Why do Many Christians Ignore YHWH's Moedim?

[Hammster]

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

And again

He said the law would be fulfilled before heaven and earth passed away. He fulfilled the law before heaven and earth passed away.

 

[HARK!]

But if we have entered His rest, then we should rest because He’s done the work.

Why would you believe that we have entered his rest?

 

[solid_core]

Please pay attention. I'm getting a lot of responses.

Yes, you are getting a lot of responses and all say the same thing. That you got it all wrong and you are messing things up.

 

[Hammster]

Why would you believe that we have entered his rest?

I am in Him. He is in me. He has rested. I am rested.


Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
— Romans 7:1-4


But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
— Ephesians 2:4-7


Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
— 2 Corinthians 5:17

 

[HARK!]

Again, there has been no levitical priesthood from the 1st century. God (through Romans) destroyed both temple and Jerusalem and sacrificies, priesthood and temple ended.

They live. They will practice again; but at this time those laws are suspended; not done away with. The High Priesthood has been transferred, not done away with.

 

[solid_core]

They live. They will practice again; but at this time those laws are suspended; not done away with.

This is neither Christianity nor the New Testament, though. Just your opinions.

The New testament says that we have better covenant now. Therefore there is no need to return to the old one, the worse one.

 

[Strong in Him]

Until this evening I thought that the Spring Moedim had been completely fulfilled (not the fall Moedim). In the process of studying for this thread; I read a verse that I have read countless times before. I hadn't looked at that verse closely enough before.

(CLV) Lk 22:14
And when the hour came, He leans back at table, and the twelve apostles with Him.

(CLV) Lk 22:15
And He said to them, "With yearning I yearn to be eating this passover with you before My suffering.

(CLV) Lk 22:16
For I am saying to you that under no circumstances may I be eating of it till it may be fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

Jesus is King. Wherever he reigns, there the Kingdom of God is.
Christ is also the Passover Lamb 1 Corinthians 5:7, the bread of life, John 6:35 and the true vine, John 15:1. Like the lambs of the first Passover, his blood has saved us from eternal death. He fulfilled this feast when he died for us.

 

[klutedavid]

PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

Why would a Gentile celebrate the feast of unleavened bread?

The Gentiles never escaped from Egypt.

 

[Strong in Him]

PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

1. Who were those words addressed to? Hebrews; those who had been slaves in Egypt and rescued by the Lord.
2. The Jews have no temple now. Even they can't go to the temple to keep their own feasts - so how do you suggest we do?

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

 

[HARK!]

I need to get some sleep. You all wore me out. I get back to this later. Goodnight all.

SHABBAT SHALOM!

 

[Samaritan Woman]

Ger Toshav (sojourner) weren't required to keep the Moedim. In fact a ger toshav (sojourner) could not keep Passover unless he was circumcised.

This is what James was referring to in Acts 15:

(CLV) Ec 1:9
What occurred once, it shall occur again, And what was done, it shall be done again. There is nothing at all new under the sun.

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.


Ecclesiastes 1, along with the entire book, has absolutely nothing to do with the prescription of maintaining the feasts. Rather, it is a work by Solomon striving to come to terms with the vanity of life (or as he sees it) which results in him accepting that fearing God and maintaining His commandments are the means to finding purpose and fulfillment. Solomon is essentially soul-searching and not acting as some prophet prescribing the Law. You have completely “cherry picked” this verse and taken it completely out of context to meet your agenda and preconceived idea

As with Ecclesiastes 1:9 you have also cherry picked Acts 15:19 but only this time you committed an atrocity of hermeneutics by lifting a verse not just out of context but one that is mid-sentence to fit your agenda. If you bothered to read the ENTIRE passage from verses 1-29 it would become clear that the issue is encouraging the Gentile Christians to not disturb Jewish believers (which is also addressed in 1 Corinthians 8).

By the way, by freely throwing around Hebrew words based on the assumption that Christians should be expected to know them makes you come across as elitist. I enjoy referencing the Strong's concordance and Lexicons but heaven forbid I don't understand the words you use. I guess I'm just less spiritual than you.

 

[Samaritan Woman]

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[HatGuy]

Is that all you can come up with?

Paul presents at least 8 different categories, in his letter to the Romans, alone.

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)

I gather then the "why" of the OP is merely rhetorical...

I could come up with a lot more than that, but not sure if it's going to be fruitful yet tbh. Jury is out on that.

