The hypocrisy of being "pro-life"

[GodLovesCats]

Incorrect. You were someone's choice. It could have gone either way according your logic.

So now you are saying I am not even made by God?

 

[redleghunter]

The pregnant woman decides if the human she is carrying has moral worth to her.

A human being determines the moral worth of another human being?

I’ve “seen this movie before.”

 

[GodLovesCats]

A human being determines the moral worth of another human being?

I’ve “seen this movie before.”

I clearly said the mom decides if her baby has moral worth to HER not the rest of the world.

 

[Athanasius377]

So now you are saying I am not even made by God?

Not at all. But you can’t be made by God and someone’s choice. See the problem? I think you get it now. Your worth is not determined by your mother rather it was already determined by God. It doesn’t matter what she nor I or anyone else assignems you or doesn’t assign you worth.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Not at all. But you can’t be made by God and someone’s choice. See the problem? I think you get it now.

No I don't.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The pregnant woman decides if the human she is carrying has moral worth to her.

So if you don't think someone has moral worth then they have no moral worth? Isn't there anything inherent in a person's moral worth? Or is it all subjective? If it is subjective then you are at the mercy of anyone more powerful than you. Perhaps they find no moral worth in you. Then you can be killed.

Christians believe that all humans have moral worth because they have been created by God, with an eternal soul. It is disordered to think that humans can depersonalize and devalue others at whim. It's a source of most of the world's troubles.

 

[chevyontheriver]

A human being determines the moral worth of another human being?

I’ve “seen this movie before.”

Exactly. And the movie is a horror movie.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I guess you can't understand I am making a distinction here.

 

[Athanasius377]

No I don't.

It sounds like you do. Consider: you just appealed to the way God made you that way as you put it then how can some degrade you as a mere choice? You can’t have it both ways. Even if you horribly deformed and ill you are still a child of God. Nobody has the right to take life from you or any innocent child of God. That’s why In the Christian religion there are hospitals like St Jude’s where the care of the terminally ill is handled with the same care as a healthy child. Even this Muslim gets this truth:

 

[coffee4u]

A fetus is not a neighbor to anyone. Where do you see them identified as such in the Gospels?

There are plenty of verses about life before birth. If God has already set apart, called and knew a person before birth, his view from before or after birth has not changed. He sees us for the person we are while still in the womb.
Jeremiah 1:5

5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Psalm 139:13-16

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.


Galatians 1:15
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,

Isaiah 49:1
Listen to me, O coastlands, and give attention, you peoples from afar. The Lord called me from the womb, from the body of my mother he named my name.

Psalm 22:9-10
Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts. On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.

Nonsense. Humans are just as much animals as nay other member of the animal kingdom and loved a lot more than any furry creature in this world.

Humans are made in the image of God, animals are not.
Genesis 1:26
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

 

[GodLovesCats]

I mean parents choose to have kids, but not their genetic codes. Only God could decide to give me brown eyes, red hair, etc. Only God could decide to make me a girl. Only God could choose my birthday. So the fact a zygote was conceived can be someone's choice, even though everything that makes it unique came from God.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Humans are animals. They belong to the animal kingdom. That is a biological fact.

Adam and Eve were made in God's image, but I never read anywhere a single verse in Genesis translates to include all humans who ever lived.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I clearly said the mom decides if her baby has moral worth to HER not the rest of the world.

I've seen this movie too.. it's called Schindlers list.

See, they had bunch of people called Nazis, who decided that this other bunch of people didn't have enough moral value to keep alive, so they decided to kill them.

Then there was this other guy (he was just one guy) his name was Oscar Schindler and although there was only one of him, he decided that the folks the Nazis were killing, had enough moral value that he was willing to risk his one and only life to save them from the Nazis that were killing them.

So from that we may deduce that moral value is in the eye of the beholder, it's subjective not objective so we can't really base law on it.

But if it were okay to just kill folks based upon an individual's assessment of their moral value we would have a much more thinly populated planet.

Thank God however, that God is whom determines the human beings moral value according to our Christian faith and not mankind. That's what sets Christianity apart from secular humanism and many other similar belief sets.

And the Christian God, many will one day find, hands over His sovereignty to no man. He will not give up His Throne, though many desire to usurp His authority and sit in that judgement seat.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I've seen this movie too.. it's called Schindlers list.

The Sophie Scholl movie too.

 

[coffee4u]

Humans are animals. They belong to the animal kingdom. That is a biological fact.

Adam and Eve were made in God's image, but I never read anywhere a single verse in Genesis translates to include all humans who ever lived.

Genesis 9:6
"Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

James 3:9
With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God;

1 Corinthians 15:39
Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.

Apart from easily found Bible verses read one of the hundreds of articles on this. All of mankind, not just Adam and Eve are made in God's image. That is mainstream church doctrine. Jesus didn't come to save the animals, he came to save mankind.

 

[GodLovesCats]

He came to save mankind because man sinned. No other living creature is able to know sin; only humans do.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Christians believe that all humans have moral worth because they have been created by God, with an eternal soul. It is disordered to think that humans can depersonalize and devalue others at whim. It's a source of most of the world's troubles.

It's amazing that more don't see that.
M-Bob

 

[coffee4u]

He came to save mankind because man sinned. No other living creature is able to know sin; only humans do.

Exactly-because we are not animals.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Exactly-because we are not animals.

We are obviously animals. The reason we know sin is humans ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Exactly-because we are not animals.

Well, we are. But we are human animals. And particularly created by God to be in His image. Every one of us. Which is way more than just being animals.