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Impossible to break laws that were nailed to the cross and no longer exist.

The Law of the Most High God was nailed to the cross because "Christ" is the literal embodiment if the Word of God.

As many times as the Most High God says His Law is perpetial, and as many times as the Word of God Himself says the Law of God will not pass away until heaven and earth do, how do you get that the Law of the Most High God no longer exists? Who told you thatm
 
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Whoever says we can break the Law of the Most High God and live is lying.


And that is false. People break the law all the time and don't die. Even in the OT when the Mosaic law still existed, only some laws resulted in death when broken but certainly not all.

Christ gave two examples where the law was broken and the ones who did it was blameless. That is a simple historical fact that cannot be denied.
 
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The Law of the Most High God was nailed to the cross because "Christ" is the literal embodiment if the Word of God.

Christ is not symbolic of the Mosaic law. The law was nailed to the cross because that's where it's purpose ended and a new law was to begin.
 
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And that is false. People break the law all the time and don't die.

We are already dead; we rot to death every day, and we must eat to sustain our metabolism, and our biological mass - otherwise we would be dead already. That is not life, and when the Redeemer said "I come to give you life abundantly" He didn't mean living for a century in a rotting meat sack with no unique spirit of its own. He meant you to be Perfect.

Adam and Eve both died in spirit immediately, and eventually rotted to death in body because they sinned once.

Even in the OT when the Mosaic law still existed, only some laws resulted in death when broken but certainly not all.

We are already dead; your death is always about the spiritual death. David knew that the Most High God would not leave his soul in hell forever - but would redeem him (and all of His people) through His literal Word. The Law was given to us so that we can behave as a Holy people despite our carnality: the point was to separate us from the world. You cannot break the Law of the Most High God and live.

Christ gave two examples where the law was broken and the ones who did it was blameless. That is a simple historical fact that cannot be denied.

Who said they broke the Law? Humans have said this as a justification for something - of which I don't know. If you are saying Christ broke the Law under the Most High God, you are erroneous. If you mean He broke one of the little dogmatic laws humans can't seem to stop making, then sure He did - as He should. His Law (because He is the Law) is higher than any man-made dogma those pharisees were trying to hold Him to.
 
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Christ is not symbolic of the Mosaic law. The law was nailed to the cross because that's where it's purpose ended and a new law was to begin.

The Law never ended; show on place where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself ever said that the Law ended/has been made null/is void.

One place from either of these two Authorities on the Law - the only Authorities on the Law.


I never said Christ was the symbol for the Mosaic Law or the Law of the Most High God. I said The Redeemer is the Law of God because He is the Word of God in the Flesh. The Word of God does not contradict Himself - otherwise, why are you worshiping Him?
 
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The Law of the Most High God was nailed to the cross because "Christ" is the literal embodiment if the Word of God.
Jesus never said "I am the Law of God" but he did say I am the way, the truth, and the life. God is said to be Love but God is never said to be Law. The idea that God the Word is code for "God is Law" is not true.
 
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Jesus never said "I am the Law of God" but he did say I am the way, the truth, and the life. God is said to be Love but God is never said to be Law. The idea that God the Word is code for "God is Law" is not true.

He is the Word of God - Literally. Anything that has been said by God was said by Him... because He is the Word of God. This is why it is important to understand Moses gave/produced no Law: The Most High God through the Word of God spoke to Moses and instructed him to give it to the Hebrews.

No man has seen the Most High God and lived, and yet Moses saw... [the back of] the Lord. How? Because it was the literal image of God: the Word of God known as "GOD WITH US".


In the beginning was the Word of God, and the Word of God was with the Most High God, and the Word was the Most High God. Anything that was made was made by Him.
 
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I'm saying if you want to be the Son of the Most High God, He has outlined His requirements. The Word of God came back as a way for us to understand the grace we have (His perfection redeems the human race) so that we can freely be obedient to the Most High God without the worry of breaking one law and being condemned.

Circumcision, as well as all Law, is something we are called to discuss and work out with our Father on a personal level. The point is to be obedient to His Law because you love Him - just like a Child obeys their parents because they love them (not because they are scared of their condemnation). You want to follow the rules of your parents because you trust and have faith that their rules are for your benefit - since they loved you first.

