30+ Bible verses that support universal salvation

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

**** This Is My Personal Opinion ****


I feel like people who promote Universalism Heresy completely disrespect All The Holy Martyrs, Holy Saints and Holy Prophets of God who suffered torture, cruel mistreatment, poverty, starvation and death at the hands of evil and vile people to live pious and Holy lives instead of sacrificing to demons and idols.

To me it's like Universalists don't think that it's a big deal that Enslavers, Murderers, Black Magicians / Witches who torture innocent people and put hexes on people and have communion with demons, rapists, people who actively persecute and fight against God's Church, False Accusers, Liars, Mass Murdering Dictators, people who join secret societies and people who blaspheme The Holy Spirit and worship Satan don't get punished for their Eternal Sin.


Universalism Is Pure Demonic Heretical Evil. Period.


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[Jord Simcha]

I don't think any of us will know what we'll be satisfied with at that point - our bodies, old lives and old selves will be dead. We'll be changed, no longer on earth with earthly thoughts, concerns etc but understanding all things.
How do any of us know that we'll think about people that we knew while on earth and feel worried/upset/dissatisfied about the state of their soul and final destination? We are trying to think about such things now, with our earthly, finite minds - how do we know what, and how, we'll think when the dark glass has gone and we see face to face, 1 Corinthians 13:12?

Love will remain. It will actually increase. We will love almost everybody. I say almost because with some people there is a lot to forgive.

The wages of sin is death.
We ALL deserve eternal punishment from God for disobeying, and sinning against, him. Even people who are "good" people and have lived decent lives.
Adam and Eve had a perfect relationship with their Maker, and a beautiful world to enjoy. They were asked not to do ONE thing, and they disobeyed. As a result of that, sin, death and decay came into the world, and their relationship with God was spoilt.
In his love, mercy and grace God did not leave things like that. Even in the garden he promised that one day one of Eve's descendants would crush the devil's head - and eventually he sent Jesus, who did just that and gives eternal life, forgiveness and reconciliation with God to all who believe and accept him.

I disagree. We don't all deserve eternal punishment from God. In fact, nobody does. Though some probably deserve some punishment for sure.

Except that that does not agree with other Scriptures which teach eternal punishment, and that anyone who doesn't believe will perish. Nowhere does it say "no need to receive God now, you can repent after you die". Or "yes, you've led an evil life now, and when you die you will perish for a short time. But eventually you'll be with God in heaven."

Yeah that's the hard part. To harmonize it with the rest of scripture.

The thing is they're not really hard to interpret, and easy to harmonize with the character of God.
So in fact it might be the case that the eternal punishment verses are the problem. Perhaps they were misinterpreted by translators and are they the ones that are hard to harmonize with the character of God and the rest of scripture. Aionios (Greek) might have to be interpreted as "in the coming age" or "age-long" (for an age) instead of "eternal".

So God DEMANDS perfection of us now, even though we'll never achieve it, and whether someone is 5% perfect or 99% perfect when they die, they go to be with him anyway?
Why would anyone bust a gut trying to be perfect in this life if, when they die, God is still going to take them to heaven anyway? How unreasonable of God to demand something that we're never going to be able to achieve and then, one day, we'll end up in the same place as all the murderers, infidels and people who didn't even try to achieve it.
That reminds me of my brother at university; no way was he going to work all hours to try and get a 1st class degree. He knew that he could do less work, have time for fun, pub crawls etc and still get a 2:1, which is still a very good degree. He and his fiancée (now wife, who got a first,) both ended up with the same thing - a degree.

Faith and love, is why people would bust a gut.

And, with Jesus trying to be perfect is not like busting a gut, but easy:

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3

"For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matthew 11:30

If they are deliberately preaching something that they know is a lie; maybe.
But what of someone who interprets the Scriptures differently?

Also if they preach something they don't know is a lie they are still false preachers.
The audacity to be wrong and still preach.

If someone interprets the scriptures differently they are wrong, unless you are wrong.

