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Some people don't realize how much LOVE true Christians have for the true Savior Who died to save many.

Romans 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 
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Some people don't realize how much LOVE true Christians have for the true Savior Who died to save many.

Romans 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
It is good that Christians LOVE Jesus Christ the Savior and they can show that LOVE be keeping the commandments of LOVE. According to the Bible and Jesus Christ that is the way Christians show their LOVE for Him:

(Old Testament | Daniel 9:3 - 4)

3 ¶ And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

All have sinned and therefore all need to repent of their sins and forsake them and do works meet for repentance:

(New Testament | Acts 26:20)

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
 
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Excommunication is only a blessing when it encourages people to turn away from the path to destruction and repent and chose to the path of LOVE.
IOW... when one leaves mormonism...
 
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IOW... when one leaves mormonism...
And then repents and returns to The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints with a sincere desire to change and obey God and keep His commandments:

(New Testament | John 5:14)

14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
 
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And then repents and returns to The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints with a sincere desire to change and obey God and keep His commandments:

(New Testament | John 5:14)

14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Why would it be a blessing for someone to be excommunicated so they "turn away from the path to destruction and repent and chose to the path of LOVE." and then return to that same path of destruction known as the mormon religion? The Bible warns about such things.

"Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly." Proverbs 26:11
 
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Why would it be a blessing for someone to be excommunicated so they "turn away from the path to destruction and repent and chose to the path of LOVE." and then return to that same path of destruction known as the mormon religion? The Bible warns about such things.

"Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly." Proverbs 26:11
Yes it is folly for a person to return to sin after they know the way of righteousness:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is not the way to destruction, sin is:

(New Testament | Romans 6:16)

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 
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Why would it be a blessing for someone to be excommunicated so they "turn away from the path to destruction and repent and chose to the path of LOVE." and then return to that same path of destruction known as the mormon religion? The Bible warns about such things.

"Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly." Proverbs 26:11

God showed me His path to eternal life -- JESUS.

Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


I won't go back to those dark teachings:

"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life. "
Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119

Therefore it was made clearly manifest that salvation is in the Church, and of the Church, and is obtained only through the Church.
Mark E. Petersen, Salvation Comes through the Church, Ensign, July 1973


Only God can open our eyes!
 
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God showed me His path to eternal life -- JESUS.

Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


I won't go back to those dark teachings:

"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life. "
Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119

Therefore it was made clearly manifest that salvation is in the Church, and of the Church, and is obtained only through the Church.
Mark E. Petersen, Salvation Comes through the Church, Ensign, July 1973


Only God can open our eyes!
Jesus Christ taught that we should keep the commandments.
 
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The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is not the way to destruction, sin is:
It is a sin to follow false prophets and fairy tale doctrine. Your leaders even admit they follow a different Jesus. Some day maybe you will see the light.
 
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It is a sin to follow false prophets and fairy tale doctrine. Your leaders even admit they follow a different Jesus. Some day maybe you will see the light.
That we follow a different Jesus is a matter of semantics. There is only 1 Jesus and his nature and his history will only be known when he comes the second time. So at this point nobody knows the exact answer to all those questions.

We feel like we do, and you feel like you do. Time will only tell.
 
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It is a sin to follow false prophets and fairy tale doctrine. Your leaders even admit they follow a different Jesus. Some day maybe you will see the light.
It is a sin to sin and not keep the commandments of LOVE that we were given by God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ.

sin
/sin/
noun
  1. an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
    "a sin in the eyes of God"

    Similar:
    immoral act, wrong, wrongdoing

    act of evil/wickedness, transgression, crime, crime against humanity, crime offense, misdeed, misdemeanor, error, lapse, fall from grace, respass, wickedness, evil, evil-doing, sinfulness, ungodliness, unrighteousness, immorality, vice, iniquity, irreligiousness, irreverence, profanity, blasphemy, impiety, impiousness, sacrilege, profanation, desecration.

    Opposite: virtue good
 
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That we follow a different Jesus is a matter of semantics.

It really isn't. It is a matter of assent to or dissent from the historically-rooted, apostolic preaching of Christ, Who was and always will be God, Who was born of the Theotokos (the Virgin Mary), lived, preached, and at the appointed time of His own will was crucified and died upon the cross, and three days later rose from the dead, and by defeating death by His glorious and mysterious resurrection, has given us hope in the resurrection that we will be raised, to judgment and (God willing) ever-lasting life.

Mormonism disagrees with several major theological statements that form the bedrock of Christian belief (namely, the Holy Trinity), so to the extent that you will probably say or think "we believe all those things, too!", we have to ask and find out exactly Who you believe them about. That the Mormon Jesus and the Christian Jesus are not the same is admitted by your own leaders in their speeches and writings (I believe it was in one of Gordon B. Hinckley's interviews where he said as much about "the traditional Christ" of Christians, that this is not the Christ of the Christians), so there's no use in denying it -- or if you do, you should stop being Mormon immediately.

