Ruining the Earth.

[JacksBratt]

What happens if we are changing the composition of the atmosphere?

The contribution of gases to the atmosphere that induce temperature rise is not just from CO2. Below are the direct measurement of CO2 into the atmosphere as measured by NOAA.

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Maybe give this guy a listen.. He has a lot of experience in this sort of thing.. and a good message.

 

[Kaon]

Maybe give this guy a listen.. He has a lot of experience in this sort of thing.. and a good message.

I have said several times before if what is going on is "climate change," it is a periodic change that is part of a geological cycle. AGW is political.

Now, I actually don't believe it is global warming/climate change or a periodic/natural change in geology. What is happening is something else. But, it definitely isn't anthropocentric, and if people think it is in any measurable part, the economies should be collapsed and coalesced to fix the problem. (But, that wont happen; banks are still giving out short/long term loans.) All of this talking is bovine excrement. The psychological and psycho-social daggers are irrelevant.

The "solution to 'global warming/climate change'" is very simple, yet.

 

[gideon123]

Greetings to the Kiwis and Aussies on this forum. It is interesting to see people from downunder here, I dont remember anyone joining from Aust or NZ before. Welcome!

Here is one point. Australia is having a very rough time with droughts. This is causing very bad bush fires every summer ... dangerous to life and property. And very destructive to the ecosystem.

Australia is not alone. California, Portugal and Canada have also had very similar problems. The droughts are linked to climate change. This problem was not anticipated by scientists when the original theory of Climate Change was proposed. It is an example of the destructive things that can happen ... but they are hard to foresee. We live in a complex world.

Personally I think theae unexpected risks pose a bigger problem than topics such as "sea level change". That is why I said earlier that discussion of ocean levels is giving the general public a "skewed viewpoint" about Climate Change.

 

[klutedavid]

Maybe give this guy a listen.. He has a lot of experience in this sort of thing.. and a good message.

I listened to this fellow and I disagree with his claims about the last two decades of climate change.

The data available from the department of meteorology states that the climate is warming and accelerating, and has been observed to be warming over the last two decades.

These people need to do their homework and stop presenting false claims.

The last five years of global temperatures have been record global years.

This guy needs to be locked up for deceiving the general public.

 

[Kaon]

I listened to this fellow and I disagree with his claims about the last two decades of climate change.

The data available from the department of meteorology states that the climate is warming and accelerating, and has been observed to be warming over the last two decades.

These people need to do their homework and stop presenting false claims.

The last five years of global temperatures have been record global years.

This guy needs to be locked up for deceiving the general public.

Five, or even 500 years is nothing on a geological scale. The deception comes from forcing people to accept something that has been extrapolated over the entire lifetime of the planet based on 0.001% of the earth's lifetime measured data. And I am being liberal by assuming human raw data has been compiled for 10^4 years.

It is irresponsible to have the social and academic judgments as the paradigm of Global Warming/Climate Change when your data interpolates from 0.001% of the data.

 

[klutedavid]

Greetings to the Kiwis and Aussies on this forum. It is interesting to see people from downunder here, I dont remember anyone joining from Aust or NZ before. Welcome!

I was born in Australia and grew up as a student in NZ. I now live in the USA.

Here is one point. Australia is having a very rough time with droughts. This is causing very bad bush fires every summer ... dangerous to life and property. And very destructive to the ecosystem.

Australia is not alone. California, Portugal and Canada have also had very similar problems. The droughts are linked to climate change. This problem was not anticipated by scientists when the original theory of Climate Change was proposed. It is an example of the destructive things that can happen ... but they are hard to foresee. We live in a complex world.

Personally I think theae unexpected risks pose a bigger problem than topics such as "sea level change". That is why I said earlier that discussion of ocean levels is giving the general public a "skewed viewpoint" about Climate Change.

I think the real issue is climate change is so gradual that you can actually miss it altogether, in everyone's day to day life.

The meteorologists directly observe the subtle changes in temperature, so do climate scientists. Anyone who checks weather around their country on a daily basis is acutely aware of climate change.

Russia, Canada, Australia, e.t.c. are suffering directly from climate change, so we as nations know what is happening from experience.

