Behold

Well-Known Member
Apr 5, 2020
837
260
46
Netanya
✟13,908.00
Country
Israel
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Here is how God taught me to recognize the deceivers....

I asked God one afternoon, sitting on a porch swing, in the summer of 1991, that very question.
I had for a while looked around and i noticed that there was a church on every corner, and none of them agreed with each other's "teaching".
I realized that the entire world is full of denominations that all have peculiar ideas, strange doctrines, a Wooden Mary hanging on a wall next to a smaller wooden Jesus.
WHAT IS THIS MESS all around me. ??????

So, i asked God how to know, as i had to know.. I really had to know who was telling the TRUTH.
And He answered me in typical God fashion. He said..."find out what isn't true, and what is left, is true".
Knock down the false and what is left standing is the Rock, is the foundation, is the Light.
So, i had to do it. I had to learn how to SEE.
God often show you the Path, and you have to walk it, Saint.
HE told me what to do, but i had to do it, to KNOW.
So do you.
In other words, He told me to find out what was not right, what was offensive to the Cross, offensive to The Christ..... so that i could understand what was CORRECT and TRUE.

Let me tell you about the Devil.
He is smarter then you will ever be. He has mastered the bible in a secular way. He knows you better then you know you.
He understands that by adamic nature, we are self righteous, and we want to take credit and be noticed and appreciated and be given APPLAUSE and position.
The Devil comes to "christianity", not openly as a deceiver, but as a teacher, as a Light Bearer, as a Leader, as true.
His ministers come as teachers and preachers of righteousness.
They dont try to get you drink blood and hang Crosses upside down on a wall and astral project.
Satan's workers talk about all the things that you think a real spirit filled believer is going to talk about..
See, He knows this is what you are looking for, and that is what he is going to give you.. and that is why most of you can't tell the difference between a real God appointed leader and a Satanic counterfeit.
Here is what the devil knows about you. He knows you want to have someone talk to you about "love" and talk in a "tone" that is sweet and loving. He knows you are drawn to the "hug", so, he has his workers doing it while they lie.

Satan knows you dont study your bible. He knows that you spend very little time in prayer, and even less in praise. He knows that you are into the world, into having fun, and feeling good and buying more stuff.
He knows you were watching Game of Thrones when you know that this program was filled with LUST, RAPE, Savagery, and for how many years?
You are watching a lot of stuff that you know you should not be watching.
That big Screen, is a Hell box. You have to cut yourself loose from its control, Saint.
You have to use it WISELY and not to just feed your carnal desires.
Satan knows you dont have a chance regarding withstanding him, or discerning Him.
He has most of you in a cult, he has a lot of you trying to keep yourself saved, and he knows that if he put your mama or your brother or your best friend in the ER tonight, you would not know how to call on God and get this situation under control.
He would remind your mind of all the stuff you've been doing, and have you so condemned that you would feel ashamed to be asking God to help.
Oh YES.
Thats right.
And you think im being hard on you?
Im not, but he will be. He will harm you, and crush you, and if possible he'll ruin your relationships, ruin your kids, ruin your faith, ruin your health, and He will enjoy doing it. He possesses NO MERCY, he has NO CONSCIENCE, and "SIN" is his NATURE..."LUST" is his Spirit.
When the devil has you targeted for destruction, he will bring a person into your life that will cause you RUIN if you dont realize you are being drawn into it.
Remember that i told you that...

--

Go to #2

How to recognize a real Teacher #2

 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Neogaia777

Richard T

Well-Known Member
Mar 25, 2018
1,461
969
traveling Asia
✟69,551.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Here is how I find the truth. John 16:13-15 (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
 
Upvote 0

Jeshu

Bought by His Blood
Site Supporter
Mar 25, 2005
15,422
7,571
63
One of the Greatest Places on Earth.
✟600,188.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Yes when we don't discern love we will never understand God's word accurately. This is why there are so many denominations because Christianity has forgotten to understand that they need to know love before they can understand God's word rightly. This is why Jesus said those who do as I command those I will come to and Me and My Father will make our dwelling in them. Those with God's Spirit are hearers of the word and seek to truthfully love God and neighbour all others are frauds.

