Judge Not: False Doctrine

[Mr. M]

Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

We need to know the Torah (law) before we can judge whether or not we are keeping the Torah.

1 John 3:9. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
John 3:7. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must all be born from above.'
We need to know the Law to be born from above? Does that follow?
He was instructing an expert on the Law, and Nicodemus had no idea what Yeshua was saying.
John 3:10. Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?
Romans 2:27. And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
Romans 14:
10 Now why are you judging your brother? Or why are you also scorning your brother?
For all of us shall be presented at the dais of God,
11 for it is written: Living am I, the Lord is saying, For to Me shall bow every knee,
And every tongue shall be acclaiming God!"
12 Consequently, then, each of us shall be giving account concerning himself to God."
13 By no means, then, should we still be judging one another, but rather decide this,
not to place a stumbling block for a brother, or a snare."
Luke 24:49. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.
Mark 10:15. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.
Acts 2:38. Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 3: All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act."
instruction in righteousness=towrah, from yarah-to teach.
Study to show yourself approved.
The scriptures tell us what the Father expects. The Holy Spirit empowers to succeed.
That is "under Grace".
How are you and the Beatitudes? This is not Law. Not commandments.
This is evidence that the Holy Spirit is at work in you,
meeting the righteous requirements of God's Word.
If you say "you must know Torah", you must also say "you must be born from above".
To know the Lord, who is the Spirit of Truth, of Life. That is the FULL Gospel.
No way do you need to know 613 laws to judge righteous judgment.
You need a conscience without offense to the Father, and a "hearing heart" toward the Holy Spirit.
Love your neighbor and the Holy Spirit trumps 613 laws every time. At least in my Bible.

 

[HARK!]

1 John 3:9. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

John 3:7. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must all be born from above.'
We need to know the Law to be born from above? Does that follow?

If you are following Yahshua; you are following the law.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.


What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

Romans 2:27. And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?

Look at that. Even this who have not yet fulfilled the law; are judging according to the letter of the law. Thanks for bringing this one to my attention. Very interesting.

2 Timothy 3: All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

Did you realize that when this was written, that basically (it hasn't been canonized yet) the TaNaK was all scripture?

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

Love your neighbor and the Holy Spirit trumps 613 laws every time. At least in my Bible.

If your Bible says it trumps Yahshua; burn it.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

 

[UVSATURATED2020]

How do you reconcile that philosophy with this scripture?

(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

The law lives within us through the Holy Spirit. Those who understand not to judge one another understand that in doing so we are also judging the angels who are in the earth amongst us. Therefore if an angel is amongst us and doing the will of God, who are we to judge what they are doing even if we cannot tell a physical angel from a mortal human? I have met an angel before without a doubt, so these servants are definitely here. We do not judge for the sound principle that all sins are forgiven through faith and not works, there is not other standard, lest you be confused.

 

[Mr. M]

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

And by what means did you stop sinning, by learning the law, or receiving the Spirit?
Galatians 3:2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
V.3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 5:16. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Yeah, we know, when you sin you break the law. Got it. How do you not sin?
By knowing the Law, or knowing the Lord?
ATQ. At what point are you born from above?
After you have read the Tanakh, after you have memorized the Tanakh,
or is it after receiving the Spirit:
Acts 2:38. Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Did you realize that when this was written, that basically (it hasn't been canonized yet) the TaNaK was all scripture?

Could you please be a little more condescending?

I have read the JPS Tanakh. I owned the JPS commentary of the Pentateuch 25 years ago.
What a waste of time it would have been to read all that if I had not been born from above 50 years ago.

If you are following Yahshua; you are following the law.

If you are a follower of Yeshua, you follow the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:16. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
2 Corinthians 3:17. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Free at last! Free at last!
Galatians 4:25. for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
In bondage to what? To sin?
Acts 15:10. Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
When are you born again? Have we determined that yet?

 

[Mr. M]

No way do you need to know 613 laws to judge righteous judgment.
You need a conscience without offense to the Father, and a "hearing heart" toward the Holy Spirit.
Love your neighbor and the Holy Spirit trumps 613 laws every time. At least in my Bible.

So I say this, and you reply:
If your Bible says it trumps Yahshua; burn it.
Your failure to present anything that suggests comprehension questions whether you have even been born from above. Can having the mind of Christ really be this illogical?

 

[HARK!]

The law lives within us through the Holy Spirit.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Those who understand not to judge one another understand that in doing so we are also judging the angels who are in the earth amongst us

We are to judge the messengers.

That's what this verse means.

(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

Therefore if an angel is amongst us and doing the will of God, who are we to judge what they are doing even if we cannot tell a physical angel from a mortal human?

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are o of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

We do not judge for the sound principle that all sins are forgiven through faith and not works, there is not other standard, lest you be confused.

(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

 

[Mr. M]

We are to judge the messengers.

That's what this verse means.

(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are o of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

There are many false teachers and prophets, for there are multitudes
who desire and prefer their message. Their judgment is just.
How are we to rightly judge the message?
2 Timothy 3:16, 17. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,[towrah],
that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Study to show yourself approved. 2 Timothy 2:
14 Remind them of these things, charging before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit,
to the ruin of the hearers.
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
17 And their message will spread like cancer.

 

[HARK!]

