception!

 

[NBB]

Stick to the truth: she is above everybody, second after Jesus.
We are not saints, else we must be extremely pure, like the canonized saints.
Enoch and Elijah will back in the end times to be tormented and killed by the antichrist.
Everybody must taste earthly death, they are not exception!

Humans can't 'canonize' anyone, who is a child of God or a saint only God can say.
Or you tell me humans can judge who is going to be who in heaven? do me a favour please.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Mother of his humanity is a condemned heresy! She is the mother of His whole person just like your mother

 

[b4jesustoday]

She is the mother of peace because Christ is the prince of peace
She is the mother of mercy because He is mercy
she is the queen because the mother of the king, David, Solomon, is the queen, and rev 12 crown

 

[b4jesustoday]

Song of Solomon 4:7
Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.

Song of Solomon 4:12
A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

types of Jesus, Mary, and the saints

Jesus sun of justice!
Those living in the day by his grace!
Mary queen of mercy!
Those in the night of sin!
Lives of the saints and their prayers

 

[solid_core]

She is the mother of peace because Christ is the prince of peace
She is the mother of mercy because He is mercy
she is the queen because the mother of the king, David, Solomon, is the queen, and rev 12 crown

Just a question - how is your relationship to your mother? Is it healthy and how it should be?

 

[solid_core]

She is the mother of peace because Christ is the prince of peace
She is the mother of mercy because He is mercy
she is the queen because the mother of the king, David, Solomon, is the queen, and rev 12 crown

If you will become a known programmer, is your mother a mother of all programmers or should programmers consult her about programming, just because she gave you a birth?

It would be absurd. You need to realize that mother is not any kind of goddess that gives you everything you have or everything you are. After you become an adult man, you are on your own.

This fascination about Mary is unhealthy. God is our alpha and omega. And hers, too.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Not all programmers but mother of programmer or mother of President yes

mother of the person
The problem is you equate mother with source, Mary is not the source of God!
God is uncreated eternal God!

 

[b4jesustoday]

No it’s not unhealthy

and we can never do Her justice! We can never praise her enough!

words can’t convey all she is, all God has done in her!

 

[solid_core]

and we can never do Her justice! We can never praise her enough!

words can’t convey all she is, all God has done in her!

Does not make sense. If God has done everything in her, we do her justice when we praise God, not her.

You are idolizing her, a mere human. She did nothing special, she did only what every good mother does.

 

[b4jesustoday]

God alone is worshiped!

all generations shall call me blessed Lk 1:48

 

[Anthony2019]

Mary is the Theotokos, the God-bearer or the mother of God. She gave birth to a divine person. If we say she is not, then we are denying Christ's divinity which would be a serious theological error.

 

[coffee4u]

Stick to the truth: she is above everybody, second after Jesus.
We are not saints, else we must be extremely pure, like the canonized saints.
Enoch and Elijah will back in the end times to be tormented and killed by the antichrist.
Everybody must taste earthly death, they are not exception!

I have no idea what you are on about.

Mary was born and lived her life like any other girl. God found favour with her and she was blessed to carry Jesus and give birth and raise him. That is where her role ended. She was a normal woman who had children, lived her life and died like everybody else.

If you can find me a single scripture that indicates something more, please share it.

All believers are saints. Saint simply means a follower of Christ. You will find 67 incidences of the word saint in the bible. Canonising of people as 'saints' and as someone special is not scriptural.

Where in scripture do you find that Enoch and Elijah will back in the end times to be tormented and killed by the antichrist?

Show me the scripture for your points.

 

[coffee4u]

Mary is the Theotokos, the God-bearer or the mother of God. She gave birth to a divine person. If we say she is not, then we are denying Christ's divinity which would be a serious theological error.

Christ's divine nature is from God, not Mary. Mary gave Christ his human flesh, his humanity.
Philippians 2:7
But made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
As I said to the poster above, show us the scriptures for your points. If it's Biblical, if what you say is from God, you will have plenty, yes?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Christ's divine nature is from God, not Mary. Mary gave Christ his human flesh, his humanity.
Philippians 2:7
But made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
As I said to the poster above, show us the scriptures for your points. If it's Biblical, if what you say is from God, you will have plenty, yes?

The question isn't "where did Jesus get His natures from", the question is is Jesus a single, united Person. And the answer to that is a resounding and unequivocal yes. Jesus is both God and man. So conceived in Mary's womb was a Person, both God and man. Mary gave birth to both God and man. Mary fed both God and man from her breast. Mary cradled both God and man in her arms. Mary raised God and man. Mary was the birth-giver and the mother of God and man. Because Mary's Child, Jesus Christ, is God and man.

