None of These Diseases: I am the Lord who heals you.

[joshua 1 9]

“If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you.” (Exodus 15:26)

We are told that Jesus: " is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises". (Hebrews 8:6) As I read this passage in Exodus I see four conditions: "diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God", "do what is right in His sight", "give ear to His commandments", "keep all His statutes".

Is this why people have so much of a problem to walk in health and to receive healing from God? We know God wants us to be healthy. It is not His desire that anyone is sick. Yet the conditions to be healed and to walk in health seem to be pretty strict.

We are told that God will NOT put the diseases that He "brought' upon the Egyptians. In the Hebrew the first letter of the word: "brought" indicates destruction or to destroy. The second letter water can be a destructive force. Yet the river of life is a life giving water that heals.

God intends to wash, cleanse and purify us or He intends to destroy those who do not want to live Right, Holy, Sanctified lives. "Just like clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel." (Jeremiah 18:6)

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

So faithfull people do not get sick ? Well guess that makes for lots of soulsearching for some people.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So faithfull people do not get sick ?

My father, oldest brother & wife do not ever get sick. Are you suggesting that "faithfull people" are able to keep the four requirements that Moses talks about in this passage?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

My father, oldest brother & wife do not ever get sick

That seems unlikely and is probably more of confirmation bias than anything. At lest you did not claim you never got sick so that is something.

Are you suggesting that "faithfull people" are able to keep the four requirements that Moses talks about in this passage?

I am suggesting that if I keep the four requirements that Moses talks about it has zero influence if I get the flu or not.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That seems unlikely

None of them have ever called in sick or taken a day off from work. There are people like that.

it has zero influence if I get the flu or not.

I attended a church where once a year they use to pray for the flu. It actually worked for me. I did not get the flu the whole time I was there. I am sure it was more effective then the flu shots. Which I think is a scam.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am suggesting that if I keep the four requirements that Moses talks about it has zero influence if I get the flu or not.

I am suggesting that you will not be able to keep them. There are plenty of people that do not ever get sick. My brother is the first to tell people that there is an advantage to good clean living. Actually science can verify that people that practice temperance live at least 5 years longer on the average over people that do not practice temperance. My wife works in assisted living. A long life is a life style choice. People that live high risk lives simply do not live that long. It catches up with them eventually. The universe is very exact and precise. I put my confidence in rewards. It does not make any sense to take risks hoping that your going to get away with it.

 

[bling]

A high risk job can be preaching in North Korea, Iran and lots of places so should we avoid doing that?

I want to be cured of my selfishness, while the rest are not that significant. I just need to witness to others how Christians should act in every situation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A high risk job can be preaching in North Korea, Iran and lots of places so should we avoid doing that?

What did Jesus say: ""Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are." (Matthew 23:15)

Jesus saves people, I do not think people have to convert to be saved. In some countries to convert would get you killed. That would be salvation by works.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am suggesting that if I keep the four requirements that Moses talks about it has zero influence if I get the flu or not.

Usually a promise from God has only one requirement. In this case the promise has four requirements. We have a covenant relationship with God. If we do our part we can be sure God will do His part.

 

[bling]

What did Jesus say: ""Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are." (Matthew 23:15)

Jesus saves people, I do not think people have to convert to be saved. In some countries to convert would get you killed. That would be salvation by works.

They are not trying to get killed to be saved??
I teach foreign students from all over the world the Bible at a local University. Lots are very excited about the message and really want to be baptized. I spend lots of time making sure they have counted the cost because some are from communist countries, India and Iran right now. Yes, they will be risking their lives when they return, but are willing to take that chance to teach family and friends some really good news. I am not sure I would do what they are willing to do, but I do not think I could stop them either. They are all very smart and know what they are doing.
We have more very highly motivated students than teachers, so are you suggesting I just turn them away?

 

[joshua 1 9]

We have more very highly motivated students than teachers, so are you suggesting I just turn them away?

You are very articulate when you say: "Yes, they will be risking their lives when they return, but are willing to take that chance to teach family and friends some really good news." I remember a story from the book: "Tortured for Christ" of a farmer that God was calling to the ministry. He was not ready for five years he continued to plow his field. Then one day he was ready to answer the call of God and he went into ministry to help others. The author of the book claims that he was offered the biggest church in the country if he would preach the message approved by the Government. If he wanted to preach his message then he would be assigned to the smallest church. I think you make it clear that as an expression of their love for people they are willing to take a chance and do what they feel is the right thing to do.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

My brother is the first to tell people that there is an advantage to good clean living. Actually science can verify that people that practice temperance live at least 5 years longer on the average over people that do not practice temperance.

