Which baptism is the "one baptism" of Christianity?

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Christ instructed his Apostles to go into the world, make converts, AND BAPTIZE THEM.

This means that Christian Baptism is not the "baptism with the Holy Spirit" that is thought to follow for some believers, that it cannot be something that just comes over the candidate in some impersonal way, or that it is optional.

And we have Jesus' himself telling us that!
 
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Neither type of baptism "saved" us. There is a lot more to salvation than having some ceremony performed over us. Baptism with water makes us children of God, just as birth makes us children of our human parents - which is why it is done close to birth. Baptism in the Holy Spirit strengthens us in the faith and prepares us to live as adult Christians, which is why it is done in young adulthood.
 
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Ephesians 4:4-6 reads

There is one body and one Spirit---just as you were called to one hope when you were called---one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And in Luke 3:16 John the baptizer says,
"I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

I think most non-Catholics would agree that water baptism doesn't save a person and that it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that saves one, which spiritual baptism every believer receives when he or she is born again (having been buried with Him in baptism and raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead. Colossians 2:12) .

What then is the purpose of water baptism? For Jews it was a symbolic ritual representing a desire for a good conscience toward God and repentance from sins. Jesus' disciples and the early Christians practiced the same ritual. Yet we have no instructions in the NT for how to water baptize or any command to perform or partake in the ritual.

Some believe that Christ sent the apostles to baptize people with water as a part of their evangelistic commission. But if there is only one baptism that saves, why would He? The two are obviously not one and the same.

The apostle Paul water baptized a few people, but he said that Christ did not send him to baptize but rather to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:13-17), through which those who hear and believe are baptized by the Spirit.

Why would the man who was arguably the greatest apostle not have been sent by Christ to water baptize if water baptism was an important or necessary part of Christianity, and if Jesus had indeed sent His other apostles to water baptize?

I am one Christian who believes that water baptism is an obsolete Jewish ritual that was carried over into Christianity for a time in the early days of the faith for its symbolic spiritual significance but which God didn't intend for Christians to continue and which is not necessary or important to administer or to partake in.
The "Christ did not send me to baptize..." objection to Christian baptism is perhaps one of the more popular objections out there today.

The objection can be formally phrased thus:

"If Paul had been sent to baptize, then baptism would be part of the gospel message. Paul stated Christ did not send him to baptize, therefore baptism cannot be part of the gospel message."

The objection is in fact a common logical fallacy - called "denying the antecedent." It's construct is this:
"If A is true, the B is true."
"A is false, therefore B is false."
Or,
"If Christ had sent Paul to baptize..."
"then baptism would be part of the gospel message."
"Per I Cor 1:17, Paul was not sent to baptize so..."

What makes this a logical fallacy? Consider the following:
"If Ted is a Texan, then Ted is also an American."
"Ted however is not a Texan, therefore Ted is not an American."
Obviously, such logic is false (e.g Ted could be from Oklahoma, or some other state).

Next, one only need look at the CONTEXT of I Cor 1:10ff to see that Paul was addressing UNITY in the Corinthian church:
"For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" (I Cor 1:11ff)
Paul actually appeals to the Corinthian's IDENTITY to deal with their quarrels amongst them - their identity on the basis of their BAPTISM (v. 11).

Finally, Paul readily admits he DID BAPTIZE.
This begs the question, if Christ didn't send him to baptize, but he did baptize, was he being disobedient to Christ in so doing? No, of course not.

The simple answer is that Paul was concerned some of them would (in disunity) identify with him on the basis of his having baptized them. In fact, it's probable that's exactly what had happened.
 
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I mean, if you think about it:

We receive forgiveness of sins after… repenting and being baptized (Acts 2:38)
We receive the gift of the Holy Spirit… after being baptized (Acts 2:38)
We’re “added” after being baptized (Acts 2:41)
We’re “judged faithful” after being baptized (Acts 16:15)
We’re “in Christ Jesus” having been baptized (Rom 6:3)
We’re thus baptized into His Death, having been crucified with Him (Rom 6:3, Gal 2:20)
We’ve been buried with Him in baptism (Rom 6:4)
We’ll be raised from the dead, as Christ was, because of our baptism (Rom 6:4)
We have “clothed ourselves with Christ” in baptism (Gal 3:27)
We’ve been buried with him in baptism (Col 2:12)

Crucified with Christ, buried with Him, to be one day raised with Him, having been judged faithful, having clothed ourselves with Him… all in Christian baptism... would it therefore not be proper to say of Christian baptism that it IS the gospel?