Like it or not, Universalism is an unorthodox Christian belief (see CF statement of faith). It may be discussed only in this Controversial Christian Theology forum and is not a belief of mainstream churches.

I don't mind. The truth be hated.

But I, for one, am not going to say that anyone who is unorthodox in their Christian beliefs is not saved. Some people do say such things - as in, "if you don't go to this church, use this translation of Scripture or believe this doctrine you are not saved." I have had that said to me. They decided to judge me and my salvation and concluded that I am still unsaved - they were wrong.

So you are certain of your election is what you're saying. But you aren't of doctrine is what I'm also reading. Because you wouldn't disqualify somebody who interprets the scriptures differently than you.

I believe according to the Gospel that all that are saved are lead into the truth by the Spirit of truth, and can't really be doctrinally wrong (at least, mature Christians, as I alluded to earlier).

You could make a judgement that someone who does not go to church, works on a Sunday, or a number of other things is not saved; you could be very wrong.

I don't really judge based on those things, but based on what comes out of their mouths.

Although apparently both saved and unsaved are eventually going to be in heaven - so I guess it makes no difference what anyone believes.

It does make a difference what you believe. Those who believe already have eternal life which is a huge blessing and will be exalted.

What does it matter if anyone has unsound doctrine now, or even a different faith; if they are going to be saved anyway?

Right. Well I can tell you it's a huge monkey off my back indeed. When I was just converted and didn't have faith in universal salvation yet I felt very burdened.

It doesn't really matter how marriage was back then; Jesus said there's no marriage in heaven.

Til death do you part.
Widows and widowers are at perfect liberty to marry again, without breaking their first vows. A woman who married young could have 3 husbands during her life - quite legally and respectably if they were all ill and died/were killed.
The Sadducees asked Jesus this question; a woman married 7 times after her various husbands died; whose wife will she be in heaven? Jesus replied that there is no marriage in heaven, Mark 12:18-27.

Yes, I know this. But I will not give up my great love for a specific person and my hope to be with her in heaven.

I wasn't referring to you; I was thinking of an unbeliever who might say "so I can have fun with my friends now, not go to church or read my Bible and still be in heaven?"

Well actually, that's what I'm going to preach from now on. Perhaps you inspired me.

I'm confident it'll bring more repentance than what I've preached in the past.

I have heard people who've said, "I'll think about becoming a Christian later", or "you have to give up loads of stuff when you become a Christian, I don't want that - yet".

Yes. I have friends like that too. "Can I do it on my deathbed?" lol

Generally, the Christian's response is "come to Christ now; you don't know how much time you have left", or "repent and believe now; if you put it off, you may not do it at all and one day it'll be too late." There is a Scripture which says "seek the Lord while he may be found", and another which says "NOW is the day of salvation."

Exactly. There are scriptures to urge people to repent. So ofcourse I urge people to repent.

I have never heard any preacher or evangelist say to people, "you don't want to respond to the Gospel? That's cool; you'll be saved one day", or "you don't believe in God? Don't worry; wait until you meet him and can see him, then you'll believe and be able to repent."

Perhaps you have never seen a preacher with faith like me.

You can judge - discern - by their words whether or not they are preaching Scripture; you cannot judge whether or not they have really heard the Good News, believe that God loves them and accepted him as both Saviour and Lord.

False preachers are not born again.

When I was a teenager I had been going to church for some years and had a reasonable knowledge of Scripture. But I didn't believe God loved me; I was still scared of him and trying to earn his approval. I accepted him many times, tried to serve him and wanted to believe in his love. Was I saved? Some would say "no", others would say "yes, but you weren't living it".

Not sure I can weigh in on this question. I would if this was a private conversation.

John Wesley, when an ordained vicar, used to have a book in which he wrote all his sins, and tried harder and harder to live a Godly life. Then, in 1738 (on 24th May) he had an experience of God which he described as having his heart "strangely warmed". After that, he truly believed that he was a son of God, that Jesus died for him - and his preaching ministry took off big time. His brother had had a similar experience a few days before, and wrote the first of thousands of hymns. Were they saved when they were clergymen, serving Jesus and teaching the faith but mostly in their own strength, without knowing him? Some would say "No, they were converted only on that day", others would say "of course they were - they just received baptism in/an anointing of the Holy Spirit."

