Does Jesus quote 1 Enoch?

[Dkh587]

Generally when you quote someone to support your statement; you do it to bring more credibility to your own words.

true, but the book of Judah says he’s quoting Enoch, not that he’s quoting the book of Enoch.

It is only an assumption that he’s quoting from the book of Enoch.

 

[Dkh587]

Here, Jude references Enoch 2, calling it 'prophesy'. 2 Peter 1:21 tells us that no prophecy ever came by the will of man, but by men speaking from God.

By definition, if scripture is telling us that was a prophecy, and also that prophecy originates from God, then that makes it authoritative.

Judah doesn’t quote the book of Enoch, he quotes Enoch.

It doesn’t say “as it is written”, or anything to specify that he is quoting any kind oF written material.

 

[JM]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

Enoch is a mess of a book with late attestation. It's more likely a book called Enoch had the quote added to it from holy scripture.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[Bruce Leiter]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

It's not in the Old Testament or the Apocrypha. The Jesus who inspired the Old Testament can give authoritative teaching that's not anywhere. Since he is God and man, he certainly can give us new insights to our resurrection, when we won't be married anymore and when our whole attention will be centered on God.

Without going into the Apocrypha in any detail, I believe that the Holy Spirit guided the early church to the truly-inspired books that compose the Bible. The other books are interesting but not to be relied on for truths and history that God put in the present Bible. As I remember the criteria, the church based their decisions on whether recognized prophets and apostles wrote them and whether they fully agreed with the obviously inspired books. Enoch didn't make the cut.

 

[SeventyOne]

Judah doesn’t quote the book of Enoch, he quotes Enoch.

It doesn’t say “as it is written”, or anything to specify that he is quoting any kind oF written material.

If he wasn't referencing written Enoch, are you implying he had an audio recording, or did he and Enoch have a chat over dinner?

 

[friend of]

It's not in the Old Testament or the Apocrypha. The Jesus who inspired the Old Testament can give authoritative teaching that's not anywhere.

He surely can. But He used the phrase "you do not know the scriptures" which would logically mean that they should be acquitted with this teaching already. They were not.

 

[crossnote]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

I don't believe Enoch is or was canonical for today or any day. Jesus did not quote from it. When He said "You do not know the Scriptures or the power of God...", He was merely stating a fact about the Sadducees. Also being their Creator, Jesus knew about the angels and their ways.

 

[friend of]

I don't believe Enoch is or was canonical for today or any day. Jesus did not quote from it. When He said "You do not know the Scriptures or the power of God...", He was merely stating a fact about the Sadducees. Also being their Creator, Jesus knew about the angels and their ways.

Fair enough.

 

[Swag365]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

The books that you hold as canonical, you do so as a matter of faith, do you not?

It's not like anyone can prove by means of science or history that any of the 27 books of the New Testament are inspired by God.

 

[friend of]

The books that you hold as canonical, you do so as a matter of faith, do you not?

Yeah I guess.

 

[public hermit]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

I am really enjoying this thread, and the discussion on 1 Enoch. I don't want to take away from what has been said, but I do want to offer another possibility. When Jesus speaks of "the scriptures" in verse 29, could he be referring to the Pentateuch as in Matthew 22:31-33?

"And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, “I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”? He is God not of the dead, but of the living.’"

He says, "...have you not read" and then references a phrase found throughout the Torah, that is the first five books. Jesus is speaking to Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection and only accepted the Pentateuch. So, he uses that phrase from their own accepted scriptures to show that God is God of the living, even if the "living" he speaks of are presumably dead.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

Winner chicken dinner! I'm impressed, bud!

If you purchase a copy of the R.H.Charles version, it includes a three page run down on a long list of Old Testament, Apocryphal and New Testament scriptures that are either directly connected or closely related to Enoch 1 verses; close to 300 in total (P.311-314 in my copy).

The evidence is really obvious. It's just that not everyone sees it.

God bless, and keep up the good work!

 

[Blade]

Man all over the world has added to the word of God. A quote.. does not mean should be in the word of God. He walked with God and was no more. HELLO RAPTURE! OT NT and up to now. There have been and are so many men and woman of God that HE still talks to. Yet. They never got what they said put in His book. JESUS is lord... amen!

 

[Jermayn]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible. I checked my NIV and NKJV and there was no footnote, strangely. Where did it come from and could it have been quoted from 1 Enoch? Jesus tells them they are mistaken for NOT understanding the scriptures, but which scriptures did Jesus have in mind when He told them about how things would be in future heaven with regard to marriage?

