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[Aldebaran]

Would that be the same ‘do anything’ as when America invades other countries when it’s buildings are destroyed?

Which buildings are you referring to? The World Trade Center and Pentagon?
Don't forget the 2,500 or so lives that were in those buildings, and on the planes. We say we will never forget, but apparently some of us have in just under 19 years.

 

[Aldebaran]

Thank you for continuing to make an example of yourself.

We're all examples of ourselves.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

I bet this is the favorite book of every vacuous, moralistic bloviator on this message board,

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Which buildings are you referring to? The World Trade Center and Pentagon?
Don't forget the 2,500 or so lives that were in those buildings, and on the planes. We say we will never forget, but apparently some of us have in just under 19 years.

All Buildings Matter.

 

[Darkhorse]

Would that be the same ‘do anything’ as when America invades other countries when it’s buildings are destroyed?

Probably, but the circumstances would probably be different.

Destroying the businesses of uninvolved third parties because police are unjustly killing civilians is completely different than conducting a military operation.
Sort of like the difference between a child's temper tantrum and the parent's punishment.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

We're all examples of ourselves.

Correct. And your continued inability to substantiate any of your naked assertions is an example to anyone reading along here. So, thank you.

 

[Kaon]

When you say "do anything", you are including the destruction of businesses.

Don't you think it's a bit cynical to assume "doing something" means intentional harm to businesses or humans?

The "anything" itself is a flippant pronoun to describe the thing that black people are supposed to do - since 1) telling us didn't work, 2) seeing them being hanged and lynched didn't work, 3) getting into academic systems to teach didn't work, 4) holding office didn't work, 5) peaceful marching and protesting didn't work, 6) riots didn't work, 7) peaceful protests with clear agent provocateurs didn't work, 8) appealing to the Supreme Court didn't work...

What will it take for Americans to see black people as human, and treat them with equal privileges and rights as the next American? Literally nothing has kept America from trusting in the racism of the parents and grandparents: it has simply morphed into a political game of plausible deniability. (Real question) Would Americans want black people to go back to being slaves, or (at least) invisible? Because it seems that is the only thing that gets a favorable response. And I keep seeing the same arguments (being made by Christians, interestingly) which seem to continuously neglect empathy, sympathy or any of the basic human emotions afforded to a neighbor, or brother. Our prejudice is being used against the entire nation to destabilize it, and we are obliging while applauding when our own citizens are killed by entities paid to keep peace and maintain order.

No Deep State is needed; we are doing it ourselves.

 

[Darkhorse]

Don't you think it's a bit cynical to assume "doing something" means intentional harm to businesses or humans?

The "anything" itself is a flippant pronoun to describe the thing that black people are supposed to do - since 1) telling us didn't work, 2) seeing them being hanged and lynched didn't work, 3) getting into academic systems to teach didn't work, 4) holding office didn't work, 5) peaceful marching and protesting didn't work, 6) riots didn't work, 7) peaceful protests with clear agent provocateurs didn't work, 8) appealing to the Supreme Court didn't work...

What will it take for Americans to see black people as human, and treat them with equal privileges and rights as the next American? Literally nothing has kept America from trusting in the racism of the parents and grandparents: it has simply morphed into a political game of plausible deniability. (Real question) Would Americans want black people to go back to being slaves, or (at least) invisible? Because it seems that is the only thing that gets a favorable response. And I keep seeing the same arguments (being made by Christians, interestingly) which seem to continuously neglect empathy, sympathy or any of the basic human emotions afforded to a neighbor, or brother. Our prejudice is being used against the entire nation to destabilize it, and we are obliging while applauding when our own citizens are killed by entities paid to keep peace and maintain order.

No Deep State is needed; we are doing it ourselves.

You sound like you are fighting a legion of demons.
I have seen much advancement for Blacks in my 66 years; I don't see your demons.

 

[Aldebaran]

All Buildings Matter.

At the risk of being redundant:

Don't forget the 2,500 or so lives that were in those buildings, and on the planes. We say we will never forget, but apparently some of us have in just under 19 years.

 

[Larniavc]

Which buildings are you referring to? The World Trade Center and Pentagon?
Don't forget the 2,500 or so lives that were in those buildings, and on the planes. We say we will never forget, but apparently some of us have in just under 19 years.

I’m surprised you had to ask. I thought it was common knowledge but I’m sure the time it took to google it was time well spent.

 

[Aldebaran]

Correct. And your continued inability to substantiate any of your naked assertions is an example to anyone reading along here. So, thank you.