What makes you think John Wesley was saved at all?

No one can judge if someone else is saved, because we don't know people's hearts - and also have different ideas about "being saved". How would you judged whether someone with Down's Syndrome/brain damage/severe mental illness is saved? You have no idea about their prayers, their heart and their faith.

What comes out of their mouths reveals people's hearts. And minds.

Being saved is about what you believe. All believers have the mind of Christ. And are loving.

That's how you can recognize them.

I'm going to live eternally, yes.
A person who rejects God, continues to reject God and says they hate him; may not.
Otherwise there'd be no point in preaching the Gospel.
"You hate God and don't want to live forever? No problem; he'll get you one day and you can't do anything about it."
"You have no intention of going to heaven to be with God forever? Tough. You could murder all your Christian neighbours and burn down the church; you're still going. "
"You're not going to let anyone drag you kicking and screaming into church? Well God's going to drag you kicking and screaming into heaven, so you might as well get used to it."

Is there a point to reporting the news?

If so, there is also a point to report the Gospel, which is the greatest news of all time.

 

[Jord Simcha]

I feel like people who promote Universalism Heresy completely disrespect All The Holy Martyrs, Holy Saints and Holy Prophets of God who suffered torture, cruel mistreatment, poverty, starvation and death at the hands of evil and vile people to live pious and Holy lives instead of sacrificing to demons and idols.

To me it's like Universalists don't think that it's a big deal that Enslavers, Murderers, Black Magicians / Witches who torture innocent people and put hexes on people and have communion with demons, rapists, people who actively persecute and fight against God's Church, False Accusers, Liars, Mass Murdering Dictators, people who join secret societies and people who blaspheme The Holy Spirit and worship Satan don't get punished for their Eternal Sin.
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I feel you, are completely disrespecting me, who I dare say, might be just as holy in the eyes of the Lord as a some of your Catholic saints!!!!!

When you say that I (we) don't think it's a big deal that those horrendous crimes wouldn't be punished.

Absolute utter defamation!

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

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[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I feel you, are completely disrespecting me, who I dare say, might be just as holy in the eyes of the Lord as a some of your Catholic saints!!!!!

When you say that I (we) don't think it's a big deal that those horrendous crimes wouldn't be punished.

Abolsute utter defamation!

Heretics Are Anathematized as a last resort because of their refusal to repent of their heresy.

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[mlepfitjw]

"Not Everyone Who Says To Me, 'Lord, Lord,' Shall Enter The Kingdom Of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
• Matthew 7:21-23


Then He will also say to those on the left hand,
'Depart From Me, You Cursed, Into The Everlasting Fire Prepared For The Devil And His Angels
• Matthew 25:41


The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
• Revelation 20:10


If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, Let Him Be Accursed. O Lord, come!
• 1 Corinthians 16:22



NPNF2-14 The Capitula of the Council.

• The Capitula of the Council

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"IF Anyone Does Not Anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinaris, Nestorius, Eutyches and Origen, as well as their impious writings, as also all other heretics already condemned and anathematized by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and by the aforesaid four Holy Synods and [if anyone does not equally anathematize] all those who have held and hold or who in their impiety persist in holding to the end the same opinion as those heretics just mentioned: Let Him Be Anathema. "




NPNF2-14 Emperor Justinian Against Origen.

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"If Anyone Says Or Thinks That The Punishment Of Demons And of Impious Men Is Only Temporary, And Will One Day Have An End, And That A Restoration (apokatastasij) Will Take Place Of Demons And Of Impious Men, Let Him Be Anathema.

Anathema to Origen and to that Adamantius, who set forth these opinions together with his Nefarious And Execrable And Wicked Doctrine And To Whomsoever There Is Who Thinks Thus, Or Defends These Opinions, Or In Any Way Hereafter At Any Time Shall Presume To Protect Them."




• The Decretal Epistle of Pope Vigilius in Confirmation of the Fifth Ecumenical Synod.