Below, there is no mention by any of these theologians where these scriptures of authority on the matter are to be found (I've read through them) and no mention is made of Jesus' source in the OT:

Matthew 22:29 - But Jesus answered... - Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Matthew 22:30 -

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

So, is 1 Enoch canonical for this present day? Why or why not. I could be totally off-base in all this and I admit as much. I think it's worth exploring if anyone has any insight that'd be great. Anyone who's read 1 Enoch let us know what your thoughts are. I'm undecided. Probably not, but I'm open to suggestions.

God bless,

I believe the Book of Enoch states that Enoch is the messiah, which would make it far from canon.

 

[Paul4JC]

Judah doesn’t quote the book of Enoch, he quotes Enoch.

It doesn’t say “as it is written”, or anything to specify that he is quoting any kind oF written material.

1 Enoch 1:9 Look, he comes with the myriads of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all humanity for all the wicked deeds that they have done, and the proud and hard words that wicked sinners
spoke against him.

Nickelsburg, George W.E.. 1 Enoch (pp. 20-21). Fortress Press.

 

[dqhall]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead they will be like the angels of heaven."

I cannot find this quote, which expressly states that people will not marry, in the 66 books of the bible.

So let's see if it's true. So far I've found this verse which speaks on the matter—
http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

1 Enoch 51:4 And in those days the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven.

—

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

God bless,

Psalm 114 also mentions hills skipping like rams. I thought skipping hills might happen in an earthquake. Israel has been shaken before as there is a fault zone from the Red Sea to Galilee. Tiberias and Safed were leveled in an earthquake. A hotel wall in Jericho was split open during an earthquake.

In the book of 2 Kings I read about angels appearing like men. There was one miracle where some prophets lost an axe head in the water. They prayed and it floated to the surface. This was a precursor to Jesus walking on the water.

God will prepare a new world. Jesus prophesied those worthy of eternal life will be spiritual. Copulation will come to an end.

The ancient Egyptians thought those who did good in this world will live after they die. They had errors in their moral code and did not achieve perfection. They tried offerings to the gods and memorizing false myths. They had some of the ten commandments in various versions of the Book of the Dead.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

It's more likely a book called Enoch had the quote added to it from holy scripture.

The Dead Sea Scrolls could settle a lot of dispute on the subject. The argument that Enoch was altered to include Christ's words may be refuted by preservation among the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Essenes who put them there were not Christians and would have no reason to alter it with Christian text. If we could compare commonly known versions of Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls, then we would know for certain if this argument had any merit.

In the aforementioned scripture, Christ scolded the Sadducees for not knowing scripture. Undoubtedly, Christians, in general, are still equally ignorant of this scripture and equally guilty. Christians don't know the scripture to which Christ referred.

 

[JSRG]

If he wasn't referencing written Enoch, are you implying he had an audio recording, or did he and Enoch have a chat over dinner?

Oral tradition was very much a thing, and both Jude and the "Book of Enoch" could have been simply drawing on that. There is also the possibility of an earlier written source that both made use of but is no longer available to us, much like "the book of the annals of the kings of Israel" and "the book of the annals of the kings of Judah", which are referred to repeatedly in the Book of Kings as being a more in-depth history of the kings, but are now lost.

 

[JM]

The Dead Sea Scrolls could settle a lot of dispute on the subject. The argument that Enoch was altered to include Christ's words may be refuted by preservation among the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Essenes who put them there were not Christians and would have no reason to alter it with Christian text. If we could compare commonly known versions of Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls, then we would know for certain if this argument had any merit.

In the aforementioned scripture, Christ scolded the Sadducees for not knowing scripture. Undoubtedly, Christians, in general, are still equally ignorant of this scripture and equally guilty. Christians don't know the scripture to which Christ referred.

Until the private owner or owners have it translated there is no proof the Dead Sea Aramaic copy matches 1 Enoch as we know it today.

"No trace of the Parables of Enoch has been discovered at Qumran, and it is widely considered today to be a composition of the later first century C.E. If a pre-Christian copy of the Parables were ever discovered, it would create a sensation" Michael Wise, A New Translation - The Dead Sea Scrolls, p. 279

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[JM]

An interesting rabbit hole if anyone is interested. The Freemasons have a degree based on 1 Enoch BEFORE the book was "discovered." I've read this work. It needs massive editing but was entertaining none the less.