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[lasthero]

I have no idea what point you want to make there, but the death totals from Covid-19 are less than from the flu that we have lived with year after year without upending all of the people's rights.

That’s not true. On average, we don’t lose more than 50,000 from the regular flu, even on a bad year. COVID-19 has done far worse, and it’s not even had a full year yet.

 

[FireDragon76]

I have no idea what point you want to make there, but the death totals from Covid-19 are less than from the flu that we have lived with year after year without upending all of the people's rights. Naturally, the scare merchants and their political agenda do not want to give that reality very much coverage.

It seems that MAGA has become the party of liebestod.

 

[istodolez]

I grieve for this country to the point of despair at times. I suppose it is an impetus for me to take more time aside for my spiritual practices.

I never once thought that I'd be better off moving to Canada in my life...but now I'm looking wistfully back at that time years ago when I was offered a postdoctoral position in British Columbia. Had I known that my nation would collective give itself a lobotomy and turn into what we are now I would probably have taken that.

And that makes me very mad. I love my country. I've been very fortunate to be born here. But we have decayed. We are becoming a "failed state". COVID was just the test of exactly how far we'd fallen. And we seem to be failing that test very badly indeed.

 

[Nithavela]

The FDH data has been manipulated so it could reopen faster with less.social distancing measures. The real data is explained by a tired doctor from FDH:
floridacovidaction.com
I'm not in favor of a lockdown because of social and economic effects. More social, being that I have autism and for someone who likes to make friends and keep contact, that's the last thing I need.

Personally I think the last thing you need is multiple organ failure.

 

[Tom 1]

Yes, but the people who are not serious cases would not be overrunning the hospitals. Therefore, the numbers of deaths and people who actually are in the hospital are what is important.

It's quite straightforward - more infections = more people in hospital = more deaths, both from the virus and secondarily due to people not being able to access treatment for other conditions.

 

[Nithavela]

Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

Give it.. let's say 2 weeks.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's quite straightforward - more infections = more people in hospital = more deaths, both from the virus and secondarily due to people not being able to access treatment for other conditions.

because the more infections in general the more that are serious.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

The number of deaths was not the number one concern.
When New York was really bad, the shut down was to 'flatten the curve' so that the hospitals were not so overwhelmed that it was a disaster (more than it was). That was ALWAYS the point of the shutdown - to flatten the curve and to give those that get ill a better chance.
Don't think it matters if you catch coronavirus? Look at this chart.

Flatten the curve: How one chart became a rallying cry against coronavirus

The number of deaths was, of course, a concern. It was also concerning how long those on ventilators had to be on them. As time went by, it is a concern how the consequences to the virus have developed. Some Covid patients have been dealing with kidney disease requiring dialysis, heart failure, lung disease requiring transplant or at least continuing oxygen because of destruction of tissue, neurological symptoms and more.

Just because the number of deaths has not risen as fast as the infections yet does not mean much. Death may not come for weeks, and medical treatment has improved - and we may yet be looking at many, many people with long term consequences of the disease that affect the rest of their life.

 

[FreeinChrist]

It’s the state I’ve been terrified for since the virus hit the US, and they’ve just passed a grim milestone. 10,000 daily new cases. For perspective that’s higher than any European country had at the height of our outbreaks. That’s right, ANY COUNTRY, including Italy who have 3 times the population of that state and were probably the most dramatically effected.

I’m not a Christian, but if you are and you have prayers to spare, now might be a good time to send them down there.

It is not just more than any European country had but more than the entire European Union and more.

Actually, the 10,000 number in a day is more than the European Union, China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Australia, Indonesia and the Philipines on the same day.

 

[rjs330]

I'm not surprised about any of this. We knew it was going to happen. Once people got out and started moving around it was going to spread.

It was inevitable. Americans just won't give up their lifestyle for COVID. They won't stay shut down, they won't maintain social distancing.

Nothing more can be done.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm not surprised about any of this. We knew it was going to happen. Once people got out and started moving around it was going to spread.

It was inevitable. Americans just won't give up their lifestyle for COVID. They won't stay shut down, they won't maintain social distancing.

Nothing more can be done.

Maybe the only thing was to maintain the initial shutdown.

But yeah, clearly Americans generally arent mature enough for grown up toys.

 

[rjs330]

Maybe the only thing was to maintain the initial shutdown.

But yeah, clearly Americans generally arent mature enough for grown up toys.

Yup, I've watched young people hanging out without social distancing, I've watched Americans go back to work. I've watched protests with thousands with no social distancing.

In the end we might be better off than any other country. I guess we will found out.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The rest of the world is looking at America as a failure. Our lack of a national plan is a national humiliation.

 

[Tom 1]

because the more infections in general the more that are serious.

Yes that's right.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The rest of the world is looking at America as a failure. Our lack of a national plan is a national humiliation.

There is no national plan following the tenth amendment and letting the states/local governments/people decide.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yes that's right.

Even though still most cases are not.

 

[Kentonio]

I'm not surprised about any of this. We knew it was going to happen. Once people got out and started moving around it was going to spread.

It was inevitable. Americans just won't give up their lifestyle for COVID. They won't stay shut down, they won't maintain social distancing.

Nothing more can be done.

I think you’ll see a very rapid change in people’s attitudes and behaviours when this starts to spiral out of control. Sometimes it takes being confronted by disaster to wake people up to what is important.

 

[Tom 1]

The rest of the world is looking at America as a failure. Our lack of a national plan is a national humiliation.

It's been pretty bad in the UK too, hard to say if the worst is over or not. In Russia things seem to be getting worse, and in Brazil they definitely are. What is painful to watch in the US is the absence of even any sort of attempt at leadership, the WH seems to taking the stance of waiting until it all goes way while at the same time doing their best to undermine the advice of medical professionals. It's hard to accept but it looks like things are just going to keep getting worse there.

 

[FireDragon76]

The rest of the world is looking at America as a failure. Our lack of a national plan is a national humiliation.

Unfortunately, yes.

Let's all pray or send positive thoughts that things change, that we regain our national sanity and realize that wearing masks and following science-based advice isn't a political issue.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's been pretty bad in the UK too, hard to say if the worst is over or not. In Russia things seem to be getting worse, and in Brazil they definitely are. What is painful to watch in the US is the absence of even any sort of attempt at leadership, the WH seems to taking the stance of waiting until it all goes way while at the same time doing their best to undermine the advice of medical professionals. It's hard to to accept but it looks like things are just going to keep getting worse there.

They will get better at some point ( especially if herd immunity is anywhere near a thing. That is how 1918 pandemic ended basically enough people got it that it became a non-issue. Now it cost 50 million lives but it DID in fact go away.

 

[Tom 1]

Even though still most cases are not.

Yes, it's a bit of a mixed bag though. People without serious symptoms are developing secondary effects, some of the sub-ICU level cases have be left with permanent health conditions. Even the not so serious cases that still require some hospital treatment are leading to an estimated rise in death in the 10s of thousands due to the knock on effect of people not seeking treatment for other ailments when they normally would.