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Jude, you never answered me. Instead deflected my questions with scripture as though they are the answer. The answer is Jesus Christ what he did, what he showed, and how he loved, even though those scriptures were really good and all. You may believe in Sola Scriptura and that is okay I have seen many people go to this belief which was created by men and they are fallible and wrong sometimes.

I am wrong my self sometimes but my target goal is not to cause strife, but just learn even though a forum site is the worst place because it is the internet, and it so much more easier for people to judge others on the internet...

Though as humans we are able to have respect for each other and your beliefs are totally justified for your own individual faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ, friend. Where your heart lies is not for me to determine. Therefore it is okay though, the fact I love you even by not knowing who you ever are and that is good enough for me.

Thanks you for responding anyway. I have nothing more to say.

May the mercy, patience, longsuffering, compassion, love that God our Father is and the Lord Jesus Christ be with you and your family, Jude!

 

[Jord Simcha]

I am wrong my self sometimes but my target goal is not to cause strife, but just learn even though a forum site is the worst place because it is the internet, and it so much more easier for people to judge others on the internet...

If you have any questions about the faith feel free to pm me if you want.

I have plenty of time on my hands to help out.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Jude, you never answered me. Instead deflected my questions with scripture as though they are the answer. The answer is Jesus Christ what he did, what he showed, and how he loved, even though those scriptures were really good and all. You may believe in Sola Scriptura and that is okay I have seen many people go to this belief which was created by men and they are fallible and wrong sometimes.

I am wrong my self sometimes but my target goal is not to cause strife, but just learn even though a forum site is the worst place because it is the internet, and it so much more easier for people to judge others on the internet...

Though as humans we are able to have respect for each other and your beliefs are totally justified for your own individual faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ, friend. Where your heart lies is not for me to determine. Therefore it is okay though, the fact I love you even by not knowing who you ever are and that is good enough for me.

Thanks you for responding anyway. I have nothing more to say.

May the mercy, patience, longsuffering, compassion, love that God our Father is and the Lord Jesus Christ be with you and your family, Jude!

This is clear as day :

"Not Everyone Who Says To Me, 'Lord, Lord,' Shall Enter The Kingdom Of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I Never Knew You; Depart From Me, You Who Practice Lawlessness!'

• Matthew 7:21-23

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[mlepfitjw]

This is clear as day :

"Not Everyone Who Says To Me, 'Lord, Lord,' Shall Enter The Kingdom Of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I Never Knew You; Depart From Me, You Who Practice Lawlessness!'

• Matthew 7:21-23

Ok. That is talking about the Pharisees of that time and day. The reason they can't enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Or obtain the Holy Spirit) was because of their harden hearts towards Christ Jesus. People who acted like they believed but they did not truly believe, because they were still partaking in the law which was sin, and not trusting in Christ Jesus or having faith on Him.

The law was that of Moses which Jesus Christ had come to fulfill and allow all the priesthoods, animal sacrifices and the like to be null/voided out because of his fulfillment.

1 John 3:4-5 > So that is how what I believe it is talking about. Not unbelievers. He was talking to professing so called believers. Who did not really have any faith in him what so ever.

You gotta think that this is way back a long time ago to a different time period, and a lot of the time when Jesus Christ was speaking He was talking to mostly his own people the Jews.

 

[Strong in Him]

Love will remain.

Of course.
Not marriage though.

I disagree. We don't all deserve eternal punishment from God.

The wages of sin is death - eternal death; separation from God. Adam and Eve DID die when they ate the fruit; they were separated from God; spiritually and physically.
That will be the punishment, imo; knowing without doubt who God is and that it is too late to get to know him, become his child etc, because you are still unforgiven and dead in your sins.

Yeah that's the hard part. To harmonize it with the rest of scripture.

Has it ever occurred to you that if you can't harmonise an idea with the rest of Scripture, that idea is false?

The thing is they're not really hard to interpret, and easy to harmonize with the character of God.

