Attacks on Greta Thunberg Come from a Coordinated Network of Climate Change Deniers

[Cimorene]

Teen Vogue ran this article a couple of months ago but now that Greta Thunberg has been named Time's Person of the Year the climate change deniers have intensified their attacks. Donald Trump having pathetically trolled her of course generated even more attn. & more hatred towards her from his base many of whom say they're Christian.....
It's dismaying & confusion Christians who should be striving to protect God's creations are instead fighting against a teenager who is trying to do exactly that. That they are instead believing misinformation propagated by politicians & greedy billionaires invested in Big Oil.

Attacks on Greta Thunberg Come from a Coordinated Network of Climate Change Deniers

It’s perhaps unsurprising to find that many of the U.S. commentators verbally assaulting Greta also have ties to the Heartland Institute, given the organisation’s Big Oil funding and long-history of promoting climate science denial.

The institute’s website published a long blog post by one of its ‘policy experts’, Gregory Wrightstone, who attempted to refute many of Thunberg’s arguments for climate action. “It is time for her to go back to school to learn what she doesn’t know and to unlearn so much of what she has been taught,” he concluded.

Many other critics of Greta in the U.S. are tied to another of Heartland’s funders, the Koch family, owners of the U.S.’s largest private energy company.

Marc Morano, communications director of campaign group Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), and a regular speaker at Heartland Institute events, has a long history of spreading misinformation about climate change.

He was also one of the loudest critics of Greta’s visit to the U.S., appearing on Ezra Levant’s Rebel Media to describe the young activist as “bait” to entrap critics of climate policy. Levant was an intern at the Charles Koch Foundation and later worked for the Koch-funded Fraser Institute.

Morano’s arguments were echoed on CFACT’s website by Joe Bastardi, a meteorologist who worked for AccuWeather, a private forecasting company that in the 1990s was involved with the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) — a now-defunct fossil fuel industry front group that strongly opposed global greenhouse gas reduction policies.

CFACT has received significant donations from oil companies including Exxon and Chevron, as well as oil billionaire Richard Scaife.

One of Greta’s most prominent critics has been Steve Milloy, a self-styled “pioneer” fighting against “faulty scientific data used to advance special, and often hidden, agendas.” Milloy is, among other things, an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI).

CEI has raised millions of dollars in donations from the fossil fuel industry, including ExxonMobil, and the Koch family foundations.

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[Cimorene]

Another thing. I've noticed that many who deny the science on climate change also deny other established science. 97% of climate change scientists concur that man-made climate change is a detriment. The majority of scientists also know that the Earth is not 5,000 yrs old & dinosaurs and man did not walk alongside each other & that evolution is fact. The majority of scientists & doctors are also pro-vaccination and horrified by the lies of anti-vaxxers that have caused so much suffering. And the majority know the Earth is not flat. Yet I've seen some Christians (all online never IRL) who are anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, evolution deniers, and think the Earth is flat.

I know with my denomination is pro-science. I'm so glad for that!!!!!! Irl all the Christians I know also respect science.

 

[Cimorene]

As a FYI: Who is Gen Z? - Barna Group

 

[St. Helens]

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[Cimorene]

I think the apathy many ppl have towards the hellacious fires in Australia that are so incredibly devastating is bc they don't want to discuss that climate change is absolutely a major factor. Climate change denialism is evil.

Greta Thunberg who just turned 17 yesterday is right.

 

[dufrianord]

As a FYI: Who is Gen Z? - Barna Group

I’m from same country as Greta Thunberg but I can’t say I’m a fan even if I don’t think Greta is aware of the full agenda. I really don’t hate her, haven’t seen many who does to be honest. She have been depressed and stop go to school at 4th grade after watching the global warming in school and since she’s diagnosed with Aspergers did it become an obsession for her.
Her parents should not do what they’d doing, I don’t like that at all it’s sad to see how it can be possible here in Sweden.
It recently got revealed who writes Greta’s social media and it’s her dad, Svante: Facebook Glitch Reveals Greta Thunberg’s Father Posting As Teenage Climate Activist

I suspected he did post as her after watching this from COP24 last year.

I don’t think it’s healthy to talk about the end of the world in the way Greta does. In front of the global elite in this world. From WEF2019 (Davos, where she at now again)

So much more can be said but I leave it here. I do not hate her but I fear she’s being used. I’ll be praying for her!

 

[Zoii]

So much more can be said but I leave it here. I do not hate her but I fear she’s being used. I’ll be praying for her!