We now get bush fires in winter and everyone is deeply shocked at that. The whole country is so dry now that we build desalination plants and are beginning to truck water to towns.

This is all down to the latitudes that your country is situated within. The latitudes that Russia and Canada touch are undergoing extreme climate change and in the south the same phenomenon is occurring.

Climate change is real and can be observed directly though the change is so gradual.

 

[klutedavid]

Five, or even 500 years is nothing on a geological scale. The deception comes from forcing people to accept something that has been extrapolated over the entire lifetime of the planet based on 0.001% of the earth's lifetime measured data. And I am being conservative by assuming human raw data has been compiled for 10^4 years.

It is irresponsible to have the social and academic judgments as the paradigm of Global Warming/Climate Change when your data interpolates from 0.001% of the data.

Let's say that climate change is not happening.

So we do not attempt to stop it and five years from now climate change. Starts to really impact the planet and we realize that we lost another five years in slowing that change down.

If your wrong we may wander into an irreversible climate change event. If I'm wrong we lose nothing at all.

Place your chips where you wish but you are supporting an extremely dangerous idea.

The last five years are the hottest on record and the alarm bells are already ringing. Soon you will change your mind whether you want to not.

 

[Anguspure]

Greetings to the Kiwis and Aussies on this forum. It is interesting to see people from downunder here, I dont remember anyone joining from Aust or NZ before. Welcome!

I was born in Australia and grew up as a student in NZ. I now live in the USA.

Here is one point. Australia is having a very rough time with droughts. This is causing very bad bush fires every summer ... dangerous to life and property. And very destructive to the ecosystem.

Australia is not alone. California, Portugal and Canada have also had very similar problems. The droughts are linked to climate change. This problem was not anticipated by scientists when the original theory of Climate Change was proposed. It is an example of the destructive things that can happen ... but they are hard to foresee. We live in a complex world.

Personally I think theae unexpected risks pose a bigger problem than topics such as "sea level change". That is why I said earlier that discussion of ocean levels is giving the general public a "skewed viewpoint" about Climate Change.

Kia Ora Cus'

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

The unmerciful servant.
“Behold” he says to them in effect “ what men who wish to be great ones do! They rob their king of his revenue, and abuse the opportunities afforded to them by their position to enrich themselves; and while scandalously negligent of their own obligations, they are characteristically exacting towards any little one who may happen in the most innocent way, not by fraud, but by misfortune, to be their debtor.

The spirit of pride and self-advancement is their chief end.

Isaiah 55:7

The Training of the Twelve ~ A. B. Bruce pg 218

Not saying former slaves should not have been compensated. What I said was slavery was the state of perhaps 1/2 of the world’s population in perpetuity. So after 8000 years of human history that was all slavery all the time. The couple of generations who ended it get credit for it. Big time.

Leftists don’t get to go back and site the wrong doing and injustices that still remained in an attempt to overthrow the free world. Not without war they don’t. That they will not win.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Let's say that climate change is not happening.

So we do not attempt to stop it and five years from now climate change. Starts to really impact the planet and we realize that we lost another five years in slowing that change down.

If your wrong we may wander into an irreversible climate change event. If I'm wrong we lose nothing at all.

Place your chips where you wish but you are supporting an extremely dangerous idea.

The last five years are the hottest on record and the alarm bells are already ringing. Soon you will change your mind whether you want to not.

No the last five years are not the hottest on record. Unless of course liars, con men, leftist, enslavers and thieves go back and falsify the temperature records of the 1930’s. Which by the way they have already been busted doing.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Invisible government?

(Revelation of John 1:7) Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.​

Luke 17: 20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation, (visibly): Nor shall they say, Look here! or, look there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside you.


