Judge Not: False Doctrine

[Beanieboy]

First of all, All men sin so we are all hypocrites. The point of these verses is to be careful about how we look at, talk about and treat others, and that judging others is a slap in the face to God. Discernment and admonishing other believers out of love isn’t judgement in the way the word is defined by our culture. Treating verses talking about rampant sin like the guy having sex with his mom in Corinthians as an excuse to judge others and be “pro-judging” is a swing and a miss for all Christians

May I ask a follow up question?

Why does Jesus say: Judge not, lest you be judged...

It is quickly explained that Christians are to judge, just judge rightly, in love, etc.
(In my personal experience, the Christians most adamant about judging others do it to condemn others and exalt themselves.)

Why didn't Christ say, "Be careful of how you judge" or "Before passing judgement, first judge yourself"

Instead, he says, "judge not or you will be judged."

It seems to convey that we should allow God to judge, only judge if it edifies, and beyond that, focus on our own lives, rathrr than gossiping about our neighbor.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

May I ask a follow up question?

Why does Jesus say: Judge not, lest you be judged...

It is quickly explained that Christians are to judge, just judge rightly, in love, etc.
(In my personal experience, the Christians most adamant about judging others do it to condemn others and exalt themselves.)

Why didn't Christ say, "Be careful of how you judge" or "Before passing judgement, first judge yourself"

Instead, he says, "judge not or you will be judged."

It seems to convey that we should allow God to judge, only judge if it edifies, and beyond that, focus on our own lives, rathrr than gossiping about our neighbor.

THANK YOU YES

 

[Religiot]

(CLV) Mt 7:1
"Do not judge, lest you may be judged,

So many read that verse and stop short; to say that we should exercise judgement, concerning the wicked. That we should just turn a blind eye to wickedness and go off into a day dream singing, "la la la - la la." "I have no responsibility to see the world for what it is." "There is no wrong; there is no right in my eyes. It's all on the Father's hands"

The very next verse:

(CLV) Mt 7:2
for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you.

YHWH calls us to righteous judgement. This falls in line with what is mentioned just a few verses later:


(CLV) Mt 7:12
All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets.

Yahshua doesn't contradict himself.

(CLV) Jn 7:24
Be not judging by the countenance, but be judging just judging."

Again he tells us to judge justly.


(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

It's actually a sin not to judge, for the Lord commands us to judge righteously, and the Spirit tells us, that a spiritual man judges all things; so to judge we must, and to do it righteously is the requirement.

Godspeed.

 

[HARK!]

It's actually a sin not to judge, for the Lord commands us to judge righteously, and the Spirit tells us, that a spiritual man judges all things; so to judge we must, and to do it righteously is the requirement.

Godspeed.

That's the way I see it. Those without righteous judgement are reckless.

How do we exercise discernment in absence of judgement?

How do we set ourselves apart in absence of judgement?

 

[Beanieboy]

It's actually a sin not to judge, for the Lord commands us to judge righteously, and the Spirit tells us, that a spiritual man judges all things; so to judge we must, and to do it righteously is the requirement.

Godspeed.

Then why does Christ not just say "Judge righteously" instead of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? The passage point out the pointlessness of focusing on minor sins of others (dust) when when has major sins (log) that they don't address.

When Christ said to Simon, "You have judged rightly," Simon judged himself as showing less love for Christ than the woman he judged for her reputation, and judged Christ for allowing her to approach.

So, now we must ask ourselves, what is the log in our eye that would poke out the eye of our neighbor in trying to remove a speck?

It's really, really easy to judge without love, to tear someone down, to feel superior, or to draw focus away from our own imperfections, or judge others harshly, then believe God will forgive us easily, which biblically is untrue.

I think it is lower human nature to judge people superficially. In high school, you got a reputation from being a harlot, a nerdy brain, a stupid jock, but I find it worse to be equally superficial in one's judgement, but then hide behind the bible when called out.

 

[HARK!]

Then why does Christ not just say "Judge righteously" instead of "Judge not lest ye be judged"?

He does. I posted this verse in the OP:

(CLV) Jn 7:24
Be not judging by the countenance, but be judging just judging."

 

[Religiot]

Then why does Christ not just say "Judge righteously" instead of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? The passage point out the pointlessness of focusing on minor sins of others (dust) when when has major sins (log) that they don't address.

When Christ said to Simon, "You have judged rightly," Simon judged himself as showing less love for Christ than the woman he judged for her reputation, and judged Christ for allowing her to approach.

So, now we must ask ourselves, what is the log in our eye that would poke out the eye of our neighbor in trying to remove a speck?

It's really, really easy to judge without love, to tear someone down, to feel superior, or to draw focus away from our own imperfections, or judge others harshly, then believe God will forgive us easily, which biblically is untrue.

I think it is lower human nature to judge people superficially. In high school, you got a reputation from being a harlot, a nerdy brain, a stupid jock, but I find it worse to be equally superficial in one's judgement, but then hide behind the bible when called out.

It is easy to misunderstand scripture when parsed without regard for context.

The Lord commands that hypocrites judge not:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." --Matthew 7:1-5

The Jewish leaders were notorious for their hypocrisy in all things, especially when judging:

"Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, and knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; and art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written." --Romans 2:17-24

Wherefore, they must all repent, and become spiritual, so that they may righteously judge all things:

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." --1 Corinthians 2:12-15

Brother, remember, the saints are not just required to judge all things, but we will also judge the world with Christ:

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" --1 Corinthians 6:1-5

Christians must judge each other, for edification, but we are not to judge the world, for that would be pointless, they are already condemned, and would not benefit from righteous judgment--unless they first repent at the preaching of the gospel, righteous judgment would be wasted on them:

"I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." --1 Corinthians 5:9-13

I hope this helps.

Godspeed.