For those who haven't read Jude i highly recommend it. This song is a nice introduction to the Letter.

 
  • Like
Reactions: Richard T
Upvote 0

Behold

Well-Known Member
Apr 5, 2020
837
260
46
Netanya
✟13,908.00
Country
Israel
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Here is how I find the truth. John 16:13-15 (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Thats a nice verse.
But the application of the verse, is more then being able to read it.
In the real christian world, you are dealing with fakirs, liars, pretenders, deceivers, and worse.
You are also going to occasionally find someone full of Light.
To be able to SEE the difference between the dark lights and the Children of the Light, you have to be able to discern why one is dark and one is Light.
I think i'll eventually write more specifically about this in another Thread.
After all, if you have 10 "christians" in a room, and they all are holding a KJV, and all have a "JESUS" pin on their collar, and all can quote John 3:16, how can you tell that 8 of them are devils?
You'll have to be able to do more then quote a verse, to know.
Believe it.
 
Upvote 0

childeye 2

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
4,949
2,885
66
Denver CO
✟202,601.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I would say any expressed sentiment that when believed, would cause you to not see others as yourself, and subsequently not love others as yourself, and by extension despise the Spirit of God, is not true.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Neogaia777
Upvote 0

Behold

Well-Known Member
Apr 5, 2020
837
260
46
Netanya
✟13,908.00
Country
Israel
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I would say any expressed sentiment that when believed, would cause you to not see others as yourself, and subsequently not love others as yourself, and by extension despise the Spirit of God, is not true.

God is Love.
God's power works through Love.
Jesus is the Heart of God, expressed as Love and Sacrifice, Blood and Death.
Love is Sacrifice......its not just a word....Its the giving of YOU to God so that God can love through you, into this World's pain.
Love is not soft sounding words.....Love is not a gentle Spring Rain.
Love is GIVING....
For God so LOVED = HE GAVE... John 3:16
See that?
Thats real love, thats Agape` Love.
 
Upvote 0

childeye 2

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
4,949
2,885
66
Denver CO
✟202,601.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
God is Love.
God's power works through Love.
Jesus is the Heart of God, expressed as Love and Sacrifice, Blood and Death.
Love is Sacrifice......its not just a word....Its the giving of YOU to God so that God can love through you, into this World's pain.
Love is not soft sounding words.....Love is not a gentle Spring Rain.
Love is GIVING....
For God so LOVED = HE GAVE... John 3:16
See that?
Thats real love, thats Agape` Love.
I agree with you. Love/empathy is God's Eternal Spirit and it is displayed on the cross in a dramatic act of self sacrifice. Is there something in my prior post that you feel discounted that in some way?
 
Upvote 0

Richard T

Well-Known Member
Mar 25, 2018
1,461
969
traveling Asia
✟69,551.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Thats a nice verse.
But the application of the verse, is more then being able to read it.
In the real christian world, you are dealing with fakirs, liars, pretenders, deceivers, and worse.
You are also going to occasionally find someone full of Light.
To be able to SEE the difference between the dark lights and the Children of the Light, you have to be able to discern why one is dark and one is Light.
I think i'll eventually write more specifically about this in another Thread.
After all, if you have 10 "christians" in a room, and they all are holding a KJV, and all have a "JESUS" pin on their collar, and all can quote John 3:16, how can you tell that 8 of them are devils?
You'll have to be able to do more then quote a verse, to know.
Believe it.
I'll look forward to your future posts. As to being in a room where 8 out of 10 people are basically devils, why would I listen or really need any of them?
 
Upvote 0

Neogaia777

Old Soul
Site Supporter
Oct 10, 2011
23,290
5,241
45
Oregon
✟958,361.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Celibate
I would say any expressed sentiment that when believed, would cause you to not see others as yourself, and subsequently not love others as yourself, and by extension despise the Spirit of God, is not true.
Very wise simple wisdom @childeye 2, perhaps this is something both @Behold and myself need to keep in mind when even thinking about hating too much on anyone, thanks for that...

