Are Christians who go out without Masks doing what Jesus would do?

[Archivist]

I sure hope that's not the main explanation of the difference.

I think part of the problem is that WV had a low infection rate compared to many other states. Thus far we have had fewer than 2000 cases and 74 deaths in the whole state. If if would hit WV full force we could have major trouble. We have an older population and many have health issues like black lung.

 

[Archivist]

Maybe you should contact his pastor for potential church discipline ?

Tempting but no. He could be a member, but the shirt could have been a gift or he could have bought it at a yard sale. Besides I don’t know his name, and simply reporting a 50ish man with graying hair wouldn’t do much good. This is a very large church.

 

[redleghunter]

Tempting but no. He could be a member, but the shirt could have been a gift or he could have bought it at a yard sale. Besides I don’t know his name, and simply reporting a 50ish man with graying hair wouldn’t do much good. This is a very large church.

Have you considered some sort of camera for the end of your cane?

 

[Archivist]

Have you considered some sort of camera for the end of your cane?

I might look into that.

 

[mama2one]

infection specialist asked this wk if safe to go to Dr

he said if one person in closed Dr office room had virus:

scenario 1)
one person wearing mask...2 min 'til virus caught

scenario 2)
both wearing masks....4 min 'til virus caught


not too promising on the mask wearing!

 

[hedrick]

The last time I went I waited in my car until the doctor was ready. That exposes me only to the doctor and his staff. Unfortunately you can’t eliminate all risk, but going to a doctor is probably justified if you need treatment. For routine immunizations you can use a pharmacy. (We don’t want to replace Covid with a measles epidemic.)

 

[redleghunter]

infection specialist asked this wk if safe to go to Dr

he said if one person in closed Dr office room had virus:

scenario 1)
one person wearing mask...2 min 'til virus caught

scenario 2)
both wearing masks....4 min 'til virus caught


not too promising on the mask wearing!

Makes going to an oncology clinic that much more risky. But treatments must be done and some last hours of infusion.

But if the treatments are not done then the cancer gets you. The hospitals around where I live are requiring COVID tests for anyone with long appointments. The staff is often tested as well.

With over 40% of the deaths in the US due to long term nursing home facilities you would think by now that would be fixed. There is a nursing home near me which had zero COVID cases since the start of the pandemic. Last week they had several cases. The family members are not allowed in, Gov Abbott will not allow COVID positive patients to enter these facilities and they have been supplied well with PPE. So they only way this got in is the staff who are supposed to be tested often.

 

[AACJ]

Jesus would command the virus to End! Miraculously destroying it across the realm then would immediately commence with preaching a spontaneous sermon to the gathering crowd containing at least 3 brand new parables.

Believing for the swift containment/mitigation of COVID-19. Believe for it, Christians. God's people are the Salt and Light of the Earth. Encouraging all to think, act, and talk like it. This should include reconsidering the ruinous eschatological expectation of inevitable societal decline (moral/natural evils) prior to the 1 Thess. 4:17 event. There is a problem with expecting such decline and simultaneously expecting positive change, such as total victory over this virus. Where the Church fails there is inevitable darkness.

 

[Yarddog]

I was just at the grocery store. Probably 3/4s of the people I saw were not nearing masks. Most of those were making no effort to maintain six feet distance from others.

One man who was not wearing a mask got very close to me; I had to ask him to keep his distance. When he instead got even closer I had to point my cane towards him to keep him away. I couldn’t help but notice that he was wearing a shirt from a local fundamentalist church (I will not disclose the name of the church or the denomination).

Now, I know that wearing a church’s shirt doesn’t make one a Christian—not up to me to make that call—but assuming this guy was why wasn’t he obeying rules (signs at the store entrance say that masks are required). Why was he putting others at risk? Wearing a mask wouldn’t protect him, but it would prevent him from passing the virus on to others if he has it.

Is this what Jesus would want his followers to do? What would Jesus do?

Jesus would obey the local authorities.

 

[cappycappy]

I think Jesus would have worn a mask.

It's unchristian to insist on doing things "your way" without regard for the well being others.

 

[Bobber]

I was just at the grocery store. Probably 3/4s of the people I saw were not nearing masks. Most of those were making no effort to maintain six feet distance from others.

One man who was not wearing a mask got very close to me; I had to ask him to keep his distance. When he instead got even closer I had to point my cane towards him to keep him away. I couldn’t help but notice that he was wearing a shirt from a local fundamentalist church (I will not disclose the name of the church or the denomination).

Now, I know that wearing a church’s shirt doesn’t make one a Christian—not up to me to make that call—but assuming this guy was why wasn’t he obeying rules (signs at the store entrance say that masks are required)

Ah first you say 3/4s of people weren't wearing a mask in a store which says they're required? Then why is the staff letting them in the store? If the store is serious about that they've got to follow through with actions that they are. I think stores have got to make up their mind.