Luke 17:20-21 expresses a fundamental truth in the Bible. It is a revelatory scripture. One that is explains a great body of other scriptures, especially Bible prophecy. The cultural norm or viewpoint held by consensus in that time was that the kingdom of God would come in a visible form with the descendant of David sitting on a throne in the nation of Israel. In their minds he was to bring righteousness, justice, mercy, truth and peace to the earth through physical force. Whether that force be earthly, angelic or miraculous is irrelevant. The Son of David would be seated in Jerusalem, in the Middle East, as king to administer it. They got this viewpoint from scriptures like these and many others. What Jesus was doing was correcting that misconception. His answer to the formally educated leaders of that day brings us to an unfortunate reality of the last few generations. These verses of scripture although used by some for certain purposes are almost heartbreakingly ignored as to what they specifically imply. That there will never be a visible\physical government of God on the earth. I call them the most ignored verses in the New Testament. This due to the fact that 99% of today's pastors and teachers emphatically teach that some day there will be visible\physical government of God on earth.
Basically these verses contain two statements. The first corrects a false teaching or belief about certain, mostly prophetic scriptures about the government of God on earth. That it will not be visible\physical. The second, in a highly condensed form show how all those prophecies and promises will come to pass in the world. By way of the government of God being inside of people. Meaning God will work through and with people to change the world for the better. That reveals the problem that confronts our generation. The basic premise that the Pharisees believed is one and the same as most of our formally educated leaders and Bible teachers hold today. Since they believe that kingdom of God is indeed coming visibly. The full import of the second statement; "the Kingdom of God is inside of you." is being high jacked to teach things other than its original intent. Which is: The ancient world, the world that Jesus and his apostles walked in would be transformed because God and his government are inside of individuals. In fact in the proper time and season. So transformed that the hundreds of chapters of promise and prophecy would be able to be fulfilled in any nation that meets the conditions laid out in scripture.
Does the reader see the problem? If all those promises and prophecies about a new heaven and earth are to come to pass because Jesus rides into town on a white horse with a sword in his hand to physically force righteousness on the world. How do his people ever grasp the true nature of the calling and personally develop, then strategize and labor in such a way that will naturally transform the world we live in? The answer is that they can't. If the true follower of Christ has been bewitched into thinking the world has and will grow worse and worse until Jesus comes. Or, if they have accepted teachings that say the only way all those promises and prophecies can come to pass is via a physical intervention by God to destroy evil and somehow miraculously impose goodness. Then why would they even so much as day dream about a calling, knowledge, preparations, strategies and miraculous empowerment from heaven to change it themselves? Without that knowledge the extent of their work would have to revolve around winning souls and "making disciples." Which one way or the other is the right thing to do. Without winning souls and making disciples nothing in God's Word can come to pass. A disciple is not just to learn how they should live though. They are supposed to learn what God's will is for the world. If they do not, they cannot intelligently participate with God in that aspect of his will to transform it.

.....behold, the kingdom of God is inside you.


The Government of God that this article is attempting to described is not what has always existed, but rather what has been prophesied. Furthermore not so much its humble beginnings but rather its ending. In other words: What is Government of God that scripture says was or is to come? How does it come, what does it look like. How does it govern, how does it bring change for the better?

The way Gods government works on earth could be likened to the ultimate grass roots organization. Its only mode of gaining ground is through personal interaction on a strictly individual basis. Truth and reality are employed in this personal interaction that is both divine and spiritual in nature. It is left to the individual to voluntarily accept by faith, or reject both the divine interaction and the truth that is presented. In this sense the Government of God is revelatory, instructive, motivational and administrative on a specifically individual scale. In the broadest sense of this personal relationship God is referred as Father; in which the child is completely dependent upon for every necessity of life. This is the totality of the basis or foundation of the (prophesied) Government of God in the earth. This not only represents it's humble beginnings but also the basis of its end. It is the beginning because God in his sovereignty created moral agents in such a way that limits his control over them to that which can persuade a voluntary change of heart on their part. He cannot change their hearts by physical or miraculous force or coercion. It is the end because God will not and indeed cannot establish moral governance in the earth without the cooperation of men.

