The ability of God - Does God always get His will done?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My point is, it's not what God knows we do, it's what we do God knows. In what way is that circular? Our choices are not determined by God or His foreknowlege.

And what is God's Point ? He Says to you(pl) "Choose Today Who You Will Serve",, possibly every day ...
At least it remains on record, written, in His Word.
So, everyone chooses who to serve - Jesus, or some other.
Serving Jesus, as He Says, all of our choices are brought subject to Him, or come from Him.
We either willingly and joyously serve Him,
or we serve something/someone else.

 

[bling]

Philip and all the permanent disciples were already light years ahead of people you know today.
He/ they/ simply obeyed the Father.

What God did for Job was to help him take the next step in his spiritual growth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

“And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:31‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:24‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[zoidar]

God could have sent the Holy Spirit directly to eunuch and left Philip out of it, so why did God send Philip?

Do you think it help Philip to grow spiritually to have this experience of teaching the eunuch?

I don't know. Why are God sending us to share the Gospel when He could have sent angels or just give faith to everyone at instant? God has chosen this way, maybe because His Kingdom is about His relationship with man? Or there may be a reason we just can't understand. What do you think?

 

[zoidar]

Philip and all the permanent disciples were already light years ahead of people you know today.
He/ they/ simply obeyed the Father.

I think there are Christians like them today. I don't see the apostles as perfect Christians. They were good servants of Christ, but still human.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think there are Christians like them today. I don't see the apostles as perfect Christians. They were good servants of Christ, but still human.

They walked in union with Jesus and with the Father DAILY. They obeyed the FATHER DAILY, they honored TORAH all the time. They DID the Father's Word all the time.
See IN THE NT, what the Father Says about them, NOT what you have seen or heard from anyone else.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What God did for Job was to help him take the next step in his spiritual growth.

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God could have sent the Holy Spirit directly to eunuch and left Philip out of it, so why did God send Philip?Do you think it help Philip to grow spiritually to have this experience of teaching the eunuch?

What God did for Job was to help him take the next step in his spiritual growth.

Why the switching from Philip, the topic, to Job, not the topic ? What is your connection there ?

 

[RDKirk]

God could have sent the Holy Spirit directly to eunuch and left Philip out of it, so why did God send Philip?

Do you think it help Philip to grow spiritually to have this experience of teaching the eunuch?

The Holy Spirit did go to Cornelius first, but God sent Peter to Cornelius anyway.

Peter inducted Cornelius into the Body of Christ. "Membership has its privileges."

Both cases were proving examples of the fulfillment of Isaiah 56. It doesn't appear that the Judaic believers thought God was serious about that.

 

[RDKirk]

What you are going to do determining what God knows you will do equals free will. God knowing because he determined what you will do equals predestination.

Why is it necessary to cling to "free will?"

I would think that if free will were so important, there would be two or three direct witnesses in scripture spelling it out and teaching it directly.

On the other hand, there are two or three direct scriptural witnesses to predestination.

This doesn't seem to have been an issue for the early church. Paul mostly denied "free will."

It seems to have only become an issue around the fourth century when Augustine argued the point with pagans.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Holy Spirit did go to Cornelius first, but God sent Peter to Cornelius anyway.

Peter inducted Cornelius into the Body of Christ. "Membership has its privileges."

Both cases were proving examples of the fulfillment of Isaiah 56. It doesn't appear that the Judaic believers thought God was serious about that.

about gentiles ?

 

[zoidar]

They walked in union with Jesus and with the Father DAILY. They obeyed the FATHER DAILY, they honored TORAH all the time. They DID the Father's Word all the time.
See IN THE NT, what the Father Says about them, NOT what you have seen or heard from anyone else.

I know that Paul was a very dedicated evangelist, but I don't see what he did would be impossible for us today, through God's grace and our willingness. One problem is that most Christians today are not willing. I think we all have to work on that, to be more apostle-like.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know that Paul was a very dedicated evangelist, but I don't see what he did would be impossible for us today, through God's grace and our willingness. One problem is that most Christians today are not willing. I think we all have to work on that, to be more apostle-like.

No. Not at all.

(to be clarified later, Yahuweh Willing)

 

[RaymondG]

Listen to the words of Jesus’ heart in Luke: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.”