There is only 1 Jesus and his nature and his history will only be known when he comes the second time. So at this point nobody knows the exact answer to all those questions.

That is wrong. He told us Who and what He is many times ("I and the Father are one", "I lay it down and take it up again; no one takes it from me", etc.), and the Holy Spirit guided His apostles, our holy fathers in the faith, to all truth -- not just some. To claim that there is more that we are to know is both gnosticism and a slap in the face to every Christian who ever lived, including those same apostles who personally knew Jesus Christ, and to St. Paul to whom He appeared.

We feel like we do, and you feel like you do. Time will only tell.

No, time won't tell. It's already been told. We've already been told to reject another gospel (another teaching); it's just that JS didn't listen, so you don't either.

You follow JS and his conception of Jesus, which is incredibly heretical to every Christian who does not believe that God hit the reset button on belief in Him in 1820 or whatever. And that's basically everybody who isn't a restorationist (i.e., all Christians).
 
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It is a sin to follow false prophets and fairy tale doctrine. Your leaders even admit they follow a different Jesus. Some day maybe you will see the light.
It is important to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and our brother. It is also important that we walk as He walked.
 
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That we follow a different Jesus is a matter of semantics. There is only 1 Jesus and his nature and his history will only be known when he comes the second time. So at this point nobody knows the exact answer to all those questions.

We feel like we do, and you feel like you do. Time will only tell.

Yes---there is only one Jesus---you do not follow that Jesus but one out of the mind of JS---your Jesus can not save. Only the true Jesus of the bible can. He created from nothing, He always existed with the Father, He was God before He became human and He became human not to perfect His Godhood, but to save us., He had no mother. Time will tell, by then it will be too late your you. Your Jesus can not save you.
 
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Yes---there is only one Jesus---you do not follow that Jesus but one out of the mind of JS---your Jesus can not save. Only the true Jesus of the bible can. He created from nothing, He always existed with the Father, He was God before He became human and He became human not to perfect His Godhood, but to save us., He had no mother. Time will tell, by then it will be too late your you. Your Jesus can not save you.
Jesus has promised to save everyone who keeps the commandments:

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
 
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Yes---there is only one Jesus---you do not follow that Jesus but one out of the mind of JS---your Jesus can not save. Only the true Jesus of the bible can. He created from nothing, He always existed with the Father, He was God before He became human and He became human not to perfect His Godhood, but to save us., He had no mother. Time will tell, by then it will be too late your you. Your Jesus can not save you.
If becoming human was not to perfect His Godhood, why did Jesus retain his body of flesh and bone and spirit? You can only get a body of flesh and bone and spirit if you are born on earth.

So there was more to Jesus than being born to save us. He was born also to receive a body of flesh and bone and spirit, otherwise he could not be perfect. And if you are not perfect in all things, you cannot be God.

In Revelation 3:21 Jesus tells us that he had to overcome this world in order to sit with his Father on His throne. If Jesus had to overcome something in this world, then when he came to this world he was not fully perfected, right?

Not sure what you mean that Jesus did not have a mother, was Mary his aunt?
 
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If becoming human was not to perfect His Godhood, why did Jesus retain his body of flesh and bone and spirit? You can only get a body of flesh and bone and spirit if you are born on earth.

So there was more to Jesus than being born to save us. He was born also to receive a body of flesh and bone and spirit, otherwise he could not be perfect. And if you are not perfect in all things, you cannot be God.

In Revelation 3:21 Jesus tells us that he had to overcome this world in order to sit with his Father on His throne. If Jesus had to overcome something in this world, then when he came to this world he was not fully perfected, right?

Not sure what you mean that Jesus did not have a mother, was Mary his aunt?

That was the price He paid for becoming human---He retained His humanity. That is what you guys do not comprehend---the price that Jesus actually paid for us. You diminish Him.
I was talking about prior to His incarnation. He had no heavenly mother. He always was God with the Father.
You do not get it---Had Jesus not overcome sin---He still would have retained His Godhood. His Father would have taken Him back into heaven with Him. His humanity would have died, not His divinity. You can not kill God---He is from everlasting to everlasting. He would not haver been able to cleanse us of our sins, we are the ones that would have lost out if Jesus had failed. We would have been lost forever. He was showing us how to overcome sin, as He did through His Father, so can we. He overcame all the temptations that Satan tempted Him with. He was of Himself, already prefect for He was God. He came not to overcome sin with Hi8mslef, but to overcome what Satan hurled at Him.
 
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And then repents and returns to The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints with a sincere desire to change and obey God and keep His commandments:

(New Testament | John 5:14)

14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Friend, you are so patient and kind. I urge you to check out true Early Christian History. The Eucharist, the role of Mary, the Liturgy, Sub Tuum Praesidium, the Incarnation, the Communion of Saints, the Sacraments, the role of Bishops and their lines of succession, and early church buildings. God bless you, friend.
 