If step one in God's program to govern the earth is to get an individual to accept that governance. To birth it into that individual. The next feature or step lays in the physical nature of moral agents. If an individual accepts truth and embraces reality, especially if it came through divine agency. By physical necessity it will have an effect on that individuals behavior. The adulterer will seek reconciliation with their spouse. Parents that cared little about their children will commit themselves to love them and seek their betterment. The womanizer and sexually immoral, the inappropriate content user will restrain their appetites and seek a new nature. The politician and the lawyer will stop lying, the thief will stop stealing. The same conditions that brought the behavioral changes will also cause those who have discovered this new way of life to tell others about it. This is done in hopes of bringing others to the same experience. The care and love brought into hearts by Christ's sacrifice and resurrection power will cause these individuals to employ all kinds of means in their efforts to bring others to Christ. In their minds it is an essential part of their faith to see others reconciled to the government of God that they too may find the promise of eternal life. These are the perfectly natural effects of a voluntarily embraced personal relationship with the God of truth and love.
Most true believers at least in theory know that all the resources of heaven are available to these individuals to accomplish these things in steps one and two. The extent of the availability of these resources is based on the individuals faith which in a real sense is based on their experiential knowledge. This is essentially the work of the Gospel which comes through Gods initiation and not mankind's. It is designed to bring the governess of God into the lives of individuals. The majority of modern Bible teachers and pastors generally agree with this. That this is what Jesus meant when he said the Kingdom of God is inside of you. It brings personal salvation and should result in behavior modifications. Yet it's at this stage where Gods agenda for world governess gets high jacked by false teachings about a future visible\physical Government with Jesus sitting on a throne in the middle east. Basically leaving us with a glass half full.
As steps one and two involve a process that God is initiating and intimately involved in with the cooperation of people. The continuation of the same exact process by it's very nature involves cultural and political change. This is quite a bit more complicated than the initial steps because there are so many different factors involved. Perhaps this is one reason why the subject has not been thought through by so many. It is easier to just leave the glass half full so to speak than to bring basic teachings to their fullest extent when it involves very complicated situations in culture and politics. What needs to be understood though is that this process is totally natural to the point of being unavoidable. What effects people personally will quite naturally effect culture and politics. When individuals lives are radically transformed by an intimate relationship with heavenly and eternal things. There will be a physically unavoidable effect in their personal behavior and their relationships. This carries over in exactly the same manner to their political and cultural viewpoints. Again, to deny this is to deny the very nature of moral agents and is tantamount to denying that the faith of Christ has any bearing in the thoughts and actions of individuals who have discovered the grace of God. It would be saying that heavenly and eternal things can be contained in the heart but cannot show themselves in any form or fashion in the natural world. Kind of a ridiculous suggestion but in fact this is the position doctrinally for most Christians as far as their view of the future is concerned.
If one person coming to Christ can change the culture of a family. If the culture of a family is changed, if children are now born to Christian parents. If these people are winning more souls. then the same holds true for a village or a community. If a community or a people groups culture is changed. If a significant minority of them are soul winning evangelical Christians and if a majority of them accept Christian principles in law and government. Then a nation can be changed in the same manner. If a nation can be changed (and their have been nations changed this way,) then the whole world can be changed. There are no brakes on this vehicle except self imposed ones. You cannot intellectually admit to change taking place at a family or local level and at the same time reject the same vehicle's ability to change a nation or the whole world. Yet for the last century the majority of believers have boldly announced that the world is getting worse and worse and will end in a final cataclysmic event that will usher in the Kingdom of God. To the authors knowledge there has never been a more effective propaganda campaign than what the devil himself hatched in the hearts of God's people than the utter falsehood that the world is more evil than it was before. There is no comparison between our world today and the ancient world. To say that there is the height of ignorance or arrogance. The very worst that our world today has to offer was the common practice, the norm of the ancient world. The very best our world today has to offer was only a dream of thinkers and prophets. Even today without any working knowledge of this subject in the hearts of so many of God's saints, the vehicle moves forward. Yes! even though the saints deny any such thing is happening, even when they totally disagree with God and the reality on the ground. Hearts are being changed, cultures are being transformed, and darkness is giving way to light in many nations. The next few paragraphs will look at a working knowledge of this process.

From:What Is The Government Of God?

 

[Kaon]

Let's say that climate change is not happening.

So we do not attempt to stop it and five years from now climate change. Starts to really impact the planet and we realize that we lost another five years in slowing that change down.

If your wrong we may wander into an irreversible climate change event. If I'm wrong we lose nothing at all.