If you start with the principle that because God is love then everyone must get a "happy ever after" ending; I'm sure you can find Scriptures to support that.
Love is patient, kind, not rude and a whole host of other things, 1 Corinthians 13:4-7.
Love also does not force, make someone do something they don't want or ignore/disrespect their own choices. If you invited someone for a meal and they said "I'm a vegetarian", I doubt you would say, "tough; everyone eats meat in this house/I've made it, you're going to eat it." A good host would ask beforehand if they had any dietary requirements - that's showing love, respect and hospitality."

And, with Jesus trying to be perfect is not like busting a gut, but easy:

You find it easy to have perfect thoughts and desires 24/7? To never ever speak in anger or get irritated with someone? To give to everyone, and never fail to do good or show compassion?

Also if they preach something they don't know is a lie they are still false preachers.
The audacity to be wrong and still preach.

Does that apply to you too - if you are wrong?

I don't mind. The truth be hated.

Or maybe it's not the truth?
If I held a belief that all orthodox churches, most theologians and commentators, opposed; I hope I would at least begin to question if my understanding of Scripture was wrong.

So you are certain of your election is what you're saying. But you aren't of doctrine is what I'm also reading. Because you wouldn't disqualify somebody who interprets the scriptures differently than you.

I'm saying that I know I am saved and belong to God.
I might argue with other Christians on minor matters - for example, the ordination of women, and have done. In that case, yes, I do believe they've interpreted the Scriptures incorrectly. But they may very well still be saved - it's not a teaching that affects salvation.

I believe according to the Gospel that all that are saved are lead into the truth by the Spirit of truth, and can't really be doctrinally wrong (at least, mature Christians, as I alluded to earlier).

Except that the Gospel doesn't say that all are saved.
Jesus said; "whoever believes has eternal life", and "unless you repent, you will perish", Luke 13:3. John also said, "whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son does not have life", 1 John 5:12, John 3:36.

I don't really judge based on those things, but based on what comes out of their mouths.

It's fairly easy to say good things and even quote Bible verses; it doesn't mean that someone is a Christian.

Yes, I know this. But I will not give up my great love for a specific person and my hope to be with her in heaven.

Hope? Surely you believe that all are going to be saved? So you WILL be with her in heaven - just not romantically, or married.

Well actually, that's what I'm going to preach from now on. Perhaps you inspired me.

God forbid!

I'm confident it'll bring more repentance than what I've preached in the past.

That's my whole point - why would anyone need to repent and give up things which they find pleasing, like sin, if they are bound to go to heaven anyway?

Would such an approach be popular? Sure, people have itching ears - "here is the Gospel and what God has done for you. Here's how he wants you to live for him. But if you don't accept either, if you throw his love back in his face; you'll be in heaven one day anyway."

Exactly. There are scriptures to urge people to repent. So ofcourse I urge people to repent.

My question is; why?
If you believe that everyone will be saved one day and in heaven one day; what reason do they have to turn from sin, accept God and change their lives NOW?

Perhaps you have never seen a preacher with faith like me.

I've never heard a preacher with unorthodox beliefs like yours, no; most likely they'd be stripped of their right to preach.

Not sure I can weigh in on this question. I would if this was a private conversation.

You've said that you are allowed to judge someone's salvation; you must have a view.

What makes you think John Wesley was saved at all?

His testimony and his sermons.
Anyway, even if he wasn't at the time, he will be now.

What comes out of their mouths reveals people's hearts. And minds.

Yes; but people can still say the "right Christian things", or sing hymns about God's goodness, and not believe it.

Is there a point to reporting the news?

If so, there is also a point to report the Gospel, which is the greatest news of all time.

People report the news to let others know what is going on - and because they get paid for it.
I have gone for days without listening to the news; no big deal.

There is a point to preaching the Gospel, because Jesus told us to. He is the only Way to the Father and the only One who can save us. Even you, in this thread, have been talking about being saved.
But if everyone is going to be in heaven with God one day, whether they have been saved and lived for God or whether they have rejected him and died as sinners - there's no point in preaching the Gospel. In fact, there's no Gospel to preach.
Look how many wars are cause by religion. You could stop all that by saying "cool it guys; you're all going to the same place."