Love is most definitely not easy sometimes, especially when you feel and sense so much evil all around you sometimes, most especially from the pulpit sometimes...

We must find a way to Love them anyway, but short of compromising or backing down on what is important, but without hating or despising them, hard lesson to learn and hard to do sometimes...

And, again, especially when you feel so much evil around you sometimes, even from the pulpit sometimes, etc...

Not easy sometimes...

Feels like it can escalate to all out war sometimes, and that is most definitely not easy, etc...

But thank you!

God Bless!
 
Upvote 0

Neogaia777

Old Soul
Site Supporter
Oct 10, 2011
23,290
5,241
45
Oregon
✟958,361.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Celibate
I would say any expressed sentiment that when believed, would cause you to not see others as yourself, and subsequently not love others as yourself, and by extension despise the Spirit of God, is not true.

Very wise simple wisdom @childeye 2, perhaps this is something both @Behold and myself need to keep in mind when even thinking about hating too much on anyone, thanks for that...

Love is most definitely not easy sometimes, especially when you feel and sense so much evil all around you sometimes, most especially from the pulpit sometimes...

We must find a way to Love them anyway, but short of compromising or backing down on what is important, but without hating or despising them, hard lesson to learn and hard to do sometimes...

And, again, especially when you feel so much evil around you sometimes, even from the pulpit sometimes, etc...

Not easy sometimes...

Feels like it can escalate to all out war sometimes, and that is most definitely not easy, etc...

But thank you!

God Bless!

I would say that we must "reason" with them the best we can, but know when to quit for a while when that is fully exhausted and/or fails, and know when to quit for a while when we begin to lose that ability to use just pure reason, etc, and maybe not ever come back till we fully can again, and know when to quit if we begin to lose it again, etc, till we can come back with only it only again, etc...

And "etc, etc, etc", so on and so forth, etc...

Unfortunately, reason does not always prevail, etc, something we must accept as well, but also not let it or that make us give up hope, etc...

Might just have to try or move on to different people at some point, etc...

Anyway, that was a "word" for me...

Thank You @childeye 2...

God Bless!
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

childeye 2

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
4,949
2,885
66
Denver CO
✟202,601.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Very wise simple wisdom @childeye 2, perhaps this is something both @Behold and myself need to keep in mind when even thinking about hating too much on anyone, thanks for that...
As you probably know wisdom comes from on high, and I simply become a good/useful windbag when I repeat it. Carrying the cross is no way an easy thing, but it's better than being the crucifier. We will either be conformed to the Christ or we will conform to the world that crucified him.

There is a spiritual war happening within our minds for control of what will dwell in our souls. I believe one way to guard against being manipulated into hatred, is to stay focused on the premise that ultimately the god of this world (Satan), is testing the conviction that Love is Eternal and will endure all things, the conviction that God is Holy and a selfless servant to all. To accept the hatred is to accept that God is corrupt. Some of this gets lost in the semantics since God obviously hates a corrupt image of god which then corrupts the person who holds that false image as true.

Also, there is a vanity in the creature that grows the more we see Love/empathy as a prerogative, which gradually compromises our thankfulness to God for His Spiritual attributes found in us. This was Lucifer's downfall through which iniquity was found in him. Whenever we are moved to hatred towards others, we should remember in humility, that as creatures we all tend to take God's providence and His Spiritual attributes for granted in un-thankfulness. Doing this in all honesty and humility will turn such hatred towards others into pity, whereby we are enabled to pray sincerely for our enemies. We need to be thankful to God we are even thankful to God.
 
Last edited:
  • Friendly
Reactions: Neogaia777
Upvote 0

BobRyan

Junior Member
Angels Team
Site Supporter
Nov 21, 2008
51,283
10,581
Georgia
✟908,344.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
Here is how God taught me to recognize the deceivers....

