The Normalizing Of Bastard Children

Are Bastard children acceptable?

  • Yes, I had some

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • yes,people can do what that want even if it opposes Gods law

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • No. All my kids are Blessed (Born in wedlock)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • No,Gods will is for children to be born in wedlock.

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .

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In the Hebrew/Jewish scriptures "unclean" does not necessarily imply fault of any sort but refers to what is acceptable for ritual purposes mainly in the temple.

Exactly. Unclean simply meant you weren’t supposed to come into God’s presence which is sacred space.
 
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Exactly. Unclean simply meant you weren’t supposed to come into God’s presence which is sacred space.
You can be unclean for having your period, you can also be unclean for touching a dead body. These are things that have to happen. Someone has to bury the dead and women have their period.

EDIT: This was what happened in the OT. I’m not advocating this view but merely stating facts.
 
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You can be unclean for having your period, you can also be unclean for touching a dead body. These are things that have to happen. Someone has to bury the dead and women have their period.

This post reminded me that present day Jews have a beautiful ritual in preparing a body for burial. Ritual can be extremely important.

Ties That Bind --- the Jewish ritual of preparing the body for burial is a tradition of sacred fellowship --- by Michelle Friedman

It is early morning when the call I dread but expect comes. Hastily, I dress in somber, practical clothing and rearrange my work schedule for the day. I know the routine--as a member of my synagogue's chevra kadisha, burial society, I have been through this sad drill before. But this time a cloud of disbelief hangs over me. I am going to prepare a friend for her grave. As I hurry up Amsterdam Avenue to the funeral home, the roar of the street disorients me. I feel disconnected from such vitality, such an embrace from the day. The sight of the other five chevra members who gather at the side of the door of the chapel with their stricken faces comforts me. We all knew the woman whose cancer-ravaged body lies below. We lived in the same neighborhood, watched our children tumble together in the playground, shared countless conversations.

Bypassing the old-world lobby with its regal moldings and marble floor, we descend a narrow staircase into a morbid basement emporium where the grim purpose of this place is all too clear. I try not to look, but my eye is invariably drawn to the tiny coffins; the delicately adorned, ivory-toned ones that could be jewelry boxes but I know await the death of a baby. Just a few steps take us onto cement flooring and we enter a small room whose function seems janitorial. It is dominated by a white slab of a porcelain table. The mais, the body, is wheeled in on a gurney and positioned next to the table. Carefully and tenderly, the six of us lift the body of our friend onto the cold, hard surface and begin our work. The procedure is a supremely respectful one. The mais is kept covered at all times. We make a drape of sheets before cutting off the hospital gown. Next, we remove all stigmata of final illness, indignity or unnatural intervention. The body will be returned to nature, delivered to the ground, without bandages or catheters. We, in the women's chevra, frequently perform half-manicures, taking off chipped nail polish and swabbing grime from beneath stiffened fingernails. We do not pass materials over the mais--all necessary items are handed around the side of the table. This body once housed a living spirit and our ritual honors that sanctity.

Conversation is minimal. Each of us hovers on the brink of tears. We rely on the ceremonial practicality of our task and the group's complicity to maintain composure. We confine speech to the practical; requesting materials, shifting limb positions, agreeing that we can go on to the next step. We wash the mais in a cascade of water poured in a continuous stream from buckets held, for the first time, overhead. Now we must dry and dress her. We pat the body with cloth, change the drape, and shake out the package of coarse linen burial shrouds; the tachrichim are trimmed with lace. The job of dressing the mais is difficult. We struggle with the body's dead weight as we pull on each garment and then wind and tie the closing ribbons. Ironic how these shrouds fasten with the same bows as the miniature kimonos used to dress newborns in hospital nurseries.

I remember how I was recruited for this task. A dozen years before, at the end of a synagogue service, one of the women who works alongside me today tapped me on the shoulder. "Michelle," she said. "We need people for the women's chevra. You're a doctor--you can do it." True, I had seen death during my professional training but still I harbored countless terrors of the grave. This was a different opportunity to confront and explore my fears. I agreed to try it out.

Chevra kadisha. Literally translated, sacred fellowship. The ancient religious obligation of burial derives from spare biblical verses concerning the proper disposition of dead criminals. Some chevras can trace their histories back hundreds of years. Each involves its own rituals and customs. One of ours is the knotting style we use to fasten the drawstrings. The six of us who comprise today's chevra group form pairs on either end of the set of ribbons. We wind, counting in Hebrew, our prescribed number of turns and form a half-bow. All the closures are done except one.

The plain pine coffin is ready. Sprinkled inside is a handful of soil from the land of Israel. We lower the body of our friend into the wooden box that will cradle her into the earth. We make final adjustments--straightening a crease, passing a mittened hand. The coffin cover is placed but not fixed. The chevra is still. Tears spill over as we recite a brief prayer asking for forgiveness for any indiscreet word, thought, or gesture any of us may have committed during our task.

