TIKKUN OLAM and where we will be in the year 2319?

[DennisTate]

Since the '70's when I was a teenager I believed that three hundred years from now I would be on a restored utopian earth rather than simply in heaven.

The nation of Israel shared amazing solar desalination technology with the nation of Norway so that Norway could share that tech with the Islamic nations who could not collaborate directly with Israel.

I would love it many Messianic believers would express your opinion on this discussion that I have going over in Controversial Christian Theology.

Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?

That is an excellent reply because those people who report having a near death experience report being able to hear the people on earth who are praying for them.

They can also view their loved ones and they are given Shalom / peace of mind regarding God's long term plans for their loved ones.

For well over a decade I've felt that these accounts could well be the new tool for evangelism that gives Christians the open door to reach all people in all nations.... but many Christians look at this very differently.

Basically what I mean by the utopian earth is the earth where Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is ruling as King of all kings and King David has been resurrected from the dead and given a physical body so that he can teach his great, great, great ... grandchildren and keep them on the right track so that they take the principle of Tikkun Olam to all nations.

In my opinion his grandchildren did something exceptionally impressive by sharing Solar Desalination Technology with Norway so that Norway could share that technology with several Islamic nations.

Sahara Forest Project -

 

[joshua 1 9]

Since the '70's when I was a teenager I believed that three hundred years from now I would be on a restored utopian earth rather than simply in heaven.

Isaiah chapter 65 talks about the 1,000 year reign of Christ (Moshiach). We are told we will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years here on the earth and then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. We can compare what John tells us in Revelation with the book of Isaiah. They do believe this will take place in the year 6,000. Currently this is the year: 5,780. There are people that go by this calendar that believe we still have 220 years to go. Others believe the Church age is 2,000 years and then the Kingdom age will follow for 1,000 years. Then there will be a new Heaven and a New Earth.

We are told to pray Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as in Heaven. So the Earth is to become as Heaven already is

 

[DennisTate]

Isaiah chapter 65 talks about the 1,000 year reign of Christ (Moshiach). We are told we will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years here on the earth and then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. We can compare what John tells us in Revelation with the book of Isaiah. They do believe this will take place in the year 6,000. Currently this is the year: 5,780. There are people that go by this calendar that believe we still have 220 years to go. Others believe the Church age is 2,000 years and then the Kingdom age will follow for 1,000 years. Then there will be a new Heaven and a New Earth.

We are told to pray Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as in Heaven. So the Earth is to become as Heaven already is

That is an absolutely awesome answer and I would love it if you copied and pasted it over to that other discussion:

Would you prefer that I just copied and pasted it?

 

[DennisTate]

Isaiah chapter 65 talks about the 1,000 year reign of Christ (Moshiach). We are told we will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years here on the earth and then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. We can compare what John tells us in Revelation with the book of Isaiah. They do believe this will take place in the year 6,000. Currently this is the year: 5,780. There are people that go by this calendar that believe we still have 220 years to go. Others believe the Church age is 2,000 years and then the Kingdom age will follow for 1,000 years. Then there will be a new Heaven and a New Earth.

We are told to pray Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as in Heaven. So the Earth is to become as Heaven already is

For the record I believe that the 6000 year mark was around the year 1996 because Rabbi Akiva felt that he was in a desperate situation and he played around with the dating of the time from Adam because he felt that the Messianic Jewish movement would eventually swallow his understanding of Judaism if he did not permanently divide the two movements.

"The first Church was Jewish. If a Gentile wanted to follow the Messiah, he had to convert to Judaism. Then Peter had a revelation that Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism to be saved (see Acts 10). The Jerusalem Council meeting determined that Gentiles did not have to be circumcised. There were only four easily followed requirements. They were to “abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood” (Acts 15:20). After all, James said, they could learn more about God by hear- ing the words of Moses every Saturday in the syna- gogue (see Acts 15:21). This opened the door to widespread church growth among the Gentiles. So many Gentiles were saved that the Jewish believers became a minority.

The first Jewish followers of Jesus were called “Nazarenes” (part of the Essenes sect of Judaism dis- cussed in Chapter 3). They practiced traditional Judaism and were widely accepted by unbelieving Jews. Early in the second century their numbers reached 400,000.1 In the Book of Acts, the early church fathers said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many myriads [tens of thousands] of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law” (Acts 21:20).

The Nazarenes’ acceptance by traditional Jews came to a halt in A.D. 135 when Rabbi Akiba declared that Bar Kochba was the Jewish Messiah. His followers hoped he would lead them to victory over the Romans. The Nazarenes refused to fight because they believed Jesus was the true Messiah rather than Bar Kochba. They were branded traitors, not because they believed in Jesus, but because they would not join Bar Kochba’s armed struggle. Bar Kochba and his followers were quickly slaughtered by the Romans. Afterward, Jews were banned from Jerusalem.

History shows that as the center of the Christian faith moved from Jerusalem to Rome, it became increasingly Hellenized, adopting pagan customs and philosophies rather than the God-ordained practices and beliefs of the Bible. At the same time, Christianity became increasingly anti-Jewish." (Sid Roth from his book The Incomplete Church, Chapter 7, page 64, 65)

 

[joshua 1 9]

Would you prefer that I just copied and pasted it?

You can copy and paste it. It is very interesting to listen to the Conservative Hasidic talk about the book of Isaiah and somehow avoid talking about Jesus who obviously is the person the prophecy's are talking about.

 

[DennisTate]

You can copy and paste it. It is very interesting to listen to the Conservative Hasidic talk about the book of Isaiah and somehow avoid talking about Jesus who obviously is the person the prophecy's are talking about.

Yes........ and something really, really unusual to my thinking is that the near death experience account of Rabbi Alon Anava....
reminds me in several important ways of Matthew 4

then his teaching correspond with Matthew 5
Matthew 6
and Matthew 7
in many important ways..........

but this possible connection is not being noticed as much yet as it perhaps should be.... but I think that the time is coming when it will be????

 

[DennisTate]

You can copy and paste it. It is very interesting to listen to the Conservative Hasidic talk about the book of Isaiah and somehow avoid talking about Jesus who obviously is the person the prophecy's are talking about.

Thank you... your post is quoted in full here:


Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?