If she's being used, then it's with her consent and that of her parents. If she's being used as a spokesperson, that is fine, particularly when the views she holds to, are not the making of her personal views, but rather based on the consensus of climate scientists. When the world's scientists are desperately trying to tell us we should be alarmed - I find no issues with Greta repeating it.

 

[dufrianord]

If she's being used, then it's with her consent and that of her parents. If she's being used as a spokesperson, that is fine, particularly when the views she holds to, are not the making of her personal views, but rather based on the consensus of climate scientists. When the world's scientists are desperately trying to tell us we should be alarmed - I find no issues with Greta repeating it.

Well, I see your point.
I can’t help asking why she’s being used, what’s the purpose?
I think one reason is to avoid any criticism as it would be if her dad for example didn’t use her but spoke in his own name and age.
(I am not sure about this it’s just a feeling that’s something isn’t right about doing that)

About so called “Man Made Climate Change” caused by C02 - I’m not that convince I believe that’s all correct. (I don’t think Greta lies, she’s believes what’s she saying of course). I’m careful to follow such thing to close and I’ve find old articles from like 1989 saying exactly same thing as Greta says today back then - and nothing came true!
For example: Global Warming wasn’t correct - if you’ll look on the earth today it’s more like a global cooling.

I suppose it sends me to “climate denier labeling” and its here the kindness among her supporters use to end. I don’t call me a denier myself of course, but I’m full of question and open for what the answer may be.

 

[Zoii]

I can’t help asking why she’s being used, what’s the purpose?
I think one reason is to avoid any criticism as it would be if her dad for example didn’t use her but spoke in his own name and age

The reason why I, and many others, laud her stance, is because she's so young. The world's collective of climate scientists have been trying to warn us for three decades - few listened - particularly few in positions of power who are influenced by industries relying on fossil fuels.

But now we have someone from our generation, not impeded by the inconveniences of needing to be re-elected or belonging to an industry ... she has no vested interests except the existential crisis of our generation. She acknowledges it is our generation, and our children, which will face the impact of horrific changes to our environment.

I know many don't believe it - but those of us in Australia who have seen a third of our nation on fire, and another third which has not seen rain in four years - WE are not happy when people tell us - Oh everything is fine - Ignore those tens of thousands of scientists.

What really scares the hell out of me is the rising temperature in Antarctica. If it continues to rise at the current rate, the current in the Great Southern Ocean, that relies on an ocean temperature differential with our country, will switch off - That will effectively mean that it is unlikely to rain much at all - ever again in my country

About so called “Man Made Climate Change” caused by C02 - I’m not that convince I believe that’s all correct.

Do not believe anything I say - or anyone else here. ONLY believe those who have the qualifications and research background in climatology. They are the only ones who are qualified to advise.....and what do you think they are telling you?

 

[bekkilyn]

When we put reason into the argument, it is baffling that climate change deniers can somehow believe that humans can have used and seriously abused the environment in practically every possible way for years and expect that somehow there would not be ANY negative consequences for doing so. We don't even need scientists to tell us so and yet somehow it is the scientists who demonstrate real proof that must be "making things up."

I remember informing my parents at a very early age about the dangers of car pollution and how we all need to go back to using horses. Impractical to be sure and not so much a solution to the problem, but if I could see many of these environmental dangers at age 3 or 4 and get upset about them, then why is it that a much older Greta Thunberg couldn't be coming up with any of these things on her own vs. just being used as a mouthpiece automaton?

 

[dufrianord]

="Zoii, post: 74649177, member: 391745"]The reason why I, and many others, laud her stance, is because she's so young. The world's collective of climate scientists have been trying to warn us for three decades - few listened - particularly few in positions of power who are influenced by industries relying on fossil fuels.

But now we have someone from our generation, not impeded by the inconveniences of needing to be re-elected or belonging to an industry ... she has no vested interests except the existential crisis of our generation. She acknowledges it is our generation, and our children, which will face the impact of horrific changes to our environment.

First and what I consider as important, thank you for having a normal conversation in my ex school could almost fights over this, and a lot of screaming.
Greta is young, I know - that’s why I care about her as well. - she’s not all so young anymore not a child but 17 years old but still young.

Scientists warnings was not correct but they all they told us wrong!
From year 2000 and “snow was a thing of the past” down in your country and here in Europe also. Australia’s summer began - with snow! Snow falling. In Australia. In summer. That is all

We have it still up here too. Lots of it!

I know many don't believe it - but those of us in Australia who have seen a third of our nation on fire, and another third which has not seen rain in four years - WE are not happy when people tell us - Oh everything is fine - Ignore those tens of thousands of scientists.