 

[FineLinen]

God is Omniscient

“His understanding is infinite; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.”

“Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world.” Psalm 147:5; Isa. 46:10; Acts 15:18.

God knew when he created Adam what would be the eternal destiny of every individual of his offspring, as surely as He will know when the last generation of man shall have enteredf inal state.

If all are to be saved, He knew it; and if part damned/annihilated, the fate of each individual soul was known to Him.

These conclusions are just as certain as that God’s knowledge is infinite.

God must have designed what He knew would be the eternal destiny of each individual of our race.

If He knew all would be saved, He must have designed the salvation of all; and if he knew part would be saved, and part damned without relief and without end, He must have designed the salvation of some and the damnation of others.

Every man designs what he knows will be the result of his voluntary acts. If I know when I speak to a certain person he will fall at my feet dead, and if I persist in speaking to him with this knowledge of the consequence, I, of course, intend he shall die; so if God knows the destiny of all men, all who go into Him by His decree, and all who go to hell will go there by his decree.

This is just as certain as that two and two make four.

God has not created conscious beings, knowing and intending that eternal misery would be their doom!

It is impossible, utterly impossible!

 

[Der Alte]

**** This Is My Personal Opinion ****
I feel like people who promote Universalism Heresy completely disrespect All The Holy Martyrs, Holy Saints and Holy Prophets of God who suffered torture, cruel mistreatment, poverty, starvation and death at the hands of evil and vile people to live pious and Holy lives instead of sacrificing to demons and idols.
To me it's like Universalists don't think that it's a big deal that Enslavers, Murderers, Black Magicians / Witches who torture innocent people and put hexes on people and have communion with demons, rapists, people who actively persecute and fight against God's Church, False Accusers, Liars, Mass Murdering Dictators, people who join secret societies and people who blaspheme The Holy Spirit and worship Satan don't get punished for their Eternal Sin.
Universalism Is Pure Demonic Heretical Evil. Period..

Plus they cannot provide even one verse which states clearly and unequivocally that the unrepentant unrighteous will be saved no matter what, even after death.

 

[Strong in Him]

God is Omniscient

“His understanding is infinite; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.”

“Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world.” Psalm 147:5; Isa. 46:10; Acts 15:18.

God knew when he created Adam what would be the eternal destiny of every individual of his offspring, as surely as He will know when the last generation of man shall have enteredf inal state.

If all are to be saved, He knew it; and if part damned/annihilated, the fate of each individual soul was known to Him.

These conclusions are just as certain as that God’s knowledge is infinite.

God must have designed what He knew would be the eternal destiny of each individual of our race.

If He knew all would be saved, He must have designed the salvation of all; and if he knew part would be saved, and part damned without relief and without end, He must have designed the salvation of some and the damnation of others.

All CAN be saved - he has made that possible for everyone. Sinners CAN be forgiven and reconciled to God.
But not everyone believes in God nor wants to be reconciled to him. So they won't/don't ask for forgiveness. They don't believe there is a God, or a heaven; they can't have sinned against God, because they have decided that there isn't one. Or maybe they believed in God once, but had a hard life, believed that God didn't care about them and want nothing to do with him now.
The wages of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus - not everyone wants this gift.

Every man designs what he knows will be the result of his voluntary acts. If I know when I speak to a certain person he will fall at my feet dead, and if I persist in speaking to him with this knowledge of the consequence, I, of course, intend he shall die;

But you don't.
No one can fully predict other people's actions. I had friends at school who were told by a teacher "you'll never pass that exam". Result? They worked harder and made sure they passed it just to spite the teacher. I know of others who've heard the same words and thought; "if even the teacher doesn't believe in me, there's no point", and given up.
No two people react to bereavement, or bad news, in the same way. No two people react to good news in the same way - many times someone does something for someone else, that person is less than overwhelmed and the first person says "I thought you'd be pleased."

so if God knows the destiny of all men, all who go into Him by His decree, and all who go to hell will go there by his decree.