Oh, you're so welcome. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do to help!

 

[Aldebaran]

I’m surprised you had to ask. I thought it was common knowledge but I’m sure the time it took to google it was time well spent.

I was alive at the time it happened, so I didn't have to google it. It was something I won't forget.

 

[TLK Valentine]

At the risk of being redundant:

Don't forget the 2,500 or so lives that were in those buildings, and on the planes. We say we will never forget, but apparently some of us have in just under 19 years.

All lives matter.

 

[Kaon]

You sound like you are fighting a legion of demons.
I have seen much advancement for Blacks in my 66 years; I don't see your demons.

And this is why it is so easy to destabilize the States: your citizens' problems aren't your problems as well. They don't have to be your "demons" to realize there is some deliverance needed; you just have to care. You know a nation is weak when the citizens cant see each other; there are nations that are exploiting this against the States right now - and have been for several decades.

It finally stuck.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Defense against the British who were invading America at the time is what you're referring to. We have the right to defend the country against outside invaders.

It wasn't "our country". It was a colony of the England. The rebels destroyed property and violently rebelled against their government.

1 Samuel 15:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

 

[rjs330]

I’m sorry, I think I was misleading. I’ve never witnessed a riot, but I’ve witnessed a lot of police aggression and brutality. I’ve witnessed a protester throw something at the cops (water bottle or other harmless item) 4 times in 16 years of protesting. 2 of the 4 times, the crowd ejected the water bottle thrower, tossed them to the cops in disgust. Rioters wait until it’s dark and don’t usually hang with the peaceful protesters when they decide to start stuff, because the protesters will try to stop it. Rioting is rare, and you are smearing protesters by conflating the two. The numbers don’t lie.

What numbers?

 

[variant]

Perhaps you can share with us some legislation they are blocking and are not offering any thing different and have no intention of offering.

And have you forgotten that they are there by the will of the people? The people voted them there and want them to address certain things. And since the Republicans there are a majority they are acting on behalf of the majority who voted for them. And the Democrats are doing the same in the house. We can't say the house is subverting the will of the people. Since they are in the majority. We'll see come voting time if the people still agree with what they are doing. In the house and the Senate.

The "will of the people" argument isn't gong to land when 40 senators (bipartisan this time) representing a minority of people have been blocking most regular business for decades.

 

[Sparagmos]

What numbers?

The numbers of people peacefully protesting, the number of peaceful protests, vs. the number of incidents of rioting, looting, and vandalism.

 

[rjs330]

Assuming that you mean Democrats when you say “the left,” it’s black leaders, not white democrats, who initiated the call to end racism and oppression. The Dems are simply responding to calls from the black community. The idea that blacks are victims of oppression did not originate with the Democratic Party, it originated with black people living under oppression. The black leaders in my city talk about this all of the time, it would be really insulting for me to assume that they got the idea that they are victims from white democrats.

. The policies of the Democratic Party are explicitly and drastically better for immigrants than the policies of the Republican Party. The Dems in Congress have fought tooth and nail for the dreamers (DACA) and to keep immigrant families together. Where do you get the idea they are just pretending? Pretty much all of the Dems I know genuinely care about the plight of immigrants in our country, if our sentiment is genuine I think it follows that those among us who run for office also genuinely care. If they didn’t care they could just join the Republican Party where their anti-immigrant stance would be welcomed.

Oh dear not the old "anti-immigration" lie again. Man, I get so tired of the left and their exaggerating lies. It gets so old.
We don't want Obama care so we want to kill people.
We don't want over regulation- we want to destroy the planet
We want people to come here and stay here legally- we hate immigrants
We point out the science isn't settled in masks- we want to kill people.
We want to change the way welfare is done- we want people to starve or we don't want to help the poor.
We don't think people should make more money not working than when they were working- We don't care about people.
So if you listen to the left you get the mantra

Conservatives hate any one who isn't rich and white and want people to die. That's pretty much the bottom line.

 

[rjs330]

The numbers of people peacefully protesting, the number of peaceful protests, vs. the number of incidents of rioting, looting, and vandalism.

You mean the same kinds of numbers people want to use to protest and riot because of the police? You desperately want to downplay the numbers of the rioters in comparison to the good protestors, but won't give the cops the same consideration. No you want to protest against them and defund them.

Sounds to me like you being a bit hypocritical.

 

[rjs330]

What numbers?

Also, do you actually have any real numbers?