Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So far none of you seem to understand it...

You have to understand the Jewish marriage customs of the time. It has nothing to do with being omniscient. There are many mansions in my Father' house...I go and prepare a place for you. For where I am, you shall be also...

Yeshua said that no man knows the day or the hour for a reason. It is part of the Jewish marriage. First the groom must pay a bride price for his beloved (which Yeshua did on the cross) and have a contract (covenant). The groom would then pour his beloved a cup of wine. If she drank it, it meant she accepts the proposal. Now that his beloved has accepted, she is now set apart. Then the groom goes away to build a place to live for his beloved (John 14:2-3 I go and prepare a place for you). Only when his father says he is finished can he then go back to get his beloved and bring her back with him.

 

[His student]

Mat 24:36
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

He said He didn't and that pretty much settles that.

I think the statement becomes an issue from not understanding that Jesus throughout His life functioned as a real man just like us. He studied scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit and also heard from God directly at times.

He grew in knowledge through out His life as He did so. The scriptures don't tell men about the exact time of His second coming and apparently God had not told Him that directly when He was ministering on earth. The same can be said for us in the Body of Christ.

This says nothing about His lacking complete knowledge now that He is fully glorified and functioning as both God and man.

And - please - no comments about me not believing that Jesus was also God in the flesh. Thanks.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Matthew 24


Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????



This is stated and elaborated on after the seventeen minute mark in this video and this really hit me!!!

Notwithstanding the possibility that this is referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, as a Trinitarian we understand that all three are one. However, when Jesus Christ of Nazareth walked the earth He had some limitations, though Divine in nature, He was also human.

 

[RDKirk]

So far none of you seem to understand it...

You have to understand the Jewish marriage customs of the time. It has nothing to do with being omniscient. There are many mansions in my Father' house...I go and prepare a place for you. For where I am, you shall be also...

Yeshua said that no man knows the day or the hour for a reason. It is part of the Jewish marriage. First the groom must pay a bride price for his beloved (which Yeshua did on the cross) and have a contract (covenant). The groom would then pour his beloved a cup of wine. If she drank it, it meant she accepts the proposal. Now that his beloved has accepted, she is now set apart. Then the groom goes away to build a place to live for his beloved (John 14:2-3 I go and prepare a place for you). Only when his father says he is finished can he then go back to get his beloved and bring her back with him.

Cool.

So you seem to be saying He doesn't know yet.

 

[RDKirk]

Notwithstanding the possibility that this is referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, as a Trinitarian we understand that all three are one. However, when Jesus Christ of Nazareth walked the earth He had some limitations, though Divine in nature, He was also human.

Three pounds of wet meat can only hold so many synapses.

 

[timothyu]

Every time God has given us His written Word, Satan has countered by creating a similar corrupt text to deceive people. Knowing that he can’t eliminate God’s Word, Satan created a deceptive path that has led to our modern Bible versions.

Ask yourself .. what would the Adversary do when confronted with a way of life that ran counter-culture to the traditional ways of man. What it has always done. Create a religion.

 

[timothyu]

More self justification here of doctrine than what Jesus plainly said. I guess being right is more important than accepting a truth.

 

[AlexDTX]

Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

People assume that Jesus walked in his omniscience. He did not. He walked as a man. He spoke as a man. However, He was fully led by the Spirit his entire life, and the Spirit revealed things to him as needed. In this statement, he did not know. However, as Handmaid said, he knows now. He is in his fully glory again and knows all that he knew before he limited himself as a man.

 

[DennisTate]

People assume that Jesus walked in his omniscience. He did not. He walked as a man. He spoke as a man. However, He was fully led by the Spirit his entire life, and the Spirit revealed things to him as needed. In this statement, he did not know. However, as Handmaid said, he knows now. He is in his fully glory again and knows all that he knew before he limited himself as a man.

I admit that I could be wrong......
but I am thinking that even now Messiah Yeshua - Jesus does not absolutely know the time of his future Second Coming when he will fulfill his scripture:

Acts 1 11 'Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

 

[DennisTate]

So far none of you seem to understand it...

You have to understand the Jewish marriage customs of the time. It has nothing to do with being omniscient. There are many mansions in my Father' house...I go and prepare a place for you. For where I am, you shall be also...

Yeshua said that no man knows the day or the hour for a reason. It is part of the Jewish marriage. First the groom must pay a bride price for his beloved (which Yeshua did on the cross) and have a contract (covenant). The groom would then pour his beloved a cup of wine. If she drank it, it meant she accepts the proposal. Now that his beloved has accepted, she is now set apart. Then the groom goes away to build a place to live for his beloved (John 14:2-3 I go and prepare a place for you). Only when his father says he is finished can he then go back to get his beloved and bring her back with him.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now this is absolutely fascinating!!!!!!!

Do you suspect that this could be because The Ancient of Days the FAther is raising up a LIONESS Bride who doesn't just want to escape to safety and leave eight billion people to simply fend for themselves?

 

[DennisTate]

He said He didn't and that pretty much settles that.

I think the statement becomes an issue from not understanding that Jesus throughout His life functioned as a real man just like us. He studied scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit and also heard from God directly at times.

He grew in knowledge through out His life as He did so. The scriptures don't tell men about the exact time of His second coming and apparently God had not told Him that directly when He was ministering on earth. The same can be said for us in the Body of Christ.