Sure, although this is in no way restricted to religious types.

Eat properly, have enough exercise , be excited about whatever and have some luck and you will statistically live longer than average. Good genes help. Pretty basic.

 

[ViaCrucis]

God's promise to ancient Israel was that if they abide in His Torah then the plagues He brought down upon Egypt would not befall His people.

This was always the conditional within the Old Covenant: That the people would abide by the Torah, and they would be God's people and nation--but if they turned away from God's way then they would face judgment. This message is repeated, not only in the Torah itself, but through the mouths of the prophets throughout the ancient centuries.

It is not a blanket promise that people won't get sick or experience hardship if they get all their affairs in order.

Such a reading is atrocious and grotesque.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[joshua 1 9]

if they turned away from God's way then they would face judgment.

If we break natural laws there are consequences. If I drop a hammer on my foot do I say God is punishing me. Or do I say gravity is doing what gravity does.

 

[charsan]

Such a reading is atrocious and grotesque.

Agreed, I notice that such a reading of many verses happen by many

 

[joshua 1 9]

Agreed, I notice that such a reading of many verses happen by many

So you believe that God wants people to be sick? He does not want them to be healthy? What about the Lords Supper? Do you think God delights in condemning people? Do you think it was His desire for this world to be in a fallen condition?

"Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment. But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world" (1Cor11:28-31)

I knew there would be controversy, because not only am I saying we can be healthy, I am saying we can live free from sin. Both of these are very controversial. Actually there is a book I am reading and I am just presenting the views in this book if anyone wants to study up on this some more.

 

[charsan]

So you believe that God wants people to be sick? He does not want them to be healthy? What about the Lords Supper? Do you think God delights in condemning people? Do you think it was His desire for this world to be in a fallen condition?

"Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment. But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world" (1Cor11:28-31)

I knew there would be controversy, because not only am I saying we can be healthy, I am saying we can live free from sin. Both of these are very controversial. Actually there is a book I am reading and I am just presenting the views in this book if anyone wants to study up on this some more.

I believe there are many well believing Christians who take verse completely and utterly out of context because they have only themselves and some quite faulty teaching. As a poster said:
Such a reading is atrocious and grotesque.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I believe there are many well believing Christians who take verse completely and utterly out of context because they have only themselves and some quite faulty teaching. As a poster said:
Such a reading is atrocious and grotesque.

This is why we go back to the Torah to see what Moses tells us and then we can look at the passage where Paul talks about this. We know that Jesus is a better mediator then Moses just as we know the New Covenant is a better Covenant then the Old Covenant given through Moses. As we read Exodus 23:25: "I will take sickness away from the midst of thee". Then you claim it is: "atrocious and grotesque" to say God wants us healthy and that He does not want us to be sick? My father served our community as medical doctor for over 50 years. HE believed in "chance": Solomom tells us: "chance happen to them all "I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." (Ecc9:11) Even though we only see this word: Chance once in the Bible: וָפֶ֖גַע For me to try to promote chance is taking the Bible out of contact. This is why people need to be careful what they accuse others of, because chances are they are the ones that are guilty and they have passed judgement on themselves. To many people do not realize that God does not judge us so much as we judge ourselves when we pass judgement on others.

 

[charsan]

This is why we go back to the Torah to see what Moses tells us and then we can look at the passage where Paul talks about this. We know that Jesus is a better mediator then Moses just as we know the New Covenant is a better Covenant then the Old Covenant given through Moses. As we read Exodus 23:25: "I will take sickness away from the midst of thee". Then you claim it is: "atrocious and grotesque" to say God wants us healthy and that He does not want us to be sick? My father served our community as medical doctor for over 50 years. HE believed in "chance": Solomom tells us: "chance happen to them all "I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." (Ecc9:11) Even though we only see this word: Chance once in the Bible: וָפֶ֖גַע For me to try to promote chance is taking the Bible out of contact. This is why people need to be careful what they accuse others of, because chances are they are the ones that are guilty and they have passed judgement on themselves. To many people do not realize that God does not judge us so much as we judge ourselves when we pass judgement on others.

Yes I do say that because you like many others have taken the verses out of it context and really have next to no idea what you are about.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Charismatic Episcopal Church

I was a member of the Charismatic Episcopal Church. I left about the time they left the Episcopal Church to form their own
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