The REAL Harmony of Christ's Olivet Discourse

[Douggg]

I beg to differ, the Luke 21:34 verse is definitely NOT... about an 'any time' rapture idea.

Luke 21:34
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
KJV

What our Lord Jesus said there in red is "that day" is NOT to be a surprise for us, His Church.

No, you are twisting what it says. What it says is "so that.....day come upon you unawares".

It is not indicating that we will know the day.

 

[Davy]

No, you are twisting what it says. What it says is "so that.....day come upon you unawares".

It is not indicating that we will know the day.

The context is don't be overtaken by the cares of this life nor in a state of drunkenness, so that day comes upon you unaware. Pretty darn plain. It's the same message Paul gave in 1 Thess.5 for us to remain sober and watching, because that day is NOT to take us by surprise. This is not about knowing the day or hour, which your are using as an excuse. It's about watching the Signs Jesus gave leading up to His return, what Paul called "the times and the seasons". It's impossible to miss that message in the Scripture I showed. You are going against the Scripture, and that's all there is to it, just because you'd rather keep a doctrine of man, the "any moment" idea.

 

[Douggg]

The context is don't be overtaken by the cares of this life nor in a state of drunkenness, so that day comes upon you unaware. Pretty darn plain. It's the same message Paul gave in 1 Thess.5 for us to remain sober and watching, because that day is to take us by surprise. This is not about knowing the day or hour, which your are using as an excuse. It's about watching the Signs Jesus gave leading up to His return, what Paul called "the times and the seasons". It's impossible to miss that message in the Scripture I showed. You are going against the Scripture, and that's all there is to it, just because you'd rather keep a doctrine of man, the "any moment" idea.

Then specifically, what is the last sign that has to happen before the rapture takes place in your view?

 

[Davy]

Then specifically, what is the last sign that has to happen before the rapture takes place in your view?

The last major Sign He gave just Prior to His 2nd coming and gathering of the Church are the events of the coming Antichrist (pseudo-Messiah) in Jerusalem. Apostle Paul gave the same thing. Christ through His Apostle John did too in Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

The last major Sign He gave just Prior to His 2nd coming and gathering of the Church are the events of the coming Antichrist (pseudo-Messiah) in Jerusalem. Apostle Paul gave the same thing. Christ through His Apostle John did too in Revelation.

Specifically. which one of those events by the Antichrist is the last one that has to happen before the rapture can take place, in your view?

 

[Davy]

Specifically. which one of those events by the Antichrist is the last one that has to happen before the rapture can take place, in your view?

The killing of God's two witnesses in Jerusalem by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, and then after three and one half days, they arise (resurrected), ushering Christ's 2nd coming on the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11).

 

[Douggg]

The killing of God's two witnesses in Jerusalem by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, and then after three and one half days, they arise (resurrected), ushering Christ's 2nd coming on the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11).

The sounding of the 7th trumpet by the seventh angel announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is in Revelation 12:12 when Satan is cast down to earth having a time, times, half time left.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I show the correct placement of the 7th angel sounding on my chart....

 

[Davy]

The sounding of the 7th trumpet by the seventh angel announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is in Revelation 12:12 when Satan is cast down to earth having a time, times, half time left.
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You haven't even read what the Revelation 11 Scripture says happens with that 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe! What a shame! You just pitched a doctrine of men you follow which you got from them, and NOT from God's Word!

This maybe the very first... time you've even read this Scripture, if... you bother to even read it now:

Rev 11:14-18
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

Do you see that part in green? At that 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe, ALL... the kingdoms of THIS world become the kingdoms of The Father and The Son!

How... can Satan get control over the earth for the tribulation if GOD is ALREADY reigning at that 7th trumpet, as written therre???


16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
KJV

Those events are on the LAST DAY of this world, at Christ's 2nd coming! The Antichrist's reign will end at THAT point in time.

Men's doctrines have blinded you away from reading that Scripture as written.

 

[Douggg]

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

Do you see that part in green? At that 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe, ALL... the kingdoms of THIS world become the kingdoms of The Father and The Son!

It is not a woe. And it is not said to be a woe in the text.

 

[Douggg]

How... can Satan get control over the earth for the tribulation if GOD is ALREADY reigning at that 7th trumpet, as written therre???


16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.

You are misunderstanding the verse. After the two witnesses ascend to heaven. God puts His plan into action to de-power Satan and begins destroying Satan's kingdom, figuratively called Babylon the Great.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[Davy]

The Greek for the word "woe" in Revelation 11 is ouai which in Greek means... a WOE! (Strong's no. 3759).

 

[Davy]

You are misunderstanding the verse. After the two witnesses ascend to heaven. God puts His plan into action to de-power Satan and begins destroying his kingdom, figuratively called Babylon the Great.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Welcome to my IGNORE list!

The games you like to play with God's Word appear to be endless. You aren't even addressing the proper Scripture (i.e., Rev.11), nor even properly addressing that above in the proper context!

Rev.10 is a parenthetical chapter. It serves as a type detail. That "seventh angel" is... the 7th trumpet of Rev.11. And that verse directly parallels the events at the end of Rev.11 that I just showed you!

 

[Douggg]

The Greek for the word "woe" in Revelation 11 is ouai which in Greek means... a WOE! (Strong's no. 3759).

The part you had in green is not a woe.

Look at my chart. I show the 7th angel sounding and reference Revelation 11:15. And Satan being cast down to earth, which his coming down in great anger is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.