I asked God one afternoon, sitting on a porch swing, in the summer of 1991, that very question.
I had for a while looked around and i noticed that there was a church on every corner, and none of them agreed with each other's "teaching".
I realized that the entire world is full of denominations that all have peculiar ideas, strange doctrines, a Wooden Mary hanging on a wall next to a smaller wooden Jesus.
WHAT IS THIS MESS all around me. ??????

So, i asked God how to know, as i had to know.. I really had to know who was telling the TRUTH.
And He answered me in typical God fashion. He said..."find out what isn't true, and what is left, is true".
Knock down the false and what is left standing is the Rock, is the foundation, is the Light.
So, i had to do it. I had to learn how to SEE.
God often show you the Path, and you have to walk it, Saint.
HE told me what to do, but i had to do it, to KNOW.
So do you.
In other words, He told me to find out what was not right, what was offensive to the Cross, offensive to The Christ..... so that i could understand what was CORRECT and TRUE.

Let me tell you about the Devil.
He is smarter then you will ever be. He has mastered the bible in a secular way. He knows you better then you know you.
He understands that by adamic nature, we are self righteous, and we want to take credit and be noticed and appreciated and be given APPLAUSE and position.
The Devil comes to "christianity", not openly as a deceiver, but as a teacher, as a Light Bearer, as a Leader, as true.
His ministers come as teachers and preachers of righteousness.
They dont try to get you drink blood and hang Crosses upside down on a wall and astral project.
Satan's workers talk about all the things that you think a real spirit filled believer is going to talk about..
See, He knows this is what you are looking for, and that is what he is going to give you.. and that is why most of you can't tell the difference between a real God appointed leader and a Satanic counterfeit.
Here is what the devil knows about you. He knows you want to have someone talk to you about "love" and talk in a "tone" that is sweet and loving. He knows you are drawn to the "hug", so, he has his workers doing it while they lie.

Satan knows you dont study your bible. He knows that you spend very little time in prayer, and even less in praise. He knows that you are into the world, into having fun, and feeling good and buying more stuff.
He knows you were watching Game of Thrones when you know that this program was filled with LUST, RAPE, Savagery, and for how many years?
You are watching a lot of stuff that you know you should not be watching.
That big Screen, is a Hell box. You have to cut yourself loose from its control, Saint.
You have to use it WISELY and not to just feed your carnal desires.
Satan knows you dont have a chance regarding withstanding him, or discerning Him.
He has most of you in a cult, he has a lot of you trying to keep yourself saved, and he knows that if he put your mama or your brother or your best friend in the ER tonight, you would not know how to call on God and get this situation under control.
He would remind your mind of all the stuff you've been doing, and have you so condemned that you would feel ashamed to be asking God to help.
Oh YES.
Thats right.
And you think im being hard on you?
Im not, but he will be. He will harm you, and crush you, and if possible he'll ruin your relationships, ruin your kids, ruin your faith, ruin your health, and He will enjoy doing it. He possesses NO MERCY, he has NO CONSCIENCE, and "SIN" is his NATURE..."LUST" is his Spirit.
When the devil has you targeted for destruction, he will bring a person into your life that will cause you RUIN if you dont realize you are being drawn into it.
Remember that i told you that...

--

Go to #2

How to recognize a real Teacher #2

When they want to train new bank tellers to know fake currency from real currency they do it by having them study the real currency so well that no matter what sort of fake shows up - they can spot it.

1. "the Spirit will lead you into all truth" John 16. Pray for the Spirit of Truth.
2. The Bible - scripture is the work of the Spirit of Truth - 2 Peter 1:19-21.
3. "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were so" Acts 17:11
4. Exegesis matters. And the first 2 rules of Exegesis are context, context.

So for example

What is the NEW Covenant? the temptation is to "make stuff up" to say whatever "sounds good to you at the moment".

Instead of that -- go the Bible.. look for "THIS IS The New Covenant".. specifically "I WILL MAKE a NEW Covenant with...."..

And you find it exactly two places... Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12. so then read it.

Start there and keep going forward.
 
Upvote 0