THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't think you are quite getting what I'm saying. I'm saying you can't just take a verse in isolation, because it is most likely not going to mean what you think it does. I was using the word "death" as an example.

Indeed your building strawman arguments no one is talking about. What scriptures have I taken in isolation and what do you think my application is to those verses?
The scriptures do not teach anywhere we can be saved in known unrepentant sin. Those who practice sin according to the scriptures are the children of the devil and do not know God and do not enter God's kingdom *HEBREWS 10:26-31; 1 JOHN 3:6-10

 

[martymonster]

Indeed your building strawman arguments no one is talking about.

Um, all you've done is build strawman arguments, throughout this entire post of yours. Asserting what universalists believe. Things I've heard no one who believes in the salvation of all, say.

But anyway, yes, the understanding of the word death, has everything to do with what we are talking about. Second death? What do you think that is!

 

[FineLinen]

Not really, the bible teaches not all mankind will accept Gods' free gift. Sad really. No second chances come judgement time.

The Lord does not operate as a giant Heavenly lottery of chance, not 1st, 2nd, 3rd. This is NOT Vegas!

His perfect Plan: zero chance!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Um, all you've done is build strawman arguments, throughout this entire post of yours. Asserting what universalists believe. Things I've heard no one who believes in the salvation of all, say.

But anyway, yes, the understanding of the word death, has everything to do with what we are talking about. Second death? What do you think that is!

I see. So I have asked you question to help me to understand your claims and you say I am building a strawman now? ... Ok maybe I missed it. Where did I build a strawman in our conversation about sin and death?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Lord does not operate as a giant Heavenly lottery of chance, not 1st, 2nd, 3rd. This is NOT Vegas!

His perfect Plan: zero chance!

Indeed dear friend, there is no lottery. We can choose to believe and follow God's Word or choose not to. The choice is ours. While God has made all provision he never forces anyone to do his will as he is a God of love but beware he is also a God of justice to those who reject his Grace and break his commandments.

 

[martymonster]

I see. So I have asked you question to help me to understand your claims and you say I am building a strawman now? ... Ok maybe I missed it. Where did I build a strawman in our conversation about sin and death?

I didn't say you built a strawman about sin and death. I said you built strawmen about universalists.

What I said about death is, if you are going to take a verse that uses the word death, you better know what death actually means.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I didn't say you built a strawman about sin and death. I said you built strawmen about universalists.

What I said about death is, if you are going to take a verse that uses the word death, you better know what death actually means.

Is that clear enough for you?

Ok so you were building the strawman then when we were talking about death. I built no strawman about universalists. I simply shared the scriptures that disagree with this teaching. What is it you disagree with?

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed dear friend, there is no lottery. We can choose to believe and follow God's Word or choose not to. The choice is ours. While God has made all provision he never forces anyone to do his will.

Rule #1 = there is NO chance.

Rule # 2 = when in doubt consult rule # 1.

The foundation for discipleship =

"You did NOT choose Me, I chose..."

 

[martymonster]

Ok so you were building the strawman then when we were talking about death. I built no strawman about universalists. I simply shared the scriptures that disagree with this teaching. What is it you disagree with?

OK, you're too obtuse for me ....I'm out!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Rule #1 = there is NO chance.

Rule # 2 = when in doubt consult rule # 1.

The foundation for discipleship =

"You did NOT choose Me, I chose..."

Indeed we are the problem not God as shown to you through the scriptures earlier. Did you forget already? I can post them again if you want. Just let me know

 

[FineLinen]

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

Justification

“Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency. In the brilliant glory of His ultimate the most somber and gloomy features of earth’s history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power and wisdom and love.

During the final eons every creature in the heavens and on the earth and under the earth will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father’s love revealed in them, and every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Thus will all ultimately be justified.” -Donald G. Hayter

Adam1 = "polus made sinners: Last Adam = “polus made righteous”.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

OK, you're too obtuse for me ....I'm out!

Sorry I am not sure what your claiming. What are you talking about?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

Justification

“Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency. In the brilliant glory of His ultimate the most somber and gloomy features of earth’s history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power and wisdom and love.

During the final eons every creature in the heavens and on the earth and under the earth will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father’s love revealed in them, and every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Thus will all ultimately be justified.” -Donald G. Hayter

Adam1 = "polus made sinners: Last Adam = “polus made righteous”.

Ok the cut and pastes are coming did you want me to re-post the scritures shared with you earlier? Be back soon, kids going wild my side...

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed we are the problem not God as shown to you through the scriptures earlier. Did you forget already? I can post them again if you want. Just let me know

 

[FineLinen]

Ok the cut and pastes are coming did you want me to re-post the scritures shared with you earlier? Be back soon kids...

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. "

Questions =

1. What is the scope of all/ pas?

2. Is "whole" complete or partial?

3. What is the Father's "cherished purpose"?

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

I didn't say you built a strawman about sin and death. I said you built strawmen about universalists.

What I said about death is, if you are going to take a verse that uses the word death, you better know what death actually means.

Is that clear enough for you?

How do you interpret Luke 16:19-31, specifically Luke 16:26?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

meme

So I posted earlier...

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Indeed we are the problem not God as shown to you through the scriptures earlier. Did you forget already? I can post them again if you want. Just let me know

What is it you do not understand?

 

[HARK!]

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. "

(CLV) Hb 10:28
Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
(CLV) Hb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. "

Indeed he chooses all of us to be saved and is not willing that anyone should perish. For all those accept his gift of salvation, what a wonderful Saviour but for those who do not what a terrible nightmare when they all find out all too late what they lost.

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed he chooses all of us to be saved not willing that anyone should perish. For all those who choose him what a wonderful Saviour but for those who do not what a nightmare.

You can stop at God is NOT willing that ANY should perish.

No choice involved, no lottery, no Vegas.

God "willeth" all mankind to be saved. Willeth = thelo.

Whose willeth prevails, the creature or the Creator?