BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[Hillsage]

An incredibly long stretch for some, but my mind takes things to ultimate conclusions.

It just took information to remain a doubting Thomas. But it took faith to make the leap of becoming a believing disciple. Then as well as now.

 

[mmksparbud]

Dear Lord: I truly appreciate You sitting on Your lifeguard tower while I am drowning..glug, glug, glug.

Why are You only a potential Saviour?

What is it you think He is going to do? Shove a red hot coal up your nose until you say uncle? He will not force---why is that so hard to comprehend?

I AM STILL WAITING FOR THE VERSE THAT STATES ANYONE GETS TO COME OUT OF THE LAKE OF FIRE AND SPENDS ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. PLEASE QUOTE THE VERSE THAT STATES THE LOST GET ETERNAL LIFE, ALSO!

 

[Saint Steven]

As for the Bible being a "Damnationist text," remember that I was able to confirm Universalism in the KJV.

Yes. That's why I said...

...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

 

[Lazarus Short]

You are still stretching you haven't made your point yet.

Sorry, but you will need to become accustomed to disappointment.

 

[Lazarus Short]

There is no changing the mind after death!

Who told you that? Do you suppose we don't learn after the resurrection?

 

[Lazarus Short]

Yes. That's why I said...

...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Steven, I think you answered the demands in the post previous to yours.

 

[FineLinen]

What is it you think He is going to do? Shove a red hot coal up your nose until you say uncle? He will not force---why is that so hard to comprehend?

I will tell you exactly what the Lord Lesous will do. He will come off His Lifeguard tower and do what He does best: He will save every drowning and broken sinner!

Every last one: success rate 100%

 

[mmksparbud]

Who told you that? Do you suppose we don't learn after the resurrection?

Name the verse that states we can change our minds after the lake of fire!!

 

[mmksparbud]

I will tell you exactly what the Lord Lesous will do. He will come off His Lifeguard tower and do what He does best: He will save every drowning and broken sinner!

Every last one: success rate 100%

State the verse that says anyone comes out of the lake of fire and spends eternity with Jesus. How do you suppose He will save those who do not want to be saved?

 

[FineLinen]

State the verse that says anyone comes out of the lake of fire and spends eternity with Jesus. How do you suppose He will save those who do not want to be saved?

Dear Lady: It is called at one ment. Every last broken sinner is brought by the God of glory and grace Home by re- adjustment & rectification.

Success rate = 100 %

 

[FineLinen]

Dear lady do you know what to rectify means?

Our Father is the God of rectification!

Adam1 = "many made sinners"

Last Adam = "many made righteous"

Many = many >>> all = all >>> some = some>>> polus = polus

 

[Hillsage]

Yes. That's why I said...

...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Don’t forget the verse:

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw/helkuo all men unto me.

1670 helkuo hel-koo'-o or helko hel'-ko; probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):--draw. Compare 1667. see GREEK for 138 see GREEK for 1667

It’s just too bad that the “scribes” interpreted the literal “drag” definition into some wimpy word like “draw” as though he would be singing a whooing gospel love song.
Find all occurrences

 

[Der Alte]

Sorry, but you will need to become accustomed to disappointment.

Typical heterodox cop-out. I'm not disappointed when heterodox folks can't support their beliefs.

 

[mmksparbud]

Dear Lady: It is called at one ment. Every last broken sinner is brought by the God of glory and grace Home by re- adjustment & rectification.

Success rate = 100 %

You have not described how He will do that for one who doesn't want Him.
He can light up your butt all He wants---how is He going to save someone who does not want Him?
Where is that verse that says anyone can change their mind after the lake of fire---for that matter---after death?

Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

 

[Der Alte]

Yes. That's why I said...
...these verses are quite a find. It seems they got past the editors.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Jn 2:2 Atoning sacrifice for the whole world but not everyone will repent while it is day for the night is coming when no man may work. John 9:4
Rom 11:32 The word translated "may have mercy" is in the subjunctive which is the mood of possibility and potentiality it may or may not happen.
1 Cor 15:22 All men are "in Adam" because all men are literal, physical descendants of Adam but all men are not "in Christ" See e.g. Romans 8:1, 2 Corinthians 2:14 , 2 Corinthians 5:17 et al.

 

[mmksparbud]

As I have stated on several threads on the Christian Forums - I couched damnationism, annihilationism and universalism as THEORIES and delved into the text the KJV to see which fit the data better. I looked at EVERY verse of a very ordinary KJV, using minimal reference materials. Findings:

I found little support for annihilationism.

I found the case for damnationism to be based on bias, bad translation and the unjustified intrusion of theology and terms foreign to both Greek and Hebrew. In particular, I found that if context allowed, "sheol" was translated as "hell." If context did not allow, it was left as "grave" or "pit." I see this as putting theology ahead of honest translation. Further, "Gehenna" was rendered as "Hell" 100% of the time, even though it is a place in the real world.

Universalism, as a theory, had far fewer "data outliers" and problems between one verse or text and another. Consulting other translations, particularly the Ferrar Fenton and the Young's Literal, I found ease and harmony, where "condemnation" was not substituted for "judgment" and "damnation" did not replace "condemnation."

I did my homework. I fear most Christians have not been good Bereans.

I've done mine, also. I see nothing for eternal burning hell. I see the end of the wicked in the lake of fire and they are ashes under our feet. I see no verse that states anyone changes their mind after death, or gets a 2nd life with Christ after the 2nd death. Give me the verses and I change my mind.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[mmksparbud]

Who told you that? Do you suppose we don't learn after the resurrection?

Again---give me the verse that says we can change our mind after death, or after the 2nd death. You can make up stuff all you want. I simply ask for the verses.

 

[Lazarus Short]

You have not described how He will do that for one who doesn't want Him.
He can light up your butt all He wants---how is He going to save someone who does not want Him?
Where is that verse that says anyone can change their mind after the lake of fire---for that matter---after death?

Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Did you miss the context? Starting with verse 8 of the same chapter, we're back with John on Patmos in the first century, not far in the future.

 

[Jord Simcha]

I've done mine, also. I see nothing for eternal burning hell. I see the end of the wicked in the lake of fire and they are ashes under our feet. I see no verse that states anyone changes their mind after death, or gets a 2nd life with Christ after the 2nd death. Give me the verses and I change my mind.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Perhaps relevant to Rev 20:9:
Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.
Jeremiah 5:14

Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jeremiah 23:29

 

[Lazarus Short]

Again---give me the verse that says we can change our mind after death, or after the 2nd death. You can make up stuff all you want. I simply ask for the verses.

After death, the resurrection, correct? The Spirit of Life reanimates a new body, thus making a living soul. Naturally, this new soul will have the mental capacity to choose. Why does this need a Bible verse?