I’m sorry I missed you was from Australia - I haven’t miss the wildfires that raging in your country. It really scares me also to be honest.
Is it caused by increased CO2? I doubt it because it seems to hot for being caused by humans and all this is why the rest of the world is in record cold and snow in Egypt and over 100 dead in Pakistan because the cold weather.
Source hot fires: Australia’s Wildfires is so hot they’re generating thunder and lightning

What really scares the hell out of me is the rising temperature in Antarctica. If it continues to rise at the current rate, the current in the Great Southern Ocean, that relies on an ocean temperature differential with our country, will switch off - That will effectively mean that it is unlikely to rain much at all - ever again in my country

Do not believe anything I say - or anyone else here. ONLY believe those who have the qualifications and research background in climatology. They are the only ones who are qualified to advise.....and what do you think they are telling you?

I understand I had stomach pain and stressed over this over basically same reasons, I don’t want anything bad happening to our planet.

I cannot blindly trust them because they been wrong so many times before and what they say is solution is a dystopian and what I think is communist society with no privacy or rights.
Call me paranoid maybe I am a little bit some times but UN only hires scientists who support the man made climate change-theory and it means more power to the U.N. and we’ll have to give up almost all our rights..

World Communist Government No privacy or rights. That’s a nightmare and not a future I want to give to my children I hope to have one day. I pray for guidance and try to stay as wake on the world as possible. Help people start to grow their own food and things like that.

 

[Zoii]

Scientists warnings was not correct but they all they told us wrong

I cannot blindly trust them because they been wrong so many times before

Let me bring you back to my previous point - Do not listen to anyone who isn't qualified in climate science or has extensive research in the field.

You have an opinion that they are wrong - Your opinion isn't worth anything and nor is mine - You and I don't have qualifications and expertise.

You show a newspaper article from eight years ago about snow in Australia in September - September is the end of our winter season so that's hardly surprising ... and look truly - You need to exercise better judgement here - You're basing such important matters, on the newspaper report from Australia, written by someone who has no expertise - VERSUS over 12000 scientists who have reached a consensus.

For the record - It's not global warming that's predicted - Its global extreme weather patterns - Rising Ocean warming - That's happened in Australia and the Great Barrier Reef is 70% bleached as a result. The glaciers in New Zealand has retracted.

Droughts - Australia has broken records year after year - these are one in a 100-year events - these are getting worse every year
Record land temperatures - We have broken heat temperatures every year for the last five years
Storm surges - Again we have broken records for the last five years


So please - Why are you listening to your father, your priest, a newspaper article, or anyone else you know? - These are people to respect but none of them has expertise. They are not qualified which is why you are fed unqualified anecdotes and then putting that up as evidence.

The scientific process entails hundreds of thousands of data points before even daring to offer a hypothesis.

n my ex school could almost fights over this, and a lot of screaming.

Try to understand their position as to why they are angry with you.

Let's say your mother has cancer. You get an opinion of 12000 cancer surgeons who recommend urgent treatment. But you are telling your friends that instead of listening to the surgeons who are the experts, you read a newspaper article that said things aren't so serious - so you have decided that you don't want your mother treated.

Your mother [earth] is showing very serious symptoms. The experts have given you advice and you are choosing to ignore those experts and take the advice of those who are leaving your mother [earth] to suffer.

Can you understand why they are upset? I beg of you stop listening to me, or your grandfather, your newspaper...unless the information comes from climate experts. It's even worse when you ignore, not only a second opinion but a consensus of over 12000 scientists.

 

[dufrianord]

Let me bring you back to my previous point - Do not listen to anyone who isn't qualified in climate science or has extensive research in the field.

You have an opinion that they are wrong - Your opinion isn't worth anything and nor is mine - You and I don't have qualifications and expertise.

Of course both your and mine opinions matters, and I’m at the end of the day who takes the decisions in my life and my highest priority is a safe environment to start a family.

You show a newspaper article from eight years ago about snow in Australia in September - September is the end of our winter season so that's hardly surprising ... and look truly - You need to exercise better judgement here - You're basing such important matters, on the newspaper report from Australia, written by someone who has no expertise - VERSUS over 12000 scientists who have reached a consensus.

For the record - It's not global warming that's predicted - Its global extreme weather patterns - Rising Ocean warming - That's happened in Australia and the Great Barrier Reef is 70% bleached as a result. The glaciers in New Zealand has retracted.

So please - Why are you listening to your father, your priest, a newspaper article, or anyone else you know? - These are people to respect but none of them has expertise. They are not qualified which is why you are fed unqualified anecdotes and then putting that up as evidence.

The scientific process entails hundreds of thousands of data points before even daring to offer a hypothesis.