Whoever says we can break the Law of the Most High God and live is lying.
Can I trim my beard?

Can I get a tattoo?

Can I give my slave a whooping?

Can I eat pork?

Can I eat shellfish?

Can I take a bribe?
 
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Can I trim my beard?

Can I get a tattoo?

Can I give my slave a whooping?

Can I eat pork?

Can I eat shellfish?

Can I take a bribe?

You can do whatever you desire within the boundary the Most High God has provided you. If you want to be a son of the Most high God, however, these would be sins - falling short of His standards He set for His people.

If you are just someone on this plane of existence - with no allegiance to the Most High God - then I would imagine doing any of these things you mentioned would be up to the god you worship (even if it means ego).


But, before you even get to the point of what you are supposed to do, you have to realize you are supposed to be obedient in the first place. Then, you realize what happens if you don't live up to His standard. Immediately after that, you realize the grace you have in not being condemned - since the Word of God Himself Redeemed us with His resurrection. Finally, you work until you die to stay upright in the Law of the Most High God - even if you continuously fail to live up to the standard. You should consider it practice for the age to come when we are resurrected to perfection. Sanctification takes a lifetime, and that is part of "bearing your cross". Some people have done every single thing you have mentioned, and all other sorts of abominations and sins. Yet, they can still be redeemed. The Law isn't the focus: you should want to be perfect and upright before the Most High God because you love Him - just like you try to be upright before your parents because you love them.
 
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The religious teachers of Jesus day said he broke the sabbath. He healed a man and told the man he healed to rise up and carry his bed. So the religious teachers were sure he broke the sabbath and taught others to do so. Would you advise a person to carry their bed on the day that you count as the Sabbath?

Jesus lived in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he was much more zealous for obedience to it than they were. It is contradictory to believe both that the Pharisees were correct about Jesus breaking the Sabbath by healing on it and that Jesus was correct about it being lawful to heal on the Sabbath. It is lawful to heal on the Sabbath, therefore the Pharisees were incorrect in thinking that Jesus had broken it.

That is true only of Israel. Yahweh commanded Israel to keep Sabbath. Jesus didn't command Christians to keep it. Nor did the apostles. Nor did Paul.

If you want to be a stickler about what was only for Israel, then in Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel. A Christian is by definition a follower of Christ and Christ followed the Sabbath, so that is what His followers also do. Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of Christ, including repenting from breaking the Sabbath. Furthermore, Jesus Gentiles are not permitted to sin, sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law, and God's Law commands to keep the Sabbath holy, therefore Gentiles are commanded to keep the Sabbath holy.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which straightforwardly includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3). In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul was encouraging the Colossians to continue keeping God's Sabbaths holy in obedience to His commands in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow and to not let any man judge them and keep them from obeying God. In Acts 15:21, it has the expectation that Gentiles would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues, which implies that they were expected to keep the Sabbath holy.

Paul said the Law is like a master disciplining children, enforcing rules, making them obey with threats and punishments. But grace works differently and the Spirit of God is not a spirit of fear nor of enforced obedience but of freedom.

In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so that is how God is gracious to us. The word "Torah" means "instruction", though it can be translated as "law" when instructions come with penalties for not following them, however when those penalties our removed by Jesus paying them on our behalf, it still remains instructions for how to walk in God's ways, which all followers of God should seek to do by faith. The fact that Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins should make us want to go and sin no more, and should not make us want to go back to living in sin.

In Psalms 119:45, God's Law is a law of freedom. The reason why the land of the free is not also the land where there are no laws is because we can abuse our freedoms. So true freedom is not the freedom to do whatever we want, but the freedom to do what we ought. Good legislatures don't create laws with the goal of limiting our freedoms, but with the goal of enhancing them, and no one knows better than God how we ought to live, so we must be like violins who trust God to tie down our strings in order to make music.

The Law cannot make you holy. It didn't make Israel holy. It failed. It was given in part to fail so that no one would boast of their obedience as proof of their worthiness before God. So avoid the Law as proof of personal holiness it isn't what makes a person godly.

God did not fail, but rather the His Law does what it was given to do and does not do what it was not given to, and can't fail for a purpose for which it never given. So we are not made holy by obeying the Law because it was never given for that purpose, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't obey it for the purposes for which it was given. It is not as thought the fact that we are not made holy by obeying God means that we don't need to obey God.