You wouldn’t let me? How can it get any clearer that God’s will was not for his people to reject him?

The letter killeth, but spirit maketh alive. The Father waits for us to return from our adventures in wasting away our inheritance...It is His will that we return....and we will. How long we take in riotous living is of no consequence to him...for He sits outside of time.

US asking for our inheritance to waste and receiving it from God, doesnt mean we are exacting our will over His.....ANd it doesnt mean that He will not, in the end, gather his children together as hens.

The party is there waiting for us......the only thing we have some say over, is how long it take us to come to your senses.

Good news, Heaven is waiting for you now, if you would receive it.

 

[bling]

I don't know. Why are God sending us to share the Gospel when He could have sent angels or just give faith to everyone at instant? God has chosen this way, maybe because His Kingdom is about His relationship with man? Or there may be a reason we just can't understand. What do you think?

This is a good question: who would be the very best person to send to the hungering nonbeliever?

Would it not be Jesus in the flesh, to Love on him, listen to him, spend time with him, mentor him, teach him and be loved by him? Will that be you? You are now the flesh of Christ living in you and throw you. You are doing what Christ is doing on earth in the flesh. Don’t you want to be part of that? Is it not exciting to share in God’s glory, by just being there? An angel cannot do what Christ did while he was human, but you can (real Christ can do it through you). Can an angle say to the prospect: “I have been there and done that”? Would a prospect speak with and angel like he would speak to you or Christ in the flesh, since we know how people addressed Christ.

 

[bling]

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Why the switching from Philip, the topic, to Job, not the topic ? What is your connection there ?

Job is another lengthy subject, but similar.

Who would be the very best person to send to the hungering nonbeliever?

Would it not be Jesus in the flesh, to Love on him, listen to him, spend time with him, mentor him, teach him and be loved by him? Will that be you? You are now the flesh of Christ living in you and throw you. You are doing what Christ is doing on earth in the flesh. Don’t you want to be part of that? Is it not exciting to share in God’s glory, by just being there? An angel cannot do what Christ did while he was human, but you can (real Christ can do it through you). Can an angle say to the prospect: “I have been there and done that”? Would a prospect speak with and angel like he would speak to you or Christ in the flesh, since we know how people addressed Christ.

 

[bling]

The Holy Spirit did go to Cornelius first, but God sent Peter to Cornelius anyway.

Peter inducted Cornelius into the Body of Christ. "Membership has its privileges."

Both cases were proving examples of the fulfillment of Isaiah 56. It doesn't appear that the Judaic believers thought God was serious about that.

Who would be the very best person to send to the hungering nonbeliever?

Would it not be Jesus in the flesh, to Love on him, listen to him, spend time with him, mentor him, teach him and be loved by him? Will that be you? You are now the flesh of Christ living in you and throw you. You are doing what Christ is doing on earth in the flesh. Don’t you want to be part of that? Is it not exciting to share in God’s glory, by just being there? An angel cannot do what Christ did while he was human, but you can (real Christ can do it through you). Can an angle say to the prospect: “I have been there and done that”? Would a prospect speak with and angel like he would speak to you or Christ in the flesh, since we know how people addressed Christ.

 

[RDKirk]

Who would be the very best person to send to the hungering nonbeliever?

Would it not be Jesus in the flesh, to Love on him, listen to him, spend time with him, mentor him, teach him and be loved by him? Will that be you? You are now the flesh of Christ living in you and throw you. You are doing what Christ is doing on earth in the flesh. Don’t you want to be part of that? Is it not exciting to share in God’s glory, by just being there? An angel cannot do what Christ did while he was human, but you can (real Christ can do it through you). Can an angle say to the prospect: “I have been there and done that”? Would a prospect speak with and angel like he would speak to you or Christ in the flesh, since we know how people addressed Christ.

That does not seem to dispute what I said.

 

[bling]

That does not seem to dispute what I said.

OK

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who would be the very best person to send to the hungering nonbeliever?

The Father sends who He Chooses to send. He utterly, completely , always does what is best in His Absolutely Perfect Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding which are all in His Essence, not as if separate parts in Him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What God did for Job was to help him take the next step in his spiritual growth.

Where is this written in God's Word? Where did God say this ?