If we fear the anti-Christ fellow more than we want Zechariah 14 fulfilled are we....

[Arbown]

....somewhat guilty of idolatry?

Isn't fearing the anti-Messiah more than we want the coming of Messiah giving the guy too much credit?

I admit that I may be wrong and I admit that I flip flopped back and forth on this question for four decades so I do understand those of you who fear the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple due to that event in a sense being necessary before the anti-Christ can come but..........

.... isn't this world such a scary place for our children and grandchildren that isn't hastening the fulfillment of Zechariah 14
one of the only ways to make this earth safe for our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren??????


Do you think President Trump may be willing to build a Jerusalem Temple?

I hate to burst your bubble, but the people inhabiting the former land of Israel are not Israelites or their decedents. They are a satanic sham put out by the Cabal in hopes of deceiving Christians (IMO in set-up for The Anti-Christ). Rothschild owns 80% of Israel. Just as the pharisees were looking for the Messiah to come as an actual king to let them rule the world, and so missed Jesus, I fear too many christians are looking at this con-game as a literal truth and not seeing the deception in it. IMO, the pre-state-of-Israel christian interpretation of Revelation's talk about jews understood these verses to be talking about end-times Christians, since we are in covenant by way of Christ, the final sacrificial Lamb. Jews literally can't exist as they did in the old testament: It's impossible to practice the religion legitimately as you don't have the required yearly temple sacrifice, there are no jewish people who have not mixed with non-jews as they were told not to, culturally, many hold to the Talmud which isn't jewish, but Babylonian sorcery; Talmud directly contradicts Torah. This is because it isn't from Israel at all.

Irony though, God may allow their lies and rebellion to work as sign posts, but it won't be toward their salvation and repentance. That's reserved for those who will acknowledge Christ and humble themselves to obey His will.

 

[DennisTate]

The sign between G-d and his people that they are his is The Sabbath.... from Friday at Sunset to Saturday at Sunset and any group of people who will observe the true Jewish Sabbath will immediately be recognized as G-d's people by HaShem.

Here is some related relevant information:

Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?

Ezekiel's Temple, the Third Temple:

31°28'58"N 35°14'37"E

This place is located in the Judean Desert, about 30 km south of Jerusalem, between Ein Gedi and Hebron.

The southern slope of the mountain, as it is written in the book of Ezekiel.

It looks like the ruins of an ancient altar. Altar of Abraham, the land of Moriah, Jehovah Jireh?

It seems to me that the Temple is described in the book of the prophet Ezekiel quite clearly, so that it could be built. Can someone think that unbelievers will be able to build this Temple? Someone is waiting for this Temple to be built by the government of Israel, or the US government? Or are there those who hope that representatives of orthodox Judaism will be able to build the Third Temple, those who do not believe in Messiah Yeshua will be able to build the Temple of Messiah Yeshua?

If this Temple is to be built by us, Messianic Jews and Christians, then why are we engaged in any other business except the most important???

Posted on 11/07/2017
Now you can download the 3D model of the Temple with 3dwarehouse.sketchup.com, there is also a 3D view in the browser.

This is of course relevant to the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex rather than the Jerusalem Third Temple on the Temple Mount.

 

[DennisTate]

I don't understand why being afraid of the antichrist would want Christians to help him do his evil. But perhaps the way you worded it has caused my thoughts to go in a wrong direction?
Daniel states the sequence, that the antichrist shall come.. which starts "the week".. then in his Cyrus role, he assists the Jews in rebuilding the temple where the Jews reactivate the animal sacrifices unto God. Then in the middle of "the week" the antichrist will cause the sacrifices to cease.

Knowing what is to happen, and helping it to happen are two different things.
We are to always seek God for our protection and safety. We can do that without joining in to help the devil get on with his evil.. in the Bible, those who take his side get his punishment. No Christian that would think it a good thing to help evil should think that they would be immune.
That is based on the erroneous idea that he's the antichrist. It's based on the theology that all Christians will go through the Tribulation. However, this is the church age. The tribulation is the beginning of "the Lord's Day" which the apostle Paul assures believers that the antichrist cannot be revealed or come on the scene until "he who restrains" is taken out of the way.
In the end times theology that I follow, "the Lord's Day".. describes the end of the church age.. and "taken out of the way" describes the rapture of the church that Paul said must happen before the antichrist can be of notice to all the world.