Nowhere does the Bible say that the Law was given in so that no one would boast of their obedience as proof of their worthiness before God. Abraham was justified by faith long before the Law was given, so God had no need to provide an alternative an unattainable means of becoming justified through obedience to the Law, so it was never given for that purpose. Even if someone manages to live in perfect outward obedience to the Law, then they still wouldn't be justified by their obedience because it was never given for that purpose.

But Jesus healed on the Sabbath, preached on the Sabbath, commanded others to 'work' on the Sabbath, happily observed his own disciples satisfy their hunger by harvesting and threshing on the Sabbath. Sabbatarians know of these examples but do not take them to heart so they make Sabbath keeping a Law for their followers. Jesus didn't do that. He didn't command his followers to keep the Sabbath.

The Sabbath for Christians is Jesus. He is their rest. They rest from works of obedience to the law. They don't run amok breaking every commandment but neither do they measure their godliness by keeping the Law as if it could do them any good whatever.

In Matthew 12:5, Jesus said that priests who performed their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, so there were some forms of work that were never intended to be understood as being prohibited by the Sabbath, but there are still other forms of work that are prohibited by the Sabbath. Jesus lived in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to become his disciples and to learn from him how to obey the Law, not inviting people to refuse to follow him. By saying that we would find rest for our souls, he remezed Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls. This rest for our souls comes from having faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live through His Law.
 
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Jesus lived in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he was much more zealous for obedience to it than they were.

Yet he broke the Sabbath and many of God's rules concerning it because he had a moral purpose to do so, and his disciples as well.
 
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What was the purpose of the Law...?

Does it still have that same purpose today...?

If so, how should we then treat it (the Law) or go about it in our ways today, etc...?

Is it still supposed to be binding to us today...? Or freeing...?

Then, how can the Law be freeing to us today...?

The Spirit of it or the letter of it...

Is the Spirit of it different from the letter of it...?

God Bless!
 
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Jesus broke the Sabbath without blame which means he had a moral reason to break it that meant he was not guilty of any wrong doing.

So yes, Christ and his disciples broke the Sabbath in multiple ways:

Traveling is forbidden on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), gathering is forbidden (Numbers 15:36), and not having enough food for two days is required so gathering food is two ways to break the Sabbath (Exodus 16:22) so that's three ways Christ and his disciples broke the law regarding the Sabbath. They were also working on the Sabbath but healing and saving people or animals was always allowed as work that should be done even on the Sabbath.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.


Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.



Jesus did break the Sabbath but he did so without blame. Christ gave two other examples of the Sabbath being broken without it being sinful as a further defense. He also is the Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath laws don't even apply to him anyways so he could break the Sabbath without it being sinful.



Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

The command is to remain in your place and not leave. If you travel somewhere for personal reasons you are breaking this command.

Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Num 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Num 15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Gathering on the Sabbath is not allowed, whether it's sticks or food/grains.

Exo 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

It is not allowed to gather any food on the Sabbath because it was commanded to gather double the day before.

All these three commands were broken by Christ and his disciples, yet without blame or sin.
 
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Yet he broke the Sabbath and many of God's rules concerning it because he had a moral purpose to do so, and his disciples as well.

Sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4), God's Law commands to keep the Sabbath holy, and Jesus was sinless, therefore he never broke the Sabbath. To suggest that he did break the Sabbath is to suggest that he sinned and therefore disqualified himself from being our Savior.

A number of God's laws appear to conflict with each other, such as what happened when someone wanted to obey the command to circumcise their baby on the 8th day and it happened to fall on the Sabbath. However, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commandments no matter what they chose to do, but that one of the commandments was never intended to prevent the other from being obeyed. This is why in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests were held innocent for performing their duties on the Sabbath and why David and his men were held innocent for eating the showbread. Jesus criticized the Pharisees for condemning the innocent, so they were innocent of breaking the Sabbath.

The group of Pharisees had seen that it was unlawful to work on the Sabbath and had reasoned that healing was work, therefore it is unlawful to heal on the Sabbath. However, we are also commanded to love our neighbor and it would not be loving our neighbor to refuse to heal them. No command was intended to be used as an excuse to avoid obeying the greatest two commandments, which is why Jesus ruled that it was lawful to heal on the Sabbath, so he was not breaking the Sabbath by doing so.
 