This says nothing about His lacking complete knowledge now that He is fully glorified and functioning as both God and man.

And - please - no comments about me not believing that Jesus was also God in the flesh. Thanks.

I think that you are correct and I am impressed with the results of this poll so far:

Does even Jesus NOT know exactly when he will return to the earth?
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1. 
   No... Jesus knows everything.
   5 vote(s)
   31.3%
2. *
   Yes... that is what Jesus clearly said!
   10 vote(s)
   62.5%
3. 
   What??????? That sounds really strange to me!
   1 vote(s)
   6.3%

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[timothyu]

Only when his father says he is finished can he then go back to get his beloved and bring her back with him.

Problem is Rev. clearly states the Bride is the New Jerusalem under/in the Kingdom of God. The second choice as guests to the feast are merely that, guests at the union of Bride and King. It's His thing, not ours. We are witnesses to a new creation, invited. It wasn't made specifically for us. God made angels, God made the world, now God makes a new Kingdom.

 

[DennisTate]

So far none of you seem to understand it...

You have to understand the Jewish marriage customs of the time. It has nothing to do with being omniscient. There are many mansions in my Father' house...I go and prepare a place for you. For where I am, you shall be also...

Yeshua said that no man knows the day or the hour for a reason. It is part of the Jewish marriage. First the groom must pay a bride price for his beloved (which Yeshua did on the cross) and have a contract (covenant). The groom would then pour his beloved a cup of wine. If she drank it, it meant she accepts the proposal. Now that his beloved has accepted, she is now set apart. Then the groom goes away to build a place to live for his beloved (John 14:2-3 I go and prepare a place for you). Only when his father says he is finished can he then go back to get his beloved and bring her back with him.

I would love to get your response to this rather unusual theory that I heard in a sermon at a Messianic Gentile Festival of Tabernacles back in 1979?

Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........

... RAN AWAY from Queen Jezebel and her armies?

Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.



Would any of you debaters like to elaborate on the theory that this pastor probably put forward?

This may get your creative juices working:
Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

In 1979 I was at the Worldwide Church of God Festival of Tabernacles / Sukkot in Charlottetown, P. E. I., (at least that is what it was called back in those days)..... .and a Pastor gave a sermon on I Kings chapter 18........ and added some bonus material.

His theory was that Elijah...... had a window of opportunity to set in motion a series of events that would have led to the restoration of the Northern Kingdom of Israel........ but....... in order to do it he had to NOT RUN AWAY TO MT. HOREB???????

(Would anybody here like to take a shot at explaining the probable gist of the theory that that pastor probably elaborated on..... This may help)?:
Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

And yes.... I suspect a possible connection between these subjects???

 

[DennisTate]

Problem is Rev. clearly states the Bride is the New Jerusalem under/in the Kingdom of God. The second choice as guests to the feast are merely that, guests at the union of Bride and King. It's His thing, not ours. We are witnesses to a new creation, invited. It wasn't made specifically for us. God made angels, God made the world, now God makes a new Kingdom.

Or..... is each of us free to rise up much higher in wisdom and understanding in which case we could move up from being merely guests.... to being a part of the Bride????

I would recommend listening to "The Priestly Bride" by Anna Rountree on youtube.

 

[timothyu]

Or..... is each of us free to rise up much higher in wisdom and understanding in which case we could move up from being merely guests.... to being a part of the Bride????

Only by being like those within the city. Most of us it is fair to presume will be outside but still within the Kingdom.

 

[nolidad]

Matthew 24


Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????



This is stated and elaborated on after the seventeen minute mark in this video and this really hit me!!!

Didn't read all the responses, but the answer is no!

He knows the general time, but of the day-No! It is more than interesting that Jesus life and the church
age mirror the Jewish Wedding System.

Jesus chooses His bride
The bride price is paid (his blood)
The groom goes away to prepare a place in HIs fathers house for HIm and His bride (John 14)
The bride prepares herself for her marriage by learning how to please her betrothed husband.(church age)
The father approves of the place the son makes
Tells the son to fetch his bride
The Groom returns quietly to get his bride (the rapture)
The wedding takes place REv.19 ( small ceremony with few if any witnesses.)
Then a big procession to the wedding feast!

So the onlyu thing Jesus is waiting for is the command by the Father to fetch His bride!

 

[Kenny'sID]

We all know Christ said:

King James Bible
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

However, if we choose to lean into our own understanding, man says Christ and God are the same person, and if that is the case, Christ would know as well, yet Christ himself says he does not know, to which many would reply, "It's complicated"

But in reality, it's not the least bit complicated, Christ doesn't, or won't know until the time comes. As to the other lesson there, again, not complicated.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Problem is Rev. clearly states the Bride is the New Jerusalem under/in the Kingdom of God. The second choice as guests to the feast are merely that, guests at the union of Bride and King. It's His thing, not ours. We are witnesses to a new creation, invited. It wasn't made specifically for us. God made angels, God made the world, now God makes a new Kingdom.

No, it is the final bonding of God and man. The marriage supper of the lamb.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It is more than interesting that Jesus life and the church age mirror the Jewish Wedding System.


The Groom returns quietly to get his bride (the rapture)

It is not quietly! Shofarim announce his coming...be prepared...nothing secret about it!

 

[timothyu]

However, if we choose to lean into our own understanding,

And there is the weakness and downfall of man