Trump cannot be the antichrist because he's clearly made it known that he is a Christian.
In contrast, according to Daniel 11:37, the antichrist does not align himself with any religious group/it's leader.. but his own. The antichrist is most closely compared to Nimrod.

Basically because IF Grant R. Jeffrey was correct..... the Jews building their Third Temple is NOT evil... but attempting to stop them from offering sacrifices as commanded by Moses...... would be evil????

Grant Jeffrey: "Some Christian commentators have suggested that the Antichrist will lead the project to rebuild the Temple. However, the evidence from Scripture causes me to take quite a different view. While numerous prophecies describe the Antichrist defiling the Temple, John refers to the sanctuary as the Temple of God. "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein" (Revelation 11:1). In addition, when the apostle Paul wrote about the Antichrist being revealed, he referred to evil acts that would be carried out in "the temple of God" (see 2 Thessalonians 2:4). These passages strongly suggest that the Jews in genuine worship of God will build the Third Temple and that the Antichrist will later defile it during the Tribulation. Fortunately, the Word of God reveals that when the Messiah comes, "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Daniel 8:14).

One of the greatest of the early church writers, Irenaeus, taught that the new Temple would be a genuine Temple built by the religious Jews. Citing 2 Thessalonians 2:4, he stated that "the Apostle himself, speaking in his own person, distinctly called it the temple of God."

Further, in his book Against Heresies, Irenaeus affirmed his understanding of the Scriptures' prophecies about animal sacrifices being reinstated in a future Temple. He cited Daniel's words in Daniel 9:27, stating, "the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation (shall) be brought in the Temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete." Again, for these prophetic events to occur, the Third Temple must be rebuilt by the Jews as a legitimate Temple of God" (Grant R. Jeffrey, The New Temple and the Second Coming, pages 19, 20)

 

[fwGod]

Basically because IF Grant R. Jeffrey was correct..... the Jews building their Third Temple is NOT evil... but attempting to stop them from offering sacrifices as commanded by Moses...... would be evil????

That would be the case.
The Jews do so with intent to honor God, adhering to the old testament commandments. That happens in the first 3.5 years of the 7 year Tribulation.

The reason why they'd stop is because the lawless one goes into the temple and sits on the seat (the mercy seat), and declares himself to be God. As the apostle Paul wrote.

Essentially he doing so amounts to taking Jesus place for God has declared Jesus to be God, he sits at the right hand of God. As a verse in Hebrews states.

The actions and declaration that the lawless one makes IS the abomination of desolation. As Jesus told the Jews during his earthly ministry.

It happens at the mid-point of the 7 year Tribulation. As Daniel had been told.

At that time the Jews head for the hills, they flee to the wilderness where God protects them through the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation.

 

[DennisTate]

That would be the case.
The Jews do so with intent to honor God, adhering to the old testament commandments. That happens in the first 3.5 years of the 7 year Tribulation.

The reason why they'd stop is because the lawless one goes into the temple and sits on the seat (the mercy seat), and declares himself to be God. As the apostle Paul wrote.

Essentially he doing so amounts to taking Jesus place for God has declared Jesus to be God, he sits at the right hand of God. As a verse in Hebrews states.

The actions and declaration that the lawless one makes IS the abomination of desolation. As Jesus told the Jews during his earthly ministry.

It happens at the mid-point of the 7 year Tribulation. As Daniel had been told.

At that time the Jews head for the hills, they flee to the wilderness where God protects them through the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation.

That is EXACTLY how I have understood the scriptures on this topic for many years now!

I so thank you for this post!

May I quote you on this in some of the other discussions that I have going on this topic?

 

[fwGod]

That is EXACTLY how I have understood the scriptures on this topic for many years now!

I so thank you for this post!

May I quote you on this in some of the other discussions that I have going on this topic?

That would be acceptable.. On the agreement that you will use the permalink. If there be an occasion of referring to what I've said. That will allow anyone to also look at what others have contributed to the thread where I've posted what you want to quote.

 

[DennisTate]

That would be acceptable.. On the agreement that you will use the permalink. If there be an occasion of referring to what I've said. That will allow anyone to also look at what others have contributed to the thread where I've posted what you want to quote.

Excellent..... I always like using those permalinks when I quote somebody anyway. Thank you!

You are quoted in full here:


Grant R. Jeffrey on a Jerusalem Third Temple.