The sun stood still

[Nathan Poe]

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I thnk your post is mean spirited. I have studied science every year of my life after I turned 6, I post and act and think like a scientist AND a Christian. I dont know what you act or think like, but you post like a big meanie. The need to put other people down to make yourself appear more intelligent to the very person you have put down is childish and betrays a lack of confidence in your own intellect.

Here's some advice I got out of a fortune cookie:

No one agrees with a man who speaks pompously, even if he is right.

First of all, I am not a Christian, just so you know.
Second, click on dad's profile and read any 10 of his posts. I suggest reading some of dad's threads over in the Discussion and debate/Creation and Evolution forum.

I appreciate your opinion, but those who know dad are not sympathetic to his self-promoting causes.

 

[Caphi]

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I thnk your post is mean spirited. I have studied science every year of my life after I turned 6, I post and act and think like a scientist AND a Christian. I dont know what you act or think like, but you post like a big meanie. The need to put other people down to make yourself appear more intelligent to the very person you have put down is childish and betrays a lack of confidence in your own intellect.

Here's some advice I got out of a fortune cookie:

No one agrees with a man who speaks pompously, even if he is right.

Trust me. Compared to dad, even the most self-serving of Nathan's posts (or almost anyone elses') looks like Wayne Campbell's "not worthy!"

 

[chilehed]

Well, actually for Him to
"have grabbed every individual atom at once and brought that component of their velocity to zero. " would be harder I think.

I was indicating that both scenarios would be infinitely easy for Him. If you don’t agree then perhaps we have different understandings of God’s attributes.

Guys, there’s no need to quibble about my use of the word “grab”, I was just using a common expression. It’s not like I was suggesting he sprouted a few billion quadrillion tiny hands or something. If you’d be happier if I substituted another word, such as “influenced”, consider it done.

Also we need to fit the evidence. Why did no one on the planet notice it stopped spinning all of a sudden? How were the fundamental laws of physicas all overcome in the universe at once, such as what happened to the other planets we orbit in sync with? What about momentum, that would throw things off the planet if it screeched to a stop? Etc. You have far too many things to explain that could never be done unless the spiritual is involved.

God can dispense with any law of the universe as he sees fit.

Think about my response with your engineering hat on. Normally acceleration is accomplished by applying a force to a discreeet location on a body, and the transmission of that force through the body to each element of mass within the body causes stress. This stress is responsible for the physical sensations of acceleration and for the failure of parts.

If the force is distributed and applied directly to each element of mass of the body (in this case, the entire planet, everything on it and its atmosphere), there will be no transmission of the force from one element of mass to another, no stress within the body and thus no physical sensation. There will be no change in relative velocity between any affected element of mass and another, so nothing will slam into walls or fly into space.

The first sign of anything unusual would be the apparent lack of motion of the sun in the sky. It would be unnecessary to stop everything in the universe, and since the apparent motion of objects at cosmic distances is so slow no one at the time would have noticed whether or not those objects were affected anyway.

But if you prefer to think that he did it another way, that's fine too. I don't at all care how he did it, and if it turns out that the story is merely allegorical then I won't be disappointed. My only point in joining this thread was to evaluate the claim that a close pass by a planetary body could shift the earth's rotational axis and produce the observed result, and my professional opinion as a degreed mechanical engineer is that it's a lousy theory.

 

[dad]

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If the force is distributed and applied directly to each element of mass of the body (in this case, the entire planet, everything on it and its atmosphere), there will be no transmission of the force from one element of mass to another, no stress within the body and thus no physical sensation. There will be no change in relative velocity between any affected element of mass and another, so nothing will slam into walls or fly into space.

The first sign of anything unusual would be the apparent lack of motion of the sun in the sky. It would be unnecessary to stop everything in the universe, and since the apparent motion of objects at cosmic distances is so slow no one at the time would have noticed whether or not those objects were affected anyway.
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Interesting.

 

[kofh2u]

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Hmm. So, what does this have to do with Joshua winning the battle because it stayed light all day, and never got dark? Nothing, it seems.
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Well, it always stays light during the day,... by definition.

 

[dad]

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Hmm. So, what does this have to do with Joshua winning the battle because it stayed light all day, and never got dark? Nothing, it seems.
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Well, it always stays light during the day,... by definition.

Sorry you missed the jist. The thing that happened was that it stayed nice and light longer than usual. The poster simply offered a physical explanation for how that may have happened, ans I offered a spiritual and physical one.//////////////]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\

 

[kofh2u]

Sorry you missed the jist. The thing that happened was that it stayed nice and light longer than usual. The poster simply offered a physical explanation for how that may have happened, ans I offered a spiritual and physical one.//////////////]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\

When you say "spiritual" explanation, do you mean surrealistic or "other world" metaphysical happening, like God's good witchcraft?

 

[dad]

When you say "spiritual" explanation, do you mean surrealistic or "other world" metaphysical happening, like God's good witchcraft?

Spiritual and physical will be the norm, and were the natural. The
surrealistic or "other world" metaphysical stuff is assuming it was not, which is not science either.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

I've always wondered, why is physical and life sciences classified under society? It makes no sense (just like the prosecution) it makes no sense.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyone able to weigh in here?

The rotation of the earth was stopped long enough for Joshua to win the battle.

The sun (and moon) standing still are references from the point of the observer.

It's basic physics.

 

[sjastro]

The rotation of the earth was stopped long enough for Joshua to win the battle.

The sun (and moon) standing still are references from the point of the observer.

It's basic physics.

Your post can take a hike...........

 

[Yttrium]

God suspends physical rules for dramatic effect, then sets everything back to normal afterwards. Nothing really to analyze here. Take it on faith or don't.

 

[SelfSim]

The rotation of the earth was stopped long enough for Joshua to win the battle.

The sun (and moon) standing still are references from the point of the observer.

It's basic physics.

Must've been a super-quick battle then .. like microseconds or something!?

 

[Subduction Zone]

AV necro thread. When he is tired of being shown to be wrong in the active threads.

 

[AV1611VET]

Must've been a super-quick battle then .. like microseconds or something!?

How do you figure?

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

 

[Strathos]

You should have waited a few more months, then you could claim a 15 year necro.

 

[AV1611VET]

You should have waited a few more months, then you could claim a 15 year necro.

-- Nuts!

 

[Hans Blaster]

How do you figure?

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

'Cause then the sudden jerk from restarting the rotation will follow the sudden jerk stopping the rotation so quickly that the disruption is no worse than standing on a bus when it makes a sudden turn or stop and everything won't die.

You know, simple physics.

 

[SelfSim]

How do you figure?

Well, given the miraculous context, its not really worthy of an answer .. Largely because it had nothing to do with winning a battle .. regardless of its duration.

 

[AV1611VET]

'Cause then the sudden jerk from restarting the rotation will follow the sudden jerk stopping the rotation so quickly that the disruption is no worse than standing on a bus when it makes a sudden turn or stop and everything won't die.

You know, simple physics.

Check out this doosey:

2 Kings 20:11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

Not only did the earth suddenly stop, but it was suddenly put into reverse!