The Normalizing Of Bastard Children

[A_Thinker]

That’s silly and abusive to mistreat and label children for a mistake their parents did . I thoughtGod’s word forbid abusing the fatherless. Dear Abby said it best about 50 years ago. There are no illegitimate children just irregular parental relationships.

I recall that Jesus was called a bastard ... and that such is the position of Orthodox Judaism to this day.

I also recall that Jesus said this ...

Matthew 18

1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 Jesus invited a little child to stand among them. 3 “Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me.

6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7 Woe to the world for the causes of sin. These stumbling blocks must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

 

[Anguspure]

I think it's bad and reckless. I do know the type of women you are talking about btw. Most of them where spoiled rich girls.

The best thing we can do is pray that these women become good and responsible mothers.

Also, A child should not be faulted for the sins/mistakes of their parents and at the same time we should also take in note that just because we believe in Jesus doesn't mean we are automatically better people than anyone else. There are many Christians who are such horrible people, regardless of what they believe.

I don't like calling children "bastards", because in our vocabulary it has become derogatory and offensive to others. You can say "the Bible says it" but you have to understand the difference in times. These where times where many cultures took importance to inheritance (ex: the King's son would inherit the throne) hence the word "bastard" may not have been as offensive to people back then.

Furthermore it is an English word used to translate a Hebrew one, and English is definitely not the language of YHWH

 

[A_Thinker]

Where did you get that < "all judgment and no grace" > from ?

James 2

13 For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

 

[A_Thinker]

Do you have a view on if it's good or bad that the single mums got their bastard child rather than be married?

There is no sin in bearing a child. The sin is in conceiving a child outside of marriage.

But that sin does not fall upon the children, but upon the parents ...

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

 

[A_Thinker]

Dude why are venting so much at me over a generic question?

If you've made some bad choices in life you need to accept it and move on. If you're content then why some much protest. Take council with God over it.

Espousing God's Word is venting ?

If that is the case, then Jesus, His Apostles, and the prophets were venters extraordinaire ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Yet also remember He did not save any of the parentless or the fatherless at the time of the flood.

Yes ... He did not save anyone that wasn't in Noah's immediate family. That includes a lot of kids with intact families ...

 

[A_Thinker]

The neat thing about "ignore" here on CF is that you will not even be aware of that person's presence on a thread because if someone quotes him, even that quote won't show up as part of the answer on my feed.

I pray that the Lord will soften his heart one day so he will know what it is to love others as much as he loves himself. To truly feel love burning in his heart for others.

PS: And I'm also offering a prayer for those he hurts in his journey along that way.

That is, indeed, good to know.

I'll add my prayers to yours expressed here ...

 

[dqhall]

God casts our sins as far as the east is from the west. If we choose to identify other Christians by their sin (or by their parents' sin) instead of as our brothers and sisters in Christ, what kind of example to the world are we setting of who God is? What kind of example is that to young believers, or to our children, of who God is?
And for unwed parents outside the Church, as Christians, we're also examples to the world of the character of Christ. We represent Him. If we call a single mother a harlot (whether she is a Christian or not), what kind of person are we saying that Christ is? Christ wouldn't condone her fornication (indeed, He would call her to repentance). But seeing as Christ protected an adulterous woman from being stoned to death I don't think would call such a woman a harlot.

I wasn't condoning fornication, adultery, or what have you. Our sinful nature is not an excuse, but it is an explanation. We live in a fallen world. We shouldn't turn a blind eye, but we shouldn't be shocked when people sin.

Furthermore, Christians should look at non-Christians with compassion. Without God's grace, we may very well be in the same boat as them. We should also look at our siblings in Christ with compassion, regardless of who they were or what they did before they knew Christ, because who they were is not who they are now. Christ gave them a new identity, so we should treat them accordingly.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. - Jesus

 

[A_Thinker]

To be honest I just saw your post making excuses for fornication. Like better children to be born than aborted, yes of course but if you do have a "unplanned pregnancy" and Mr E disappears never seen to again after you both had your fun,don't complain if get the title of harlot and the child a bastard.

It's only right because you did it to yourself. Amen?

The servant of God must eschew judgementalism ...

Luke 7

36 Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table.

37 When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume,

38 and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is--that she is a sinner."

40 Jesus answered him, "Simon, I have something to tell you." "Tell me, teacher," he said.

41 "Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.