Place your chips where you wish but you are supporting an extremely dangerous idea.

The last five years are the hottest on record and the alarm bells are already ringing. Soon you will change your mind whether you want to not.

You are being an alarmist. Five years is 0.0000001% of the age of the earth - it is irresponsible to base a total extrapolation on such a small amount of data - especially when you are claiming the sky is falling. It is much more dangerous to be an alarmist.

Just THINK for goodness sake; banks are still giving out loans. ANTHROPOGENIC Climate change is a farce; something else is going on - but it isn't because of 5 years of change, or even 500 years.

 

[klutedavid]

You are being an alarmist. Five years is 0.0000001% of the age of the earth - it is irresponsible to base a total extrapolation on such a small amount of data - especially when you are claiming the sky is falling. It is much more dangerous to be an alarmist.

Just tho k for goodness sake; banks are still giving out loans. ANTHROPOGENIC Climate change is a farce; something else is going on - but it isn't because of 5 years of change, or even 500 years.

See I told you so.

If you deny the data that NASA is using please present your evidence for inspection.

 

[klutedavid]

You are being an alarmist. Five years is 0.0000001% of the age of the earth - it is irresponsible to base a total extrapolation on such a small amount of data - especially when you are claiming the sky is falling. It is much more dangerous to be an alarmist.

Just THINK for goodness sake; banks are still giving out loans. ANTHROPOGENIC Climate change is a farce; something else is going on - but it isn't because of 5 years of change, or even 500 years.

See the graph in the previous post, saves duplication.

 

[klutedavid]

Luke 17: 20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation, (visibly): Nor shall they say, Look here! or, look there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside you.


Luke 17:20-21 expresses a fundamental truth in the Bible. It is a revelatory scripture. One that is explains a great body of other scriptures, especially Bible prophecy. The cultural norm or viewpoint held by consensus in that time was that the kingdom of God would come in a visible form with the descendant of David sitting on a throne in the nation of Israel. In their minds he was to bring righteousness, justice, mercy, truth and peace to the earth through physical force. Whether that force be earthly, angelic or miraculous is irrelevant. The Son of David would be seated in Jerusalem, in the Middle East, as king to administer it. They got this viewpoint from scriptures like these and many others. What Jesus was doing was correcting that misconception. His answer to the formally educated leaders of that day brings us to an unfortunate reality of the last few generations. These verses of scripture although used by some for certain purposes are almost heartbreakingly ignored as to what they specifically imply. That there will never be a visible\physical government of God on the earth. I call them the most ignored verses in the New Testament. This due to the fact that 99% of today's pastors and teachers emphatically teach that some day there will be visible\physical government of God on earth.
Basically these verses contain two statements. The first corrects a false teaching or belief about certain, mostly prophetic scriptures about the government of God on earth. That it will not be visible\physical. The second, in a highly condensed form show how all those prophecies and promises will come to pass in the world. By way of the government of God being inside of people. Meaning God will work through and with people to change the world for the better. That reveals the problem that confronts our generation. The basic premise that the Pharisees believed is one and the same as most of our formally educated leaders and Bible teachers hold today. Since they believe that kingdom of God is indeed coming visibly. The full import of the second statement; "the Kingdom of God is inside of you." is being high jacked to teach things other than its original intent. Which is: The ancient world, the world that Jesus and his apostles walked in would be transformed because God and his government are inside of individuals. In fact in the proper time and season. So transformed that the hundreds of chapters of promise and prophecy would be able to be fulfilled in any nation that meets the conditions laid out in scripture.
Does the reader see the problem? If all those promises and prophecies about a new heaven and earth are to come to pass because Jesus rides into town on a white horse with a sword in his hand to physically force righteousness on the world. How do his people ever grasp the true nature of the calling and personally develop, then strategize and labor in such a way that will naturally transform the world we live in? The answer is that they can't. If the true follower of Christ has been bewitched into thinking the world has and will grow worse and worse until Jesus comes. Or, if they have accepted teachings that say the only way all those promises and prophecies can come to pass is via a physical intervention by God to destroy evil and somehow miraculously impose goodness. Then why would they even so much as day dream about a calling, knowledge, preparations, strategies and miraculous empowerment from heaven to change it themselves? Without that knowledge the extent of their work would have to revolve around winning souls and "making disciples." Which one way or the other is the right thing to do. Without winning souls and making disciples nothing in God's Word can come to pass. A disciple is not just to learn how they should live though. They are supposed to learn what God's will is for the world. If they do not, they cannot intelligently participate with God in that aspect of his will to transform it.