Mary didn't give birth to a part of Jesus, half of Jesus, a nature. No, Mary gave birth to Jesus. Period.

To divide Jesus into parts, pieces, to divide His natures is blatant heresy. It's Nestorianism.

We confess the one undivided Person of Jesus Christ, fully God and fully human, without any confusion, without any separation; one Person, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father and who for us men and our salvation became flesh, was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and for this reason she is called Theotokos. The birth-giver of God, or God-bearer.

This is basic Christianity. To deny this is to deny Jesus Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[b4jesustoday]

Not saints but called to be saints!

Rom 1:7

(Mary was born and lived her life like any other girl. God found favour with her and she was blessed to carry Jesus and give birth and raise him. That is where her role ended. She was a normal woman who had children, lived her life and died like everybody else)

no way!

Mary was full of Grace! Lk 1:28
The Lord is with Her! Lk 1:28
highly favored! Lk 1:28
Found favor with God Lk 1:28
Esther type of Mary who saved Her people, Mary is the mother of our salvation! Lk 2:30 for all people Lk 2:31
Most blessed amping all women, so very different than other women! Lk 1:28 Lk 1:48
Perpetual Virgin! Lk 1:34
Her very soul magnifies the Lord! Lk 1:46
God rewards her great humility! Lk 1:48
He that is mighty has done great things to me! Lk 1:49
What things? Immaculate conception, sinless, purity, holiness, Queen of heaven receiving half of His kingdom, the mother of the king is always queen, Same with David and Solomon, Jesus is king! Lk 1:32

Is 7:14 a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (Singular)
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The only child of Mary is Jesus Christ the Holy Son of God!

 

[coffee4u]

The question isn't "where did Jesus get His natures from", the question is is Jesus a single, united Person. And the answer to that is a resounding and unequivocal yes. Jesus is both God and man. So conceived in Mary's womb was a Person, both God and man. Mary gave birth to both God and man. Mary fed both God and man from her breast. Mary cradled both God and man in her arms. Mary raised God and man. Mary was the birth-giver and the mother of God and man. Because Mary's Child, Jesus Christ, is God and man.

That is word semantics. Of course Jesus was fully God, but that is not what Mary gave him. She gave him his flesh, he was already God. God choose to dwell within her, but nobody is the 'mother of God', that twists the meaning.

Mary never claimed to be 'the mother of God'.
Luke 1:46-55
And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
She knew that God alone was her saviour and that she was his servant.

Mary didn't give birth to a part of Jesus, half of Jesus, a nature. No, Mary gave birth to Jesus. Period.

Giving birth to Jesus does not make her the 'mother of God' Just because he chose to dwell within her does not make her 'God's mother'. Without your mother you don't exist, God always existed as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus was there before he came as a baby.

To divide Jesus into parts, pieces, to divide His natures is blatant heresy. It's Nestorianism.

You already know we don't believe in that Nestorianism rubbish and no one here is promoting that. What is heresy is to keep calling Mary the 'mother of God' and elevating her to some high position in heaven to be prayed to and venertaed. Prayer and worship is to God alone.
Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

We confess the one undivided Person of Jesus Christ, fully God and fully human, without any confusion, without any separation; one Person, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father and who for us men and our salvation became flesh, was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary

Of course, we do not deny that. No one is saying he is divided. We already had this conversation.

and for this reason she is called Theotokos. The birth-giver of God, or God-bearer.

This is basic Christianity. To deny this is to deny Jesus Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

Basic Christianity is believing that Jesus who is God came and died for our sins, rose again, and we follow him in faith as Lord and saviour.
Mary gave birth to our Lord, this isn't in question, but this does not make her the 'mother of God' which gives it an entirely different meaning to what she did. God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Colossians 1:15-17
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your bodies.

 

[plain jayne]

Perpetual Virgin! Lk 1:34

What??? All she asked was how was she going to have a baby since she had never had sex before. NOT that she will never have sex in her life. There is NOTHING, NOTHING in this verse that states, implies, or teaches a perpetual nature of her virginity.

Even YOU have to see that.

Immaculate conception, sinless

Where on God's EARTH is this found in the Bible? Where does it state that Mary never sinned.

Queen of heaven receiving half his kingdom

If Mary was sinless, then what was the PURPOSE of Jesus Christ? God could have just hung Mary on a cross!!

Queen of heaven receiving half his kingdom

This is vile and this is blasphemous. You have turned Mary into a goddess and make claims that are not only NOT in the Bible, but anti-Bible.