(CLV) 1Co 5:9
I write to you in the epistle not to be commingling with paramours.

(CLV) 1Co 5:10
And undoubtedly it is not as to the paramours of this world, or the greedy and extortionate, or idolaters, else, consequently, you ought to come out of the world.

(CLV) 1Co 5:11
Yet now I write to you not to be commingling with anyone named a brother, if he should be a paramour, or greedy, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. With such a one you are not even to be eating.

(CLV) 1Co 5:12
For what is it to me to be judging those outside? You are not judging those within!

(CLV) 1Co 5:13
Now those outside, God is judging. Expel the wicked one from among yourselves.

(CLV) 1Co 6:1
Dare any of you, having business with another, be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints?

(CLV) 1Co 6:2
Or are you not aware that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world is being judged by you, are you unworthy of the least tribunals?

(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

 

[Sam81]

So, have you stopped sinning of any kind, or are you not a Real Christian (TM)

I don't live in blatant sin. I don't knowingly break the Commandments. Not anymore I don't. I am a real Christian (TM).

 

[Zao is life]

(CLV) Mt 7:1
"Do not judge, lest you may be judged,

So many read that verse and stop short; to say that we should exercise judgement, concerning the wicked. That we should just turn a blind eye to wickedness and go off into a day dream singing, "la la la - la la." "I have no responsibility to see the world for what it is." "There is no wrong; there is no right in my eyes. It's all on the Father's hands"

The very next verse:

(CLV) Mt 7:2
for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you.

YHWH calls us to righteous judgement. This falls in line with what is mentioned just a few verses later:


(CLV) Mt 7:12
All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets.

Yahshua doesn't contradict himself.

(CLV) Jn 7:24
Be not judging by the countenance, but be judging just judging."

Again he tells us to judge justly.

(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

In Luke's record we have the Lord mentioning the word mercy immediately before the word judgment:

Luke 6:36 Therefore be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.

This brings another statement to mind that the Lord made to the Pharisees:

Matthew 12:7 But if you had known what this is, ""I desire mercy and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned those who are not guilty.

The context of the Lord's statement above was the Pharisees judging Christ as being a law-breaker for saying nothing to stop His disciples from breaking the heads of grain in the grain fields on the sabbath:

Matthew 12:1-8 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the sabbath day. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw, they said to Him, Behold, your disciples do that which it is not lawful to do on the sabbath day. But He said to them, Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him, how he entered into the house of God and ate the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the Law that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath and are blameless?

But I say to you that One greater than the temple is in this place. But if you had known what this is, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice," you would not have condemned those who are not guilty. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath.

So it would appear to me that the judgment the Lord was referring to when He said, "Judge not, that you be not judged" was not the judgment exercised when we judge between what is morally right and wrong, but judgment that comes from legalism.

 

[HARK!]

So it would appear to me that the judgment the Lord was referring to when He said, "Judge not, that you be not judged" was not the judgment exorcised when we judge between what is morally right and wrong, but judgment that comes from legalism.

We are called to just judgement.

just
/jəst/
adjective

1. based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair:



Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

If your morality isn't defined by YHWH's righteous law, the measure that Yahshua lived by, the example Yahshua calls us to follow; then by what?

 

[Zao is life]

We are called to just judgement.

just
/jəst/
adjective

1. based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair:



Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

If your morality isn't defined by YHWH's righteous law, the measure that Yahshua lived by, the example Yahshua calls us to follow; then by what?

What are you saying? Are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

 

[HARK!]

What are you saying? Are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

This is what Yahshua says:

John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

 

[Zao is life]

This is what Yahshua says:

John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

So where in my post does it not say what you said above?

 

[HARK!]

So where in my post does it not say what you said above?

By definition, what is morally right is legalism. They're not in opposition to each other.

 

[Zao is life]

Where?

I quoted Jesus in His response to the Pharisees who judged Him for breaking the sabbath. He was referring to the fact that their legalism caused them to judge Him and His disciples, wrongfully. Judging the innocent. I also mentioned the fact that in Luke's record of the Lord's statements in your OP, He had just spoken of mercy when He said, "Do not judge". Was Jesus right or wrong in His assessment of the Pharisees legalistic judgment of Him and His disciples?

 

[HARK!]

I quoted Jesus in His response to the Pharisees who judged Him for breaking the sabbath. He was referring to the fact that their legalism caused them to judge Him and His disciples, wrongfully.

You offered an unsupported opinion, not fact. The Talmud isn't YHWH, law; therefore any judgement that comes out of it, being purported as legalistic, is highly questionable.

 

[Zao is life]

You offered an unsupported opinion, not fact. The Talmud isn't YHWH, law; therefore any judgement that comes out of it, being purported as legalistic, is highly questionable.

So if I fail to observe the sabbath it's OK?

 

[Zao is life]

You offered an unsupported opinion, not fact. The Talmud isn't YHWH, law; therefore any judgement that comes out of it, being purported as legalistic, is highly questionable.

I only quoted Jesus and the fact that He judged the Pharisees legalistic judgment of Him and His apostles for failing to observe sabbath. I never offered any opinion.

So was Jesus wrong?

 

[HARK!]

So if I fail to observe the sabbath it's OK?

Exodus 31
12 YAHWEH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YAHWEH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’