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Yes, so why haven't you noticed that until the fullness of the Gentiles is fulfilled, they are not going to say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" and until they say that, they will see Him no more.

How can Christianity be the fulfillment of the religious system they follow a.k.a Judaism when Christianity is the fulfillment of the faith Abraham and his seed followed?
Not true many Hebrews and people who follow Judaism are coming to the revelation that Yeshua (Jesus) is The Messiah.
 
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The words you chose is "will fulfill", which is future tense. Yes I agree, God will fulfill His promises - but not until they say, "Blessed is He (Yahoshua) who comes in the name of YHVH" - and the fullness of the Gentiles will come in before that happens.
I totally agree with your statement. That is why Christianity (Jesus) is the fulfillment of Judaism.
 
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When God's hand is involved in saving Israel from its enemies and ushering in the millennium and bringing people back into the land, believe me, you will completely stop having God in your little box. Right now you have God in the little boxes of Rabbis and secular powerful Jews called Zionists.

The only box He is in is the one YOU put Him in. God saving ISRAEL. Who is ISRAEL in your scenario? You are limiting God...
 
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Not true many Hebrews and people who follow Judaism are coming to the revelation that Yeshua (Jesus) is The Messiah.
Aha! And God bless them. Pity all the religious leaders, and leaders of state aren't doing the same. Pity those who have come to Jesus are still a handful, and it's the same remnant. What does Paul say of those coming to Christ? He states that they are grafted back into (their) Olive tree again - meaning that all those who remain outside, are following a false religion not followed by Abraham and his seed (a religion which is also known as Judaism).

How can that religion be the one fulfilled by Christianity when the Jews who come to faith in Messiah have to come out from under it? Judaism teaches Mosaic Law only and no Jesus fulfilling Mosaic Law or dying for sins and rising again. How can that denial result in Christianity when Jews who come to believe in Jesus have to come out of it?
 
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Fulfillment...or continuation???
Well I think Judaism is about two covenants one of Moses and one of Abraham. Which are both fulfilled in Jesus. Am I wrong? Ok I see my error you are correct.
 
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The only box He is in is the one YOU put Him in. God saving ISRAEL. Who is ISRAEL in your scenario? You are limiting God...
God is saving Israel when a Jew turns to Christ. Israel = those who belong to Christ, His elect. Some are Jews, some are Gentiles. Thank God He isn't in YOUR box!
 
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God is saving Israel when a Jew turns to Christ. Israel = those who belong to Christ, His elect. Some are Jews, some are Gentiles. Thank God He isn't in YOUR box!

I don't HAVE a box. You do...
 
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Your talking about the covenant of Moses which Jesus fulfilled (or rather at second coming will), He also fulfilled the covenant of Abraham.
I am referring to the Millennium - at which time God will fulfill his covenant w/Israel. Zionism perverts God's will by prematurely establishing the nation of Israel in this church age.
 
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I have no box, and God's box is infinitely bigger than your little box you have Him in. In fact God has no box.

YOU have placed Him in a box. You all say He used The pagan Romans in 70 AD but He did NOT use the UN or Zionism to create Israel. Do you control God?
 
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I totally agree with your statement. That is why Christianity (Jesus) is the fulfillment of Judaism.
How can that be when Judaism is what keeps all the genetic seed of Abraham away from God and the blessings promised by God, with the exception of the remnant who are becoming true Jews?
 
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I am referring to the Millennium - at which time God will fulfill his covenant w/Israel. Zionism perverts God's will by prematurely establishing the nation of Israel in this church age.
My question is how do you know God's will is not being fulfilled?
 
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Good; so you agree that Zionism perverts God's will.

No, you proved my point by saying He used the pagan Romans in 70 AD but He did NOT use the UN or Zionism to create Israel. Do you control God?
 
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YOU have placed Him in a box. You all say He used The pagan Romans in 70 AD but He did NOT use the UN or Zionism to create Israel. Do you control God?
You're getting upset about the fact that you cannot control God, I see. God works when He works and "when" He works is not until the religious leaders and leaders of state say of Jesus, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of YHVH".

There are thousands of Orthodox Rabbis in New York and some in Israel who don't even agree with you on your little box you have placed God in.
 
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How can that be when Judaism is what keeps all the genetic seed of Abraham away from God and the blessings promised by God, with the exception of the remnant who are becoming true Jews?
Jeremiah 31:33-34
 
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My question is how do you know God's will is not being fulfilled?
With regard to Israel created by the U.N in 1948, the same way I know that Satan has not been bound and will only be bound by Christ when He has returned and defeated that beast which is going to war against the state we now call Israel and attack Jerusalem (Zechariah chapters 12-14 and Revelation 19:11-20:1-10).
 
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I don't have a box I take Him at His word.
Sorry that post was not meant for you. Even if you do have a box God is in, I can see by talking to you that it's a whole lot bigger than the box the other poster I meant to reply to has Him in.
 
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You're getting upset about the fact that you cannot control God, I see. God works when He work and "when" He works is not until the religious leaders and leaders of state say of Jesus, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of YHVH".

There are thousands of Orthodox Rabbis in New York and some in Israel who don't even agree with you on your little box you have placed God in.

You have lost the arguement so you just parrot what I say? What are you in 3rd grade? There are thousands of Jews who DO believe in Yeshua. So what if there are 1000s of rabbis in NY that do not agree with me and 10,000s of other rabbis. Some of your rabbis believe Schneerson was Messiah. How does that prove your point LOL?
 
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