Dorothy Mae
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Ah, so the aspect of humbling yourself is not considered?We ask because it’s not deserved.
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Ah, so the aspect of humbling yourself is not considered?We ask because it’s not deserved.
You didn’t have a questionAnswer my question first.
We ask out of humility. We God opens our eyes to our depraved state, it humbles us.Ah, so the aspect of humbling yourself is not considered?
I did but you had answered it in the meantime, thanks.You didn’t have a question
Not according to the Bible. It says, “humble YOURSELF and he will lift you up.” God does not open us to our depraved state. He shows us our sin. Thevery words you use show a reluctance towards humility.We ask out of humility. We God opens our eyes to our depraved state, it humbles us.
You say that, though, as if it’s earned. God could have just as easily not have given grace to the humble. That He chooses to do so is grace upon grace.Ok, you answered.
There is more than one reason God grants us something of himself.
What we can earn or merit from God is praise or punishment?
Nevertheless there are matters imparted to us that we do not earn/merit but do have conditions. Salvation, forgiveness and grace are theee of these. It is false to say we don’t merit these as though there are no conditions. It would be better to say
God gives grace to the humble, not connecting grace with merit at all.
Humility should be the natural result of seeing the face of God.Not according to the Bible. It says, “humble YOURSELF and he will lift you up.” God does not open us to our depraved state. He shows us our sin. Thevery words you use show a reluctance towards humility.
No I did not. There is more than earned or unearned. No one earns a spouse or friend. Yet there is some part we play in receiving and having a spouse or friend. That relationship is not earned or merited but it is not therefore free of our part.You say that, though, as if it’s earned. God could have just as easily not have given grace to the humble. That He chooses to do so is grace upon grace.
Who has seen the face of God? How useful is that?Humility should be the natural result of seeing the face of God.
It’s still meritorious, regardless of how you spin it.No I did not. There is more than earned or unearned. No one earns a spouse or friend. Yet there is some part we play in receiving and having a spouse or friend. That relationship is not earned or merited but it is not therefore free of our part.
Didn’t mean to get too spiritual. When God regenerates us, and He is revealed to us, it should humble us.Who has seen the face of God? How useful is that?
You refuse to acknowledge conditions and that there is more than merit or no merit when it comes to God granting.It’s still meritorious, regardless of how you spin it.
If that were the case, we’d all agree all having seen the same “face” or be regenerated by the same hand.Didn’t mean to get too spiritual. When God regenerates us, and He is revealed to us, it should humble us.
There are no conditions.You refuse to acknowledge conditions and that there is more than merit or no merit when it comes to God granting.
What exactly did He say?If that were the case, we’d all agree all having seen the same “face” or be regenerated by the same hand.
The Bible insists we, not He, must humble ourselves. He doesn’t reveal himself to any but those who fulfill the conditions. If a man waits for God to simply reveal himself with nothing done on the part of the man, that will never happen.
Jesus actually said those who keep his teaching will experience God dwelling in them....conditions. That experience is neither merited nor unmerited.
God does not withhold grace. People refuse grace. Christians can fall from grace. God is good by nature, unlike the human race. God does not change. He changes the way He does things, but He does not change.If God withholds grace for any reason you can think of, is He still good? And could you think of any way that God could withhold grace and not be good?
Changing hearts is an act of grace. He doesn’t change everyone’s heart.God does not withhold grace. People refuse grace. Christians can fall from grace. God is good by nature, unlike the human race. God does not change. He changes the way He does things, but He does not change.
The Apostle Peter wrote that God knows how to keep the unrighteous under judgement (2 Peter 2:9-10).If God withholds grace for any reason you can think of, is He still good? And could you think of any way that God could withhold grace and not be good?
It appears that you quoted James 4:10.Not according to the Bible. It says, “humble YOURSELF and he will lift you up.” God does not open us to our depraved state. He shows us our sin. Thevery words you use show a reluctance towards humility.
If I am gracious to you but total ungracious to your neighbor, I am not a gracious person.What you are saying isn’t what God does, though. If He is gracious to some and not others, that doesn’t make Him ungracious. Why? He’s not obligated to be gracious to anyone. He has, however, promised to be gracious to His elect. So if He’s not gracious to even one, then He’s gone against His own promise.