Pallbearers now, we wheel the coffin into the crowded entry where a shomer, a watcher, sits, reciting Psalms. The body has been attended this way since the moment of death. Two women from the family of the deceased await us. We move the pine cover over so they can perform a last tender gesture, a final intimate rite for their sister. Holding hands, they wind and tie the ribbons of the open bootie. Ties of love, ties that bind the anguish of broken hearts so that healing can begin.
 
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Some people might complain about the word Bastard being used but I just want to say this is Gods language so it can never be unclean so please respect that. The problem is Christians have been influenced by the heathens of this world and been persuaded to abandon Gods clean sacred language. Here are some verses:

Deuteronomy 23 2
''A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.''


hebrews 12:7-8
''If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.''


So God clearly wants children to enter into the world in a certain manner. Just wandering if people here think having a Bastard child is acceptable or marriage before the child's birth is essential? The world keeps pushing for more and more of Gods will to be eliminated,please bear in mind this ultimately is an issue of how adults and potential parents conduct themselves,not an attack on children so curious how the forum felt on this issue. Thanks.


The law brings death. We all know that hogwash.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it
 
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Well I think it's very reasonable to judge people based on their behaviour.

“Do not judge others, so that God will not judge you, 2 for God will judge you in the same way you judge others, and he will apply to you the same rules you apply to others. 3 Why, then, do you look at the speck in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the log in your own eye?

Matt 7:1-3 GNT
 
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Here are some verses:

Deuteronomy 23 2
''A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.''

The illustration is regarding other religions. Not step brothers.
 
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Well I think it's very reasonable to judge people based on their behaviour.

Yes you do.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

Proverbs 16:2
All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the spirit.

Jeremiah 20
O Lord of hosts, who tests the righteous, who sees the heart and the mind, let me see your vengeance upon them, for to you have I committed my cause.
 
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You can be unclean for having your period, you can also be unclean for touching a dead body. These are things that have to happen. Someone has to bury the dead and women have their period.
if some jerk told me that I was unclean because I was having my period , I’d have to leave the room before he got slapped . Women have periods because we don’t go into heat like a dog would . Our ability to have sex isn’t coupled to our fertility
 
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You can be unclean for having your period, you can also be unclean for touching a dead body. These are things that have to happen. Someone has to bury the dead and women have their period.
That is all obsolete bunk.

It's true that it is history. But it is obsolete health practice.
 
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i think i read someplace in the Bible that God frowns upon the institution of marriage but will allow it with certain rules attached. which makes me wonder if God prefers humans to have children out of wedlock. i'd hate to think that's it but i do wonder.
Hi Miggles, the institution of marriage was established by God before our progenitors fell, and the Lord confirmed the institution of marriage for us again in the NT.

Where does God frown* on marriage in the Bible, OT or New :scratch:

*(He does frown on both fornication and adultery .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Thanks!

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1 Thessalonians 4
3 This is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God.

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i think i read someplace in the Bible that God frowns upon the institution of marriage but will allow it with certain rules attached. which makes me wonder if God prefers humans to have children out of wedlock. i'd hate to think that's it but i do wonder.

That is taken out of context. You are referring to 1 Corinthians 7, I think, where Paul wishes they would remain unmarried, unless they burn with lust. But the only reason was because of the persecution, and one is more able to focus on spreading the gospel if not focused on their spouse. He also says that if you do marry you have not sinned. Anything God "frowns" upon would be sin.
 
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Exactly. Unclean simply meant you weren’t supposed to come into God’s presence which is sacred space.

A historical fact. Not something God needs.
 
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That is taken out of context. You are referring to 1 Corinthians 7, I think, where Paul wishes they would remain unmarried, unless they burn with lust. But the only reason was because of the persecution, and one is more able to focus on spreading the gospel if not focused on their spouse. He also says that if you do marry you have not sinned. Anything God "frowns" upon would be sin.
Paul gave lots of bad advice.

Jesus has never blinded anyone with darkness.
He is light.
 
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Paul gave lots of bad advice.
Especially when it came to women.
If this is truly the case, shouldn't every word of St. Paul's be immediately stricken from the Holy Writ?

If not, why not?

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--David

Galatians 3
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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Some people might complain about the word Bastard being used but I just want to say this is Gods language so it can never be unclean so please respect that. The problem is Christians have been influenced by the heathens of this world and been persuaded to abandon Gods clean sacred language.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Not bastards though?)

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”(Not bastards though?)

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.(Not bastards though?)

Romans 10:9-10
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.(Not bastards though?)

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.(Not bastards though?)

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.(Not bastards though?)
 
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