God knows who will accept salvation and who won't - that doesn't mean he decreed, decided or wanted them not to accept it.

God has not created conscious beings, knowing and intending that eternal misery would be their doom!

He knows that some of them will choose that - or at least, not want to be saved.
All through the Bible people are told to choose; "choose this day whom you will serve", "if Yahweh is God, choose him". Jesus didn't make anyone follow him, and didn't go after them if they turned back. He always said "come", not "do as you're told." There's a wide path and a narrow path; it's up to us.

God does not love only those who love him, and will not save only those who live the "right" kind of life. He is for everyone - but won't force anyone who doesn't want him.

 

[FineLinen]

The wages of sin is death - eternal death; separation from God.

There is no such animal!

All thanatos , all death, ends in the One who swallows it in His patented process of The Heavenly Gulp.

God is the Source, Guide, Goal of the all.

 

[FineLinen]

All CAN be saved - he has made that possible for everyone. Sinners CAN be forgiven and reconciled to God.

The salvation of the Living God is centered wholly within Himself. It is NOT in the possibility dimension of might or could or maybe depending on you!

The identical many made sinners are the many made righteous: every last one!

 

[mlepfitjw]

You guys can fight for whatever you think is right. You know, it really doesn't make a difference in the end of life itself. At the end of life, how ever old you may be, you might change your mind laying on your death bed for the desire for all to be saved.

When I think about the things that are being said here... they seem off putting, and they seem selfish. Naturally the excuse is "I am using scripture, with emphasize that can't fight against what the scripture says."

It's like that is the authority, the written word of God is made to be the authority and it is used by men like it is their God given authority to say what the content is providing but what about God Himself. The Author and creator of it all in the first place?

What about Him, what does He desires say about His Will that seems to point to the end result being all people will be resurrected. Not all will dwell with Him Heavenly Jerusalem from what the bible states. It mentions the unbelievers who desired nothing to do with Him are outside of those Gates.

What I tend to see in these places when it comes to sola scriptura (or Scripture Alone), or people using scripture to say hey this is the way it is, without looking to the Lord Jesus Christ and what He DID, is a mistake a forgivable one but still a selfishness that has to do with the matter of the heart itself.

What can a believer that trusts in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Desires God to be able to have it His way, instead of Mans way do?

To say that the Lost are going to be burned alive forever and ever, or that they will never see a chance even after this life because that is what Man - MAN-dates -.

I disagree. The bible does say that eventually all will come and will give praise to God, every knee... that means everyone.

Even though they may be lost in the afterlife outside of the Heavenly Jerusalem, may they see the light shining from that city, and the people that are from that city come out to help them.

I would hate for it to be all about just the people in the city of God who has no love, or care for the lost, or for me to got to heaven and forced against my own will and to lose my sense of free-will and being that has been granted to ALL people since the start of life. That would be ultimate hell for someone like me anyway. And I believe in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and freedom of liberties that they bring to the table!

 

[Light of the East]

**** This Is My Personal Opinion ****


I feel like people who promote Universalism Heresy completely disrespect All The Holy Martyrs, Holy Saints and Holy Prophets of God who suffered torture, cruel mistreatment, poverty, starvation and death at the hands of evil and vile people to live pious and Holy lives instead of sacrificing to demons and idols.

To me it's like Universalists don't think that it's a big deal that Enslavers, Murderers, Black Magicians / Witches who torture innocent people and put hexes on people and have communion with demons, rapists, people who actively persecute and fight against God's Church, False Accusers, Liars, Mass Murdering Dictators, people who join secret societies and people who blaspheme The Holy Spirit and worship Satan don't get punished for their Eternal Sin.


Universalism Is Pure Demonic Heretical Evil. Period.


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I do think about this from time to time in my quest to understand. I think about people I see today who are so sold out to evil that no form of rebuke, pleas, information, or showing and talking about the love of Christ turns them from their desire for yet more and more wickedness.