.....behold, the kingdom of God is inside you.


The Government of God that this article is attempting to described is not what has always existed, but rather what has been prophesied. Furthermore not so much its humble beginnings but rather its ending. In other words: What is Government of God that scripture says was or is to come? How does it come, what does it look like. How does it govern, how does it bring change for the better?

The way Gods government works on earth could be likened to the ultimate grass roots organization. Its only mode of gaining ground is through personal interaction on a strictly individual basis. Truth and reality are employed in this personal interaction that is both divine and spiritual in nature. It is left to the individual to voluntarily accept by faith, or reject both the divine interaction and the truth that is presented. In this sense the Government of God is revelatory, instructive, motivational and administrative on a specifically individual scale. In the broadest sense of this personal relationship God is referred as Father; in which the child is completely dependent upon for every necessity of life. This is the totality of the basis or foundation of the (prophesied) Government of God in the earth. This not only represents it's humble beginnings but also the basis of its end. It is the beginning because God in his sovereignty created moral agents in such a way that limits his control over them to that which can persuade a voluntary change of heart on their part. He cannot change their hearts by physical or miraculous force or coercion. It is the end because God will not and indeed cannot establish moral governance in the earth without the cooperation of men.

If step one in God's program to govern the earth is to get an individual to accept that governance. To birth it into that individual. The next feature or step lays in the physical nature of moral agents. If an individual accepts truth and embraces reality, especially if it came through divine agency. By physical necessity it will have an effect on that individuals behavior. The adulterer will seek reconciliation with their spouse. Parents that cared little about their children will commit themselves to love them and seek their betterment. The womanizer and sexually immoral, the inappropriate content user will restrain their appetites and seek a new nature. The politician and the lawyer will stop lying, the thief will stop stealing. The same conditions that brought the behavioral changes will also cause those who have discovered this new way of life to tell others about it. This is done in hopes of bringing others to the same experience. The care and love brought into hearts by Christ's sacrifice and resurrection power will cause these individuals to employ all kinds of means in their efforts to bring others to Christ. In their minds it is an essential part of their faith to see others reconciled to the government of God that they too may find the promise of eternal life. These are the perfectly natural effects of a voluntarily embraced personal relationship with the God of truth and love.
Most true believers at least in theory know that all the resources of heaven are available to these individuals to accomplish these things in steps one and two. The extent of the availability of these resources is based on the individuals faith which in a real sense is based on their experiential knowledge. This is essentially the work of the Gospel which comes through Gods initiation and not mankind's. It is designed to bring the governess of God into the lives of individuals. The majority of modern Bible teachers and pastors generally agree with this. That this is what Jesus meant when he said the Kingdom of God is inside of you. It brings personal salvation and should result in behavior modifications. Yet it's at this stage where Gods agenda for world governess gets high jacked by false teachings about a future visible\physical Government with Jesus sitting on a throne in the middle east. Basically leaving us with a glass half full.
As steps one and two involve a process that God is initiating and intimately involved in with the cooperation of people. The continuation of the same exact process by it's very nature involves cultural and political change. This is quite a bit more complicated than the initial steps because there are so many different factors involved. Perhaps this is one reason why the subject has not been thought through by so many. It is easier to just leave the glass half full so to speak than to bring basic teachings to their fullest extent when it involves very complicated situations in culture and politics. What needs to be understood though is that this process is totally natural to the point of being unavoidable. What effects people personally will quite naturally effect culture and politics. When individuals lives are radically transformed by an intimate relationship with heavenly and eternal things. There will be a physically unavoidable effect in their personal behavior and their relationships. This carries over in exactly the same manner to their political and cultural viewpoints. Again, to deny this is to deny the very nature of moral agents and is tantamount to denying that the faith of Christ has any bearing in the thoughts and actions of individuals who have discovered the grace of God. It would be saying that heavenly and eternal things can be contained in the heart but cannot show themselves in any form or fashion in the natural world. Kind of a ridiculous suggestion but in fact this is the position doctrinally for most Christians as far as their view of the future is concerned.
If one person coming to Christ can change the culture of a family. If the culture of a family is changed, if children are now born to Christian parents. If these people are winning more souls. then the same holds true for a village or a community. If a community or a people groups culture is changed. If a significant minority of them are soul winning evangelical Christians and if a majority of them accept Christian principles in law and government. Then a nation can be changed in the same manner. If a nation can be changed (and their have been nations changed this way,) then the whole world can be changed. There are no brakes on this vehicle except self imposed ones. You cannot intellectually admit to change taking place at a family or local level and at the same time reject the same vehicle's ability to change a nation or the whole world. Yet for the last century the majority of believers have boldly announced that the world is getting worse and worse and will end in a final cataclysmic event that will usher in the Kingdom of God. To the authors knowledge there has never been a more effective propaganda campaign than what the devil himself hatched in the hearts of God's people than the utter falsehood that the world is more evil than it was before. There is no comparison between our world today and the ancient world. To say that there is the height of ignorance or arrogance. The very worst that our world today has to offer was the common practice, the norm of the ancient world. The very best our world today has to offer was only a dream of thinkers and prophets. Even today without any working knowledge of this subject in the hearts of so many of God's saints, the vehicle moves forward. Yes! even though the saints deny any such thing is happening, even when they totally disagree with God and the reality on the ground. Hearts are being changed, cultures are being transformed, and darkness is giving way to light in many nations. The next few paragraphs will look at a working knowledge of this process.