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It really isn't. It is a matter of assent to or dissent from the historically-rooted, apostolic preaching of Christ, Who was and always will be God, Who was born of the Theotokos (the Virgin Mary), lived, preached, and at the appointed time of His own will was crucified and died upon the cross, and three days later rose from the dead, and by defeating death by His glorious and mysterious resurrection, has given us hope in the resurrection that we will be raised, to judgment and (God willing) ever-lasting life.

It is an assent from the Nicene Council that moved Christianity in another direction.

But we do believe most of what you say in this paragraph. Just like most of Christianity believes in most of what you say in this paragraph.

Mormonism disagrees with several major theological statements that form the bedrock of Christian belief (namely, the Holy Trinity), so to the extent that you will probably say or think "we believe all those things, too!", we have to ask and find out exactly Who you believe them about. That the Mormon Jesus and the Christian Jesus are not the same is admitted by your own leaders in their speeches and writings (I believe it was in one of Gordon B. Hinckley's interviews where he said as much about "the traditional Christ" of Christians, that this is not the Christ of the Christians), so there's no use in denying it -- or if you do, you should stop being Mormon immediately.

There is no doubt we believe different things about God and Jesus, but the whole Christian world is a mosaic of different beliefs about God and Jesus.

I suspect you are not Protestant or Catholic because there are differences in the things they believe in and the things you believe in. So no surprise there.

That is wrong. He told us Who and what He is many times ("I and the Father are one", "I lay it down and take it up again; no one takes it from me", etc.), and the Holy Spirit guided His apostles, our holy fathers in the faith, to all truth -- not just some. To claim that there is more that we are to know is both gnosticism and a slap in the face to every Christian who ever lived, including those same apostles who personally knew Jesus Christ, and to St. Paul to whom He appeared.

Again, there is no doubt we believe differently about God and Jesus. But our holy apostles did receive all the truth, but were unable to give us all the truth because of the faithlessness of the first century church. Paul, the most quoted holy apostle, says to the Corinthians that he was not able to give them the meat of the gospel, because they would not receive it. (1 Corinthians 3:2)

So no, all truth was received, but all truth was not given. IOW if Paul had given them the whole truth, they may have killed him. As it is, he tells us towards the end of his mission that all Asia had turned away from him. (2 Timothy 1:15).
(1 Corinthians 15:12) tells us why Paul could not give the whole truth, and why all Asia had turned away from him. Some were now even questioning if there had been a resurrection.

So no, it is not a slap in the face, it is the truth that there is much more to the gospel of Jesus Christ that only since the restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ, the Lord has filled in many questions that the bible is not real clear about, and especially the "meat" of the gospel that the first century Christians were not willing to receive, because they were having big problems just living the "milk" of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

No, time won't tell. It's already been told. We've already been told to reject another gospel (another teaching); it's just that JS didn't listen, so you don't either.

Yes time will still tell, since the bible does not contain the "meat" of the gospel, then more needs to be given, much more. And it has, and time will tell whether the gospel of Jesus Christ will be received by the world in our day. I believe in the near future, things are going to happen that will be very interesting to the world of Christianity, that will change many peoples lives, as they learn more of the truth.

You follow JS and his conception of Jesus, which is incredibly heretical to every Christian who does not believe that God hit the reset button on belief in Him in 1820 or whatever. And that's basically everybody who isn't a restorationist (i.e., all Christians).

God hit the reset button in the 1500's, but it did not take. He had to wait until the 1800's before a free nation was established in the USA and the truth could be brought forth without being smashed by the state established religions. This time it took and will roll forth as a stone cut out without hands and will smite the image and break it to pieces and continue to roll forth to become a great mountain, and fill the whole earth. You are seeing this being fulfilled in our day.
 
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Friend, you are so patient and kind. I urge you to check out true Early Christian History. The Eucharist, the role of Mary, the Liturgy, Sub Tuum Praesidium, the Incarnation, the Communion of Saints, the Sacraments, the role of Bishops and their lines of succession, and early church buildings. God bless you, friend.
I love church history, and I have been a student of our history for many years. One of the things that was interesting to me about church history, is the apostles went out and formed churches all over the Mediterranean area. As they organized a church they called, and ordained elders, and from those elders they eventually chose one of them to be the bishop of that church.
So I wondered, even as a young boy what the succession of the apostles looked like and so I got on the internet to check it out and I was somewhat disappointed in the succession of the apostles because it pretty much ended by 110ad, and the succession became a succession of bishops and not apostles.

So I have always thought that the only way a bishop could be ordained was by an apostles, using the bible as the modal. But by 110ad, the apostles were gone and the bishops were ordained by other bishops. There was a succession of bishops, but more importantly there was not a succession of apostles. I always thought there was something fishy about that. What do you think?
 
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