FreeGrace....Anthony2019 said: ↑
My view is that once a person becomes saved, they must continue to live their lives faithfully in obedience to Christ. Our salvation is secure only if we continue to trust in Jesus and abide in Him.
And Scripture doesn't agree with either of you.
Yes, a great question. But the answer is NOT about "how to stay saved". Jesus took care of that when He died for ALL of your sins.
It is very important to live a life that is pleasing to God. That's the ONLY WAY He will bless you on earth, and reward you in heaven. And Scripture DOES agree with that.
The error is presuming such a believer is "in the same condition as an unsaved person". Such a presumption has to ignore all that Scripture teaches about HOW DIFFERENT a believer becomes when they believe.
1. They are born again. Regenerated. Titus 3:5
2. They are given the indwelling Holy Spirit. Eph 1:13
3. They are a new creation. 2 Cor 5:17
4. They are forgiven. Acts 10:43
5. They are justified. Rom 5:1
6. They are given eternal life. John 10:28
Now, those who STILL want to argue that salvation can be lost, and the "former believer" CAN revert back to the "same condition" as before they believed, then they MUST address each of the 6 points above and PROVE FROM SCRIPTURE that these things can be reverted, revoked, removed, lost, forfeited, etc.
If that cannot be done, then just accept the facts of Scripture.
Do you not understand that believers have been justified, forgiven regenerated? Therefore, cleansed. The sin nature stays with their physical bodies, which are in the grave. To be resurrected as a NEW body, which is still clean. So you don't have to worry about any believer in heaven being unclean.
More propagated error. Eternal life MOST DEFINITELY IS conditional. It's conditioned on believing in Christ for salvation.
John 3:15,16
15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
John 6:47 - Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
1 John 5:11,13
11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
These verses refute OSNAS.
The key is "as Ive understood it". That's where the problem lies.
It's more unfortunate that when believers are shown Scripture that proves eternal security, they simply turn the other way.
If Scripture "is to be YOUR authority", as you seem to claim, then WHY don't you accept the clear teaching on eternal security?
They are all screwed up doctrinally. They have ignored the clear verses.
How about cutting down your posts a little?
It's impossible for me to take the time to keep up with you.
Comments on your above:
1. What exactly are we saved for? Heaven or a reward?
I know Paul also speaks of rewards,,,but is that what it's all about?
2. Does a "saved" person living a life exactly the same as a sinning unbeliever have eternal life?
If so, then exactly what is it that allows that person to be saved?
3. You want me to prove your 6 points? How do YOU explain
2 Peter 2:20-22 I've posted pages of verses which you dispel due to your belief that we are walking towards rewards and not heaven. This goes to question 1.
4. Please show how a "dirty body" will be resurrected as a new body as in Revelation 21:27 which CLEARLY states that nothing unclean is going to heaven. Paul speaks many times of what is UNCLEAN. I'm sure you've noticed it.
5. You said: More propagated error. Eternal life MOST DEFINITELY IS conditional. It's conditioned on believing in Christ for salvation.
Agreed ! We must BELIEVE in Christ to be saved.
6. Re 1 John 5: 11, 13
Agreed! THE LIFE IS IN THE SON.
No Son.......No Life.
7. I do accept clear teaching. OSAS is a lie and not accepted by either the early church....or mainline churches today. Except, of course, reformed churches.
BTW, I notice you never answer my verses but just throw out your own ideas.
This is a sign that you cannot answer my verses/posts. (as I do to yours since I know I'm in the right).
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