...and as Albion and others rightfully noted - Christ DID command us to submit to it - pretty much His last words to us in fact. (Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:16)
 
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Concerning the "baptism of the Holy Spirit" - here is one thought - and I just throw it out for consideration.

Might not that phrase reference the two (and only two by my recollection) instances where the Holy Spirit was poured out on people? First on the Jews in Acts 2 (in the upper room) and the second on the Gentiles in Acts 10 (Cornelius' house)?

Consider the similarities:
The Jews were told to remain in Jerusalem and wait for that which had been "promised by God." - Acts 2
Cornelius was told to send for, and await Peter's arrival. - Acts 10

The Holy Spirit was poured out on the assembled Jews (Acts 2) and on the assembled Gentiles (Acts 10) - in remarkably similar fashion.

The Holy Spirit gave the assembled Jews utterance to speak in tongues (Acts 2) - as He did the Gentiles (Acts 10).

The "pouring out" of the Holy Spirit was a sign (Joel 2:28-32) given to Jews. (Acts 2)
The "pouring out" of the Holy Spirit was a sign (Joel 2:28-32) given to Gentiles. (Acts 10)
See also Acts 11:15f - Peter's explanation of the above to the leaders in Jerusalem - "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’"

Peter explains what's happening then proceeds to preach the gospel to the Jews (Acts 2)
Peter, once he realizes what's happening, proceeds to preach the gospel to the assembled Gentiles (Acts 10)

Peter's sermon so convicted the assembled Jews they asked, "Brethren, what must we do?" (Acts 2)
Peter, realizing what happened to these Gentiles was what happened to them in Acts 2 convinces those present what needs to be done (Acts 10)

Peter commands those [Jews] assembled to "repent and be baptized" (Acts 2)
Peter commands those [Gentiles] assembled to "be baptized" (Acts 10)

...and consider how the brethren in the church in Jerusalem responded to Peter's explanation:
God granted to the Jews the gift of repentance that leads to life (Acts 2)
God granted to the Gentiles the gift of repentance that leads to life (Acts 10)
"Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.” (Acts 11:17ff)

...just something to think about.
 
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The emphasis seems to be on the 'one baptism" in Eph 4:5 . But that Scripture also states "one Lord." We know there is God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

There's a doctrine of baptismS,..." (Heb 6:2) Baptism means to immerse.

There are 3 baptisms:

1 - By The Holy Spirit into Jesus is the baptism for salvation
(Rev 1:5; Matt 26:28; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luk 3:3; 1 Cor 12:13: Acts 2:38: Gal 3:27, +++)
Also, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Eph 1:13

Water and Spirit baptism follows - not in a set order:
2 - By another believer (water baptism) (Matt 28:19, Matt 3:16 Philip with the eunuch "...when they were come up out of the water..." Acts 8:39. Also, why water baptism ? There are numerous reasons including Jesus was baptized. Also, He said to baptize other believers. Not popular today - but it means to surrender to what God has instructed us to do. It's having the fear of the Lord - doing what He said. Sometimes it means setting aside what we think.
3 - By Jesus with or into The Holy Spirit (The Spirit baptism) Already have the Holy Spirit but this baptism endures with power (Acts 1:9, Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16; Acts 11:16++++)'

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." I John 5:7-8
 
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Because Jesus commanded it. Part of following Jesus is to obey His commands.
Yep
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Ac 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
 
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Ephesians 4:4-6 reads

There is one body and one Spirit---just as you were called to one hope when you were called---one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And in Luke 3:16 John the baptizer says,
"I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

I think most non-Catholics would agree that water baptism doesn't save a person and that it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that saves one, which spiritual baptism every believer receives when he or she is born again (having been buried with Him in baptism and raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead. Colossians 2:12) .

What then is the purpose of water baptism? For Jews it was a symbolic ritual representing a desire for a good conscience toward God and repentance from sins. Jesus' disciples and the early Christians practiced the same ritual. Yet we have no instructions in the NT for how to water baptize or any command to perform or partake in the ritual.

Some believe that Christ sent the apostles to baptize people with water as a part of their evangelistic commission. But if there is only one baptism that saves, why would He? The two are obviously not one and the same.

The apostle Paul water baptized a few people, but he said that Christ did not send him to baptize but rather to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:13-17), through which those who hear and believe are baptized by the Spirit.