And you said a member from a fundamentalist church didn't respect keeping a distance from you? You might want to consider too as a possibility that mental health issues can be involved as well. Every church has individuals, dear ones who genuinely do have a simple mind....the Bible says to comfort such ones realizing that sometimes they don't know better about things. At least if you'll think this way you won't get perturbed. You just understand some people just aren't all there.

 

[Bobber]

I think Jesus would have worn a mask.

And yet you'd see Jesus lay hands on the lepers and pray for them.

 

[Bobber]

I do think that much of the flattening the curve stuff is behind us now, especially with the riots. I'm in NY and we have two weeks more of masks.

This is and issue I've been waiting to see people talk about. What does this mean now that thousands of people have been in many large cities protesting not social distancing? According to the belief doesn't that mean numbers will peak up once again? And if they don't, not really....what does this mean?

 

[grasping the after wind]

If they were breaking the rules or not depends on the state/business If the state nor the business has asked people to wear masks ( not suggested but actually asked with legal authority behind it and the businesss does not care either they are not breaking a single rule.

'The OP said there was a sign that said they were required to wear masks in the store. So there is no question that they were breaking the rules.

 

[Archivist]

Ah first you say 3/4s of people weren't wearing a mask in a store which says they're required? Then why is the staff letting them in the store? If the store is serious about that they've got to follow through with actions that they are. I think stores have got to make up their mind.

I agree that stores should enforce their rules but I don’t think this is unique to this location. I recall that Memorial Day weekend when the beaches opened on some of the southern states that news reports showed few people wearing masks even though they were supposed to do so.

And you said a member from a fundamentalist church didn't respect keeping a distance from you? You might want to consider too as a possibility that mental health issues can be involved as well. Every church has individuals, dear ones who genuinely do have a simple mind....the Bible says to comfort such ones realizing that sometimes they don't know better about things. At least if you'll think this way you won't get perturbed. You just understand some people just aren't all there.

If this person has mental issues shouldn’t someone be accompanying him? I had an uncle who died of Alzheimer's just as this virus was hitting, and he wouldn’t have been permitted out alone for more than the past year.

 

[Archivist]

This is and issue I've been waiting to see people talk about. What does this mean now that thousands of people have been in many large cities protesting not social distancing? According to the belief doesn't that mean numbers will peak up once again? And if they don't, not really....what does this mean?

Unfortunately I suspect that we are going to see an increase in the number of cases.

 

[Bobber]

If this person has mental issues shouldn’t someone be accompanying him? I had an uncle who died of Alzheimer's just as this virus was hitting, and he wouldn’t have been permitted out alone for more than the past year.

Understand though I'm not talking about people who have really serious mental issues. I'm talking about YES people who can even drive cars and function in society.....and yet in many ways you just kind of know they're not all mentally there. They're kind of immature and are what they Bible calls people who are somewhat simple minded.

When the guideline is 6 feet social distancing they'll slip on right by you at a two foot distance but in their way of thinking they genuinely don't believe they did anything wrong or selfish. There's a depth of understanding things that just isn't the same with all individuals. My point is no need to get mad at them....just know that's the way they're wired.

 

[Bobber]

The last time I went I waited in my car until the doctor was ready. That exposes me only to the doctor and his staff.

That sounds like an interesting way of keeping massive amounts of people in waiting rooms even after this virus thing mellows out.

 

[hedrick]

That sounds like an interesting way of keeping massive amounts of people in waiting rooms even after this virus thing mellows out.

I think there's a typo here somewhere.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

infection specialist asked this wk if safe to go to Dr

he said if one person in closed Dr office room had virus:

scenario 1)
one person wearing mask...2 min 'til virus caught

scenario 2)
both wearing masks....4 min 'til virus caught


not too promising on the mask wearing!

I was thinking the same thing. If masks eliminate 75% of aerosolized virus, then instead of catching it at the grocery store after twenty minutes of exposure, I'll catch it in an hour and twenty, or the next time I go.

Reminds me of a CDC article in their Morbidity/Mortality Report (great publication, by the way), where they suggested that chlorinating pool water reduced pathogenicity by 99.99%, but it wasn't enough. If one out of every ten-thousand pathogens is eliminated, and a person with an unwashed behind introduces a million of them, or a baby with soiled panties introduces billions of them, then what do we have?

I think part of the problem is that WV had a low infection rate compared to many other states.

You have a strange definition of "problem." I wish more states had that problem. The real question is why you want a state that has been successful at keeping infection rates low to learn to imitate states that have not. Do you hate your neighbors?