There's no reason to assume these eight "categories" are categories at all in Paul's mind. Why would a "different law" in Rom 7 be a "category" of Law? You are looking for technicalities where there is none. The argument in Romans 7 is not to create four different categories but to give examples of how the Law (one Law) works.

Paul in Romans 8 shows that a Law of Life, "the Law of the Spirit of Life" is bigger than the Law - the Law that brings sin and condemns to death.

The Law of Righteousness in chapter 9 is a discussion on how Israel pursued the Law as a way to righteousness.

Romans 3 is the most exciting of all, showing how the Law of Faith now swallows up the old Law of condemnation.

The reason why the Law remains in effect for ever is because the Law "always accuses" and God's morality has not changed. But the use of the Law was never to reach righteousness but to expose unrighteousness, whereas faith in Jesus leads to righteousness. That is Paul's argument. All these categories are ways of explaining the same thing and are not "categories" at all.

Yahshua was obedient to his father's instruction. He told us to follow him in his example.

Jesus is a Messiah to be believed and trusted in, not an example to emulate. He is the fulfilment of Israel's story and mission, undoing what Adam did and recapitulating Israel's story - this time into success. No one can emulate Him, his mission was unique and once-for-all and His job done. Now, we walk in His Spirit and that leads us to righteousness.

I'm happy with my gospel of freedom and righteousness in Christ Jesus, the one who died for me and was raised for me. He was born under the law (Gal 4:4) and then died, being set free from it (as Romans 7 argues); in Him I live and through baptism have died to the Law and to Sin and to Death and to the Devil and have been raised with Him into new life, free from the Law but now in the Spirit. That's good news and I'll take that thanks very much and not go back to trying to attain a righteousness under the law, for then Christ died for nothing.

 

[chilehed]

Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Shavuot, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles.

Most Christians are goy, and only Jews were obligated to observe those.

Also, those all pointed towards Christ, who has come and fulfilled them, and who gave his Church authority to modify such things in the new covenant. Passover is fulfilled in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur are observed in Lent, Shavuot is seen in Pentecost, etc.

 

[Josheb]

1.) YHWH said his Moedim are to be observed forever
2.) Yahshua kept YHWH's Moedim
3.) Yahshua's hand picked Apostles kept YHWH's Moedim, even after his ascension.
4.) The Early ecclesia kept YHWH's Moedim for hundreds of years.
5.) Orthodox Churches keep YHWH's Moedim to this day
6.) YHWH's Moedim will be kept in the Kingdom to come.


So why do many Christians ignore YHWH's Moedim?

Fail. We do. We simply do it daily because Christ is the fulfillment of moedim. Every single one of those festivals was a foreshadowing of Christ.

 

[Dkh587]

Thanks. And where are the commands to continue keeping them?

Where are the commands that say to stop keeping God’s holy days?

 

[Hammster]

Where are the commands that say to stop keeping God’s holy days?

I addressed that in other posts.

 

[Dkh587]

I addressed that in other posts.

I didn’t see any commands in your posts that tell God’s children to stop keeping His holy days.

 

[Hammster]

I didn’t see any commands in your posts that tell God’s children to stop keeping His holy days.

The book of Hebrews. It pretty much explains how Christ is better than all that the Jews held dear. So if He’s better, then He is our focus, not the types and shadows of Him.

 

[Randy777]

1.) YHWH said his Moedim are to be observed forever
2.) Yahshua kept YHWH's Moedim
3.) Yahshua's hand picked Apostles kept YHWH's Moedim, even after his ascension.
4.) The Early ecclesia kept YHWH's Moedim for hundreds of years.
5.) Orthodox Churches keep YHWH's Moedim to this day
6.) YHWH's Moedim will be kept in the Kingdom to come.


So why do many Christians ignore YHWH's Moedim?

Jesus is our Passover lamb and why would we recognize a day of atonement in light of Christ's atonement? The curtain was torn in two at Jesus's last breath. We have access into the presence of God by the blood of Christ.

I think the worshipers God seeks are those who worship in spirit and in truth.

Anything Jesus wants to institute in the coming age those who love Him will state, "I'm in". Until then the importance is in faith expressing itself through love not in works of the law.

I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I don't follow 1st century Jewish customs. I follow Jesus. I know Him and He knows me. If He had a problem with me He would have told me.