Perhaps the Time is Now for Republican Leaders to Force Trump to Resign

[Bobber]

Because right-wing Evangelical Trump supporters are not the only Americans entitled to religious liberty.

Are you saying people of a different religion have liberties too? Of course they do. Why should you think evangelical Trump supporters don't accept that?

 

[Halbhh]

I'm not talking about just freedom to worship. I'm talking about the whole range of items which can have to do with religious liberty of which the list can be a myriad of things.

I feel totally free to be Christian here, though of course we will still suffer for Christ He told us. Right? (Ask if you need scripture on that)

 

[JackRT]

Because right-wing Evangelical Trump supporters are not the only Americans entitled to religious liberty.

And also because right-wing Evangelical Trump supporters are not the only Americans who strongly support religious liberty. In fact I think that Democrats may be stronger because they suppport religious freedom for everyone not just Christians.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm not talking about just freedom to worship. I'm talking about the whole range of items which can have to do with religious liberty of which the list can be a myriad of things.

Most of which seem to have to do with imposing religious prejudice on the rest of us.

 

[Bobber]

I feel totally free to be Christian here, though of course we will still suffer for Christ He told us. Right? (Ask if you need scripture on that)

I don't deny that persecution of believers couldn't happen in a more blatant way BUT for the time being if you're an American you live in a very unique country with the idea of "We The People" part of which are Christians. Yes now you might feel free to be a Christian but the ever chipping away of Christians rights to even think a certain way or express certain ideas are being constantly challenged to the point of making the most simple things a crime and subject to fine and penalty.

 

[Speedwell]

I don't deny that persecution of believers couldn't happen in a more blatant way BUT for the time being if you're an American you live in a very unique country with the idea of "We The People" part of which are Christians. Yes now you might feel free to be a Christian but the ever chipping away of Christians rights to even think a certain way or express certain ideas are being constantly challenged to the point of making the most simple things a crime and subject to fine and penalty.

For instance?

 

[Bobber]

Most of which seem to have to do with imposing religious prejudice on the rest of us.

And how so?

 

[Halbhh]

I don't deny that persecution of believers couldn't happen in a more blatant way BUT for the time being if you're an American you live in a very unique country with the idea of "We The People" part of which are Christians. Yes now you might feel free to be a Christian but the ever chipping away of Christians rights to even think a certain way or express certain ideas are being constantly challenged to the point of making the most simple things a crime and subject to fine and penalty.

Well, that's actually the normal I think, the way the world will always be, all the time, outside of a revival and outside of a church, until Christ returns. We learn about that especially in John chapter 15, and the entire chapter is invaluable to us. John 15 NIV

 

[Speedwell]

And how so?

For example, wanting to make abortion, which you think of as a Christian sin, into a crime for everybody else.
For example, wanting to make gay marriage, which you think of as a Christian sin, illegal for everybody else.
For example, wanting special exemption for public businesses you operate from public accommodation laws which apply to everybody else.

 

[JackRT]

A fairly large block of my fellow Christians have what could be called an entitlement mentality. For a great many centuries we Christians have had things our own way and have controlled society to such an extent that we have been able to impose our own agenda without challenge. However, when minority groups started demanding and receiving rights that they had previously been denied, rights that Christians held all along, these same Christians felt threatened and some even claimed that they were being persecuted. Rights and freedoms are not part of a zero-sum game. Expanding them does not thereby reduce them for some other group. For example, extending marriage rights to homosexuals has not reduced the rights of heterosexuals in the slightest way. In reality Christians have lost no rights and are not threatened in any meaningful way. In Canada and the USA Christians are certainly not being persecuted.

 

[hislegacy]

Dozens of Republicans are in those meetings. They can provide the other side of the argument. They are not being silenced. They are silent because they apparently have nothing to say in defense of the president.

not accurate. While in the meetings, they do not have the authority to release the transcripts they have been asking for days to be released.

if you have not heard them, perhaps your news source has a reason for not airing it.

 

[Halbhh]

not accurate. While in the meetings, they do not have the authority to release the transcripts they have been asking for days to be released.

if you have not heard them, perhaps your news source has a reason for not airing it.

We've heard the hearings are closed to protect the governmental employees testifying from being harmed by Trump, and that the transcripts will be released at the end.

One shouldn't worry about it. Both houses of Congress would have to agree Trump should go in order for him to be removed (House to impeach, and Senate to try), and if both do, then it really would be best, in that case.

 

[stevil]

I don't deny that persecution of believers couldn't happen in a more blatant way BUT for the time being if you're an American you live in a very unique country with the idea of "We The People" part of which are Christians. Yes now you might feel free to be a Christian but the ever chipping away of Christians rights to even think a certain way or express certain ideas are being constantly challenged to the point of making the most simple things a crime and subject to fine and penalty.

I'm not a USA person or even an American from the American continent, I live in a western free country with the "unique" idea that "we the people" represents all citizens, which happen to be a diverse mix of races, cultures, religions or non religions, gender identifiers, sexual orientations, wealthy, poor, and inbetween. We respect diversity, respect all people. We aren't divided like USA is, we dont have an extreme far right party that looks to enforce one particular religious belief and religiously based restrictions on society. We don't accept that religious belief gives people the religious right to discriminate. People living together in a diverse society need to learn to play nicely with each other, but beyond that, all are free to affiliate with a religion of their choice, they are free to change religious affilliation, free to openly pray and celebrate their religions holidays and events, free to perform their religious rituals as they like.

I consider in USA that the Democrats share these values of freedom, and diversity and anti discrimination. For those religious people who don't think Democrats support religious freedom, I take it that they want to discriminate and that they like the Republican party because they support Christian based discrimination of others.

 

[hislegacy]

For example, wanting to make abortion, which you think of as a Christian sin, into a crime for everybody else.

example: murder is a “Christian sin” that turned into a crime for everyone else.

same with assault, theft, perjury, Rape, torture, larceny.

shall we abolish those crimes also?

 

[hislegacy]

We've heard the hearings are closed to protect the governmental

question have you heard the daily calls from the Minority for transparency? Have you heard the reports from the minority saying the opening statements were debunked under questioning.

If you haven’t, you should ask why your news source has not reported the full story.

 

[essentialsaltes]

not accurate.

Yes accurate. Republicans have mouths. They've been known to flap them all over the place.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Have you heard the reports from the minority saying the opening statements were debunked under questioning.

See? They have mouths after all.

 

[stevil]

question have you heard the daily calls from the Minority for transparency? Have you heard the reports from the minority saying the opening statements were debunked under questioning.

Yes, absolutely. The non far right media cover all this stuff as well, even claims and assertions of what Republicans make.

The time for cross examinations and debunking will come, when the charges are made and both sides present their cases in a public arena. Will be interesting to watch.

 

[hislegacy]

Yes accurate. Republicans have mouths. They've been known to flap them all over the place.

reported by the Democratic media 1 in 40 times verses releases from the Majority

if they are flapping their mouths all over the place

why is that?

 

[Speedwell]

example: murder is a “Christian sin” that turned into a crime for everyone else.

same with assault, theft, perjury, Rape, torture, larceny.

shall we abolish those crimes also?

They were already crimes for everybody else.