Why would the man who was arguably the greatest apostle not have been sent by Christ to water baptize if water baptism was an important or necessary part of Christianity, and if Jesus had indeed sent His other apostles to water baptize?

I am one Christian who believes that water baptism is an obsolete Jewish ritual that was carried over into Christianity for a time in the early days of the faith for its symbolic spiritual significance but which God didn't intend for Christians to continue and which is not necessary or important to administer or to partake in.
We are not abstract disembodied souls floating around. We value baptism because we are flesh and freshly actions have meaning, for example a wedding ceremony doesn't marry or doesn't create love but it is still an important part of the start of marriage.
 
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Neither type of baptism "saved" us.
That seems to be almost universally agreed to by posters here on CF.

There is a lot more to salvation than having some ceremony performed over us.
No one disagrees with that.

Baptism in the Holy Spirit strengthens us in the faith and prepares us to live as adult Christians, which is why it is done in young adulthood.
Do you mean to say that somebody, some person in church, administers the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" similar to the way sacramental Baptism is administered? If so, would you please explain how that is done, what the process or ceremony is?
 
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Yep
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Not a matter of Peter obeying Christ's command.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Also, not a matter of these people obeying a command. This outpouring was not produced by any of these people administering it.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Same here.

Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Ac 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
But now...this is speaking of a response to a command.
 
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There is one body and one Spirit---just as you were called to one hope when you were called---one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And in Luke 3:16 John the baptizer says,
"I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."
There are 3 baptisms.
The baptism of water is John's baptism of repentance.
The new birth is the baptism into Christ.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the baptism of fire.

The one baptism of Ephesians is the new birth.
Historically water baptism was the first thing done to demonstrate repentance instead of the sinner's prayer which DL Moody came up with in the 19th century.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the baptism for ministry. Jesus told his disciples after his resurrection, who he had already breathed into them the Holy Spirit for the new birth, to wait until the power came from on high before they were to minister.
 
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\I think most non-Catholics would agree that water baptism doesn't save a person and that it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that saves one, which spiritual baptism every believer receives when he or she is born again (having been buried with Him in baptism and raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead. Colossians 2:12) .

Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, and Lutherans all believe that Baptism saves.
 
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There are 3 baptisms.
The baptism of water is John's baptism of repentance.
The new birth is the baptism into Christ.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the baptism of fire.
But these "baptisms" are not comparable. Nor are the so-called baptism of fire and the baptism of desire.

All the ones that come later in life than sacramental Baptism are spoken of as "baptisms" only in the sense of an analogy. That doesn't mean that they aren't real, but they are not equal to or similar to sacramental Baptism which is commanded, unlike the others.

Historically water baptism was the first thing done to demonstrate repentance instead of the sinner's prayer which DL Moody came up with in the 19th century.
"Historically," meaning since the first century--not since "DLMoody came up with" something in the 19th century--Baptism has been done for the remission of sins, for the infusion of Grace, and to become a member of Christ's church.
 
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Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, and Lutherans all believe that Baptism saves.
Not exactly. When people debate the matter, what they invariably are claiming with that wording is that we supposedly believe that if a person is baptized he's therefore home free, saved, and there is nothing that can alter that status.
 
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Not exactly. When people debate the matter, what they invariably are claiming with that wording is that we supposedly believe that if a person is baptized he's therefore home free, saved, and there is nothing that can alter that status.

Yeah, I forget how we're misunderstood. They proclaim OSAS and then complain that we believe that baptism saves :p
 
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Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, and Lutherans all believe that Baptism saves.

Surely you don't really believe that -- not in the sense that someone who later denies Christ is still saved?
 
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Surely you don't really believe that -- not in the sense that someone who later denies Christ is still saved?

You can always walk away, we certainly do not teach OSAS type of theology. But we have been baptised into the death of Christ so that we may walk in the newness of life.
 
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But we have been baptised into the death of Christ so that we may walk in the newness of life.

So are you saying that baptism saves you conditionally (conditional on not walking away from Christ)?
 
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Paul is not communicating directly with us, but is communicating directly to Christians (mostly gentile) in Ephesus, so how would they have understood Paul's words? Where they all water baptized? Did they have the indwelling portion of the Holy Spirit? Did they all have the laying on of the apostles hands to receive a miraculous portion of the Holy Spirit?
There are lots of "baptisms", but which "one" is the one all those in Ephesus had?
 
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