From:What Is The Government Of God?

People tend not to read such large posts.

Can you include paragraphs and somehow abbreviate what your saying. Anything more than about ten lines is probably too much.

 

[Kaon]

View attachment 264031
See I told you so.

If you deny the data that NASA is using please present your evidence for inspection.

Oh please. I have provided my evidence - the physics and math - on these forums, and it is always dismissed by neophytes. Besides, I am not trying to convince you. Believe what you want, I am just telling you how ignorant it is if you use 5 years of data to determine definitive cycles of an entity that is 5,000,000,000 years old. Would you use 2 minutes of an 80 year olds life to judge the entirety of them?

NASA is your official source of information; the Truth is independent of NASA.

 

[Kaon]

See the graph in the previous post, saves duplication.

I see you are purposefully being ignorant.

Believe whatever you want to believe; I am not writing these replies to change your mind or debate with you. I already know what I know.

And, I know 5 years is 0.0000001% of the earth's lifetime, for example.

 

[klutedavid]

Oh please. I have provided my evidence - the physics and math - on these forums, and it is always dismissed by neophytes. Besides, I am not trying to convince you. Believe what you want, I am just telling you how ignorant it is if you use 5 years of data to determine definitive cycles of an entity that is 5,000,000,000 years old. Would you use 2 minutes of an 80 year olds life to judge the entirety of them?

NASA is your official source of information; the Truth is independent of NASA.

You need evidence to support the idea that global temperatures are not rapidly rising.

If you believe that say thirty years of temperature observations cannot be assumed to represent a real rise in temperature across the globe. Then you are entitled to discard the data.

The problem is your resistance is amplified into the political realm and failure to act intensifies the rise in temperature.

It's not my world and I personally am not deeply involved in this. But the temperature data sure appears convincing.

 

[Kaon]

You need evidence to support the idea that global temperatures are not rapidly rising.

If you believe that say thirty years of temperature observations cannot be assumed to represent a real rise in temperature across the globe. Then you are entitled to discard the data.

The problem is your resistance is amplified into the political realm and failure to act intensifies the rise in temperature.

It's not my world and I personally am not deeply involved in this. But the temperature data sure appears convincing.

Ok.

 

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You know ..so many times reading His word.. I believe this world is alive.. Christ "if you stop them the rocks will cry out". We forget EVERYTHING God makes is alive. So yes.. its just another thing we will answer for.

Jesus told us about birth pains. So man calls it something else..