The only thing I can offer is that we don't see the big picture because of our narrow view of life and death. Remember when St. Moses the Black was martyred? He saw a martyr's crown awaiting him. He will have that crown forever, and I, unless martrydom is in my future, will not. This seems to indicate that in eternity, there will be degrees of reward and blessedness which are worth fighting for here on earth. When was the last time we heard such a message from our pulpits? When was the last time we heard a message urging us to forsake all so that we could gain rich rewards in the next life?

I think that even our Lord spoke of this when the Apostles said they had given up things to follow Him and He replied by saying that those who had given up family and worldly riches would gain a hundred fold more in the next life. Our equality minded world has lost sight of this, but the words of the Lord were still fresh in the martyr's ears when the entered the arenas of Rome

God is not unjust. Living for Him brings rich reward, and the more we sacrifice here, the more we gain. The idea of being lazy, sitting on your bum, and thinking you will get everything that heaven has to offer should be discouraged and preached against vigorously. I think part of the torments of the next life for the wicked will be seeing all the wonderful rewards a selfish life has cost them forever.

Just my thoughts. I do hear what you are saying.

 

[FineLinen]

The Father loses nothing.

All sheep and goats are His.

All piglets are His.

All animals on the thousand hills are His including the hills.

Abba is the Source, Guide & Goal of ta panta/ the all !

 

[Light of the East]

Plus they cannot provide even one verse which states clearly and unequivocally that the unrepentant unrighteous will be saved no matter what, even after death.

We provide them. You ignore them.

Does All Really Mean All?

It's one thing to argue your point. It's quite another to lie about your opponents.

 

[FineLinen]

We provide them. You ignore them.

Does All Really Mean All?

It's one thing to argue your point. It's quite another to lie about your opponents.

I refuse to ignore them!

The New Radical Unbelief Bible

1 Cor. 15:22

“For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power.”

Rev. 5:13

“And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power forever.”

Col. 1:18-20

“He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in some things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in some things alone supreme . For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in some of its fulness should dwell. And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile some things unto Himself ; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated…”

Acts 3:20,21

“And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. ( when some things are put right) ”

1 Cor. 15:28

“And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some.”

1 Cor. 15:25,27

“For He must reign until He hath put some enemies under His feet…For He hath put some things under His feet. But when He saith some things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put some things under Him.”

Romans 11:32

“For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some.”

Eph. 4:10

“Yea, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above some heavens, that He might fill some things with His Presence.”

John 5:28

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which some that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

1 Timothy 2:4

“For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have some men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth.”

1 Timothy 2:6

“For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of some to be testified in due time.”

Cor. 5:15

“For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for some, then were some dead; And that His purpose in dying for some was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life.”

Col. 1:16

"For by Him were some things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and some of the powers of Heaven)… some things were created by Him, and for Him (some were made by Christ for His own use and glory.)

John 3:35

“The Father loves the Son, and has given some things into His hand (has given Him control over less than everything). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God’s displeasure hangs over him continually.”

Gal. 3:20

“But the Scripture has concluded/consigned some without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to those who believe in Him.”

Heb. 1:2

“God…hath in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of some things)”

2 Cor. 5:14

“For the love of Christ constraineth/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of some, then some thereby became dead men. Christ died for some, so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for some of us and has risen again.”

Heb.8:11

“And they shall not teach some men his neighbor, and some his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for some of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness…”

Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of some.

Rom. 11:36

"For from him some things come; through Him some things exist; and in him some things end. ” (For of him and through him, and to him are some things.)

Eph. 4:6

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of some, who is over some, and works through some, and dwells in some.”

Heb. 12:23

“To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of some men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect.”

James 2:10

“For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating some. ”

Romans 3:22,23

“…the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For some have sinned / none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.”

John 17:2

“As thou has made him sovereign over some of mankind that he should give aionios life to as many as thou hast given him.”

Romans 9:5

“The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above some, be blessed throughout the ages.”

2 Peter 3:9

“The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people’s conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for some to come/reach repentance.”

Phil. 2:10,11

In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus some knees will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by some beings in the heavens, by some beings on the earth and by some beings in the underworld.

Please Remember…

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some