42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?"

43 Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled." "You have judged correctly," Jesus said.

44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.

45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet.

46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet.

47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little."

48 Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"

50 Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

 

[DamianWarS]

although a bastard technically can be anyone born out of wedlock I think what it greater represents are those born who are fatherless from premarital relations, a worse case would be someone who prostituted themselves. However, even in Jewish law, an illegitimate could become legitimate through adoption because after adoption takes place their old life is meaningless and they get full privilege in their new which is a powerful (and deliberate) spiritual metaphor.

What the law identifies are removing these fatherless from the community and unable to partake of its blessings. Since the law always points to Christ I can't help but think that without Christ we too are fatherless and bastards and we too are stripped of the blessings of the gospel since we are not partakers of it. In this context bastards are those without the Father, meaning outside of God and without Christ, so are removed from being called sons of God; as Lazuras is embraced by Abraham at his side as his son but the rich man is the bastard and rejected.

the redeeming aspect of the OP (if any at all) is a call to seek Christ as we are all bastards without him. The OP seems to be using it to find a reason to reject others and although scripture does have a separation of sheep/goats redeem/unredeemed or legitimate/illegitimate our role and mission is not to reject but to show the bastards their Father.

 

[A_Thinker]

re the title: Can or should ANY child be "NORMALIZED" ?! Since most children are sinful and unclean, what would a "normalized" child be then ?

All humanity is cursed by sin. Normalization (for men, women, and children) comes through salvation through Christ ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Ok David you answer me this.

If all that your saying is accurate then why did God say in Deuteronomy he doesn't accept bastard children?

Old Testament LAW.

Christians (i.e. God's New Testament people) ... are not under such LAW ...

Romans 7

1 Do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives?
...

4 Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

 

[A_Thinker]

Well I think it's very reasonable to judge people based on their behaviour. That's what God will do and it's fair,if a person feels shame for what they do.....don't do it.

Then you are not following in the footsteps of Christ ...

John 12

46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in Me should remain in darkness.

47 As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

 

[A_Thinker]

I was a teenager when I found out that my father had been divorced, and his first wife remained single for the rest of her life. So even though my parents married, I may have been born a bastard. (Marriage while the first spouse lives, is adultery) But I know I am saved and filled with His Spirit.

God bless you ...

 

[A_Thinker]

In the Hebrew/Jewish scriptures "unclean" does not necessarily imply fault of any sort but refers to what is acceptable for ritual purposes mainly in the temple.

Yes ... it, essentially, means ... imperfect.

Which, per Paul in Romans 3, includes ALL of humankind ...

Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

 

[A_Thinker]

Paul gave lots of bad advice.

Jesus has never blinded anyone with darkness.
He is light.

Just food for thought ...

Extreme light can blind ...

Do you think that such an understanding can be applied to such as the unbelieving Pharisees and Jewish leaders who brought about Jesus' death ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Paul gave lots of bad advice.

Can you an example of such ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Why do you think YHWH forbade eunuchs, illegitimate and those with deformities from entering the presence of the Lord in the OT?

Because ... they were clearly (visibly) ... imperfect.

Of course, today, per Paul, ... we have a deeper understanding ...

Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

 

[A Realist]

I recommend using a KJV, it's the only way to get Gods message.

Your ignorant feelings about bastards notwithstanding, this is your personal opinion.

And IMPO, it's crap.

 

[AlexDTX]

Some people might complain about the word Bastard being used but I just want to say this is Gods language so it can never be unclean so please respect that. The problem is Christians have been influenced by the heathens of this world and been persuaded to abandon Gods clean sacred language. Here are some verses:

Deuteronomy 23 2
''A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.''


hebrews 12:7-8
''If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.''


So God clearly wants children to enter into the world in a certain manner. Just wandering if people here think having a Bastard child is acceptable or marriage before the child's birth is essential? The world keeps pushing for more and more of Gods will to be eliminated,please bear in mind this ultimately is an issue of how adults and potential parents conduct themselves,not an attack on children so curious how the forum felt on this issue. Thanks.

I almost got banned because I told someone their children born out of wedlock were bastards.

Words that aren't censored, but may be considered violations

Personally, we need to restore shame in our society as a deterrent to immorality. Sadly this term condemns the child who is innocent of the immorality.