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But not words from God, not scripture. Jesus is not the bible.

Correct. The bible is a canonical text; we already know everything He said can't be contained in texts. However, what is in the canon is enough to show He never changed the obligation to the Law.

The Word of God was promised to us - to be placed on our hearts and minds - by the New Covenant in Jeremiah. But really, He was promised to us in Genesis 3:15 - and as He said He would do, He has given us a Comforter to convict us, teach us and keep us upright in the Law of the Most High God.
 
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Sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4), God's Law commands to keep the Sabbath holy, and Jesus was sinless, therefore he never broke the Sabbath. To suggest that he did break the Sabbath is to suggest that he sinned and therefore disqualified himself from being our Savior.

A number of God's laws appear to conflict with each other, such as what happened when someone wanted to obey the command to circumcise their baby on the 8th day and it happened to fall on the Sabbath. However, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commandments no matter what they chose to do, but that one of the commandments was never intended to prevent the other from being obeyed. This is why in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests were held innocent for performing their duties on the Sabbath and why David and his men were held innocent for eating the showbread. Jesus criticized the Pharisees for condemning the innocent, so they were innocent of breaking the Sabbath.

The group of Pharisees had seen that it was unlawful to work on the Sabbath and had reasoned that healing was work, therefore it is unlawful to heal on the Sabbath. However, we are also commanded to love our neighbor and it would not be loving our neighbor to refuse to heal them. No command was intended to be used as an excuse to avoid obeying the greatest two commandments, which is why Jesus ruled that it was lawful to heal on the Sabbath, so he was not breaking the Sabbath by doing so.
The law is holy, just, and good.

Exodus 21:20-21
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

So I can buy a slave and give that slave a severe whooping but not kill the slave. Am I still a righteous person in the law?
 
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Correct. The bible is a canonical text; we already know everything He said can't be contained in texts. However, what is in the canon is enough to show He never changed the obligation to the Law.

The Word of God was promised to us - to be placed on our hearts and minds - by the New Covenant in Jeremiah. But really, He was promised to us in Genesis 3:15 - and as He said He would do, He has given us a Comforter to convict us, teach us and keep us upright in the Law of the Most High God.
The real problem is we are wicked, law breaking, self obsessed people, and that is the truth.

We live lives of overeating, obesity, laziness, we love sport and fashion. We do the minimal required for any poor person and avoid at all costs the difficult, problem people. The number of times I have seen Christian people slipping past the person with head problems. I could not count and everyone seems to do it.

We don't really care about widows and orphans. In fact, I had a flatmate who was an orphan and one of the worst flatmates I have ever had.

Going to church once a week is an ordeal for most Christians. Put a prayer meeting on during the week and see how many people attend.

Did someone say KFC?
 
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The law is holy, just, and good.

Exodus 21:20-21
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

So I can buy a slave and give that slave a severe whooping but not kill the slave. Am I still a righteous person in the law?

Your Father knows your intention; you can't just "pharisee" your way through the Law. If you get an slave who gives themselves up to be used for exchange of money or forgiveness of debt, then you need to follow the Law of God accordingly. You don't have to hit your slave - but if you do, it better be in line with the Most High God.

The workplace treats employees worse than slaves for many industries, and many people actually do get abused on the job and take it. People who work for their money are already slaves, because they have no fortune/inheritance of their own that will sustain them for the rest of their lives; this system of slavery has been in place since we abdicated our God-given dominion on this plane of existence. The Most High God showed the Hebrews how to be holy even within such a system.
 
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The real problem is we are wicked, law breaking, self obsessed people, and that is the truth.

We live lives of overeating, obesity, laziness, we love sport and fashion. We do the minimal required for any poor person and avoid at all costs the difficult, problem people. The number of times I have seen Christian people slipping past the person with head problems. I could not count and everyone seems to do it.

We don't really care about widows and orphans. In fact, I had a flatmate who was an orphan and one of the worst flatmates I have ever had.

Going to church once a week is an ordeal for most Christians. Put a prayer meeting on during the week and see how many people attend.

Did someone say KFC?

Well, this is true. But, we aren't hopeless yet.
 
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