My entire view is not only based on two old articles of course it’s to much to have in a blog post. It’s the future for my children I hope I’ll be blessed with one day that is at stake.
but thats is what the Scientists at the time said. A global warming of the earths climate. Snow was a thing of the past and the future children (thats us) wouldn’t know what snow even was.

Here’s oldest I have found, its from 1989!
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked

U.N. only hire they who supports their theory but it’s not the same as consensus.
How is IPCC reaching this ‘consensus’ year after year? It been audited once were crucial many errors.

Try to understand their position as to why they are angry with you.

Let's say your mother has cancer. You get an opinion of 12000 cancer surgeons who recommend urgent treatment. But you are telling your friends that instead of listening to the surgeons who are the experts, you read a newspaper article that said things aren't so serious - so you have decided that you don't want your mother treated.

Your mother [earth] is showing very serious symptoms. The experts have given you advice and you are choosing to ignore those experts and take the advice of those who are leaving your mother [earth] to suffer.

Can you understand why they are upset? I beg of you stop listening to me, or your grandfather, your newspaper...unless the information comes from climate experts. It's even worse when you ignore, not only a second opinion but a consensus of over 12000 scientists.

I can understand to a certain degree.

It’s when *they who use to be my friends now are so full of fear they’re calling me the most awful things because Greta read from a note, and seeing how they’re using her while the world cheering, ready to give up everything and follow her is where my limit of understanding ends.
*a few have, not all my friends but overall is not many in the climate change willing to talk much at all, they see it as they know all the answers already

She want this, or they who writes her speeches, to panic in fear. Not listen or think but they’re asking to blindly follow and don’t ask any questions.

They say we should avoid having children, are you ready to follow them on things like that too? (honest question)

End by saying, yes, I can understand your frustration and how it seems ignorant to have to old articles and by that reject what’s seen as the worlds global consensus of scientists. (It’s not what I’m doing) but you haven’t you haven’t called me names or anything. I really do appreciate that.

 

[Zoii]

Of course both your and mine opinions matters, and I’m at the end of the day who takes the decisions in my life and my highest priority is a safe environment to start a family.

You're viewpoint brings up an important issue. When I read your post I immediately thought of democracy - and how there are certain issues which should not be dependent on democratic decisions. You and I should not have the right to influence decisions when it comes to policies on managing climate change. There are some things which are simply an imperative - and must be acted on. It requires determined and fearless policy makers and unfortunately in democracies, politicians fear being re-elected, more than they do climate change.

Your view and mine, of whether climate science is real or not - is irrelavant. Its either true or its not, and neither of us has the qualkifications and expertise to make that decision.

But those with the re

Here’s oldest I have found, its from 1989!

 

[Zoii]

Of course both your and mine opinions matters, and I’m at the end of the day who takes the decisions in my life and my highest priority is a safe environment to start a family.

You're viewpoint brings up an important issue. When I read your post I immediately thought of democracy - and how there are certain issues which should not be dependent on democratic decisions. You and I should not have the right to influence decisions when it comes to policies on managing climate change. There are some things which are simply an imperative - and must be acted on. It requires determined and fearless policy makers and unfortunately in democracies, politicians fear being re-elected, more than they do climate change.

Your view and mine, of whether climate science is real or not - is irrelevant. Its either true or its not, and neither of us has the qualifications and expertise to make that decision.

But there are those with the requisite qualifications and research background. And they are pleading to us to listen

Here’s oldest I have found, its from 1989!

I don't care about your cherry-picked articles you may find, it doesn't compare to the absolute avalanche of research papers in this field.

No matter what problem you face in the world, always go to experts for advice. I'd argue the same thing whether we are talking about fixing your broken car, a medical condition, or repairing faulty electrical wiring.

We have a climate problem. The experts have spoken!!!

And think about this - If the experts are wrong - what's the worst outcome - clean energy, clear atmosphere, weather is unaffected, electric cars.....that's not so bad


But if they are right and we follow your advice to ignore scientific evidence.....then the world is heading for a mass extinction event - Its already begun.

 

[dufrianord]

You're viewpoint brings up an important issue. When I read your post I immediately thought of democracy - and how there are certain issues which should not be dependent on democratic decisions. You and I should not have the right to influence decisions when it comes to policies on managing climate change. There are some things which are simply an imperative - and must be acted on. It requires determined and fearless policy makers and unfortunately in democracies, politicians fear being re-elected, more than they do climate change.

Your view and mine, of whether climate science is real or not - is irrelevant. Its either true or its not, and neither of us has the qualifications and expertise to make that decision.

I dont think or trying have any influence in that debate but I want to want to know what it means and if there’s anything for me.
I won’t move to a “Smart Cities” build by Google with no privacy or anything I rather learn what I have to survive outside of that new order they currently building

I don't care about your cherry-picked articles you may find, it doesn't compare to the absolute avalanche of research papers in this field.

It was IPCC (UN) and what they said so long ago as 1989.
This avalanche of research papers have time and time again proven to be total bogus and what Greta Thunberg says is not anything new.

Of course that’s matter.
If someone who who’s in 40 years time said people was sick and demand to threat them and nothing was correct and he now says your morher is about to die and same over again, would you just hands down, I have no opinion and give all your trust?

No matter what problem you face in the world, always go to experts for advice. I'd argue the same thing whether we are talking about fixing your broken car, a medical condition, or repairing faulty electrical wiring.

We have a climate problem. The experts have spoken!!!

And think about this - If the experts are wrong - what's the worst outcome - clean energy, clear atmosphere, weather is unaffected, electric cars.....that's not so bad

I don’t go to experts for everything I turn to Jesus and is cautious whom give my full trust otherwise.

Here’s how World Economic Forum themselves describes it
Welcome to 2030 - I own nothing and have no privacy but life have never been better
There’s nothing there for me, I’ll be one of they “who live different kind of life’s outside of the cities but luckily are we not all same and what’s good for me might not be good for another.

Experts say we should avoid having children.

But if they are right and we follow your advice to ignore scientific evidence.....then the world is heading for a mass extinction event - Its already begun.

I can imagine they have ready to be chip (Revelation 13:16-18) to live there. I know UN have Nohaide Laws on the Agenda. I simply don’t have a choice.

Birthstrike is women in the UK who decided to give up their natural life’s for “Climate Change” and I feel for them, but it now a active decision I would made.

 

[St. Helens]

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[Zoii]

The upside of this virus is that the air is so much cleaner with so few cars in the cities. This virus may have the effect of drastically decreasing CO2 emissions.

 

[Here Kitty Kitty]

I find the climate change deniers and anti-vax people frightening. In some cases, you can tell they never had access to high-quality science education and can't help not understanding the situation, but some of their group were educated and should definitely know better. The doctor whose shoddy study first convinced people there were links between vaccines and autism, for example, he should have known better. I believe it's fine to hold a contrary opinion and refuse to be convinced until you've seen sound evidence, but many seem unwilling to look at any evidence at all unless it supports their position. A few months ago I was visiting my grandparents in the USA and I happened to mention an article in our school's newspaper regarding climate change. They were fine with it, but some friends of theirs immediately started yelling that climate change was a hoax and fake news. They really lost their temper literally shouting that it was all filthy lies in support of some evil conspiracy! The article was actually pretty balanced and addressed some of the problems with the way climate change has been presented, especially pointing to extremism of a small number. It seemed like something anybody could've read without losing their heads, but these friends of my grandparents acted like it was demonic. Their stubbornness made them seem really fragile and brittle but I decided not to mention the topic again because it was obvious nothing anyone said would open their minds even a little.

I'm personally not a big Greta Thunberg fan. I agree with a lot of the factual information she distributes, but disagree with some of her methods. The way she dresses down people who don't agree with her, for instance. The way she shouted down some American lawmakers, blaming them for the loss of her childhood, struck me as way over the top. No one responds to that kind of harassment. It backfired big time in terms of changing attitudes. Up until then she had an image of being logical and not emotional, but after many people saw her as having a meltdown or tantrum, so she lost credibility. I don't really blame her because what she'd doing must be very stressful, but that method won't work. I also see her as expecting more from people than many are capable of. Most people are not going to change everything about their lives overnight. Those who try will end up feeling burnt out or resentful, and many won't even try. Many people can gradually transition to practises like recycling, but they can't or won't do it themselves. The cities need to institute programmes and make sure recycling centres are widely available, and offer help and support for people who aren't sure what to do. If all you have to do is drop stuff in a bin and the rubbish collection picks it up, people will do it, but if you have to keep dozens of bins around and then drive your recycling all over the place, most will just quit. You can't simply tell people not to drive cars. Unfortunately, many people rely on government to make the decisions for them. If opportunities for more eco-friendly living are available and simple to do, people will switch, but if it costs a lot, is frustrating, or demands a great deal of effort, most won't bother.

 

[LovesOurLord]

Teen Vogue ran this article a couple of months ago

Unfortunate your presence here seems to have been in no small part to push leftist politics.

I started as a default liberal growing up, then veered to the radical left out of ignorance, and then righted myself in my early 30s when I had a greater understanding of politics, logic, and deceptive techniques in writings. I only pray you all get there and soon.