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Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.

"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.

I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.

So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.

"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV

Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?
 

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Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.

"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.

I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.

So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.

"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV

Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?
Unfortunately, SOME churches have let themselves think that Scripture can be viewed in a different way from how it long has been seen. However, those Protestant churches which do that are not saying that they are adding other sources of guidance to Scripture (as the Catholic churches do); they are instead re-interpreting Scripture--not that that is a good excuse.

In any case, your own objective is to affiliate with a church that has not given into modernism or social relevancy, etc., and there are indeed many which have not.
 
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It also could be the specific scripture used within church doctrine that allows for females, like Galatians 3:28-29 for instance.

I personally in this case hang with traditional scripture for this though, I believe preachers/priests etc should be male.
 
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Unfortunately, SOME churches have let themselves think that Scripture can be viewed in a different way from how it long has been seen. However, those Protestant churches which do that are not saying that they are adding other sources of guidance to Scripture (as the Catholic churches do); they are instead re-interpreting Scripture--not that that is a good excuse.
In any case, your own objective is to affiliate with a church that has not given into modernism or social relevancy, etc., and there are indeed many which have not.

How on earth can they possible twist that passage, it's so clear.

Please tell me which churches have not buckled. What's Orthodox like?.
I've only started to learn about all these denominations and their differences and its becoming so overwhelmingly confusing.
 
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Unfortunately, SOME churches have let themselves think that Scripture can be viewed in a different way from how it long has been seen. However, those Protestant churches which do that are not saying that they are adding other sources of guidance to Scripture (as the Catholic churches do); they are instead re-interpreting Scripture--not that that is a good excuse.

In any case, your own objective is to affiliate with a church that has not given into modernism or social relevancy, etc., and there are indeed many which have not.
What’s the excuse for misinterpreting it since day one of the Roman takeover?
 
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How on earth can they possible twist that passage, it's so clear.

Please tell me which churches have not buckled. What's Orthodox like?.
I've only started to learn about all these denominations and their differences and its becoming so overwhelmingly confusing.
Catholics only.
 
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How on earth can they possible twist that passage, it's so clear.
Well, one of the most common methods--pitting one verse against another. The verses that teach a male priesthood are strong and specific, not to mention what the church of the first century actually did.

Against that though, one may point to the verse that Dave G. cited and say that this is some blanket permission, etc., ignoring the other verses or calling them obsolete, or worse, an example of God or Paul having to give in to the standards of that society and that time! There's always some rationalization that can be used.

Please tell me which churches have not buckled.
Most Protestant denominations are today split between conservative groupings and liberal ones. Not knowing your own orientation, I would be out of line to say to choose, for example, the traditional Lutheran ones over the liberal, modernist Lutheran ones, but you can easily check this out in the case of the Presbyterians or Baptists, or any other in your country.

What's Orthodox like?
Much like the Catholic church, but more ceremonial and without a Pope. Not what you are looking for, based upon your original post here.

I've only started to learn about all these denominations and their differences and its becoming so overwhelmingly confusing.
It can be, but a little poking around online can overcome most of that. Every denomination or branch of a denomination has a website that outlines its beliefs and shows pictures of or names its leaders...and that is not to mention the info that is available from almost every local parish or congregation.
 
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Fair enough, slowly, slowly i guess I'll have to dig
That's a good attitude. Take your time, let the Lord light the way, be patient. I don't subscribe to the "Protestant" paradigm, because it bases its identity on a negative. Go all the way back to Christ and identify positively as a Christian. Then you will be able to see how the various church doctrines fit in or not. And you will be able to do that without the paralyzing confusion.

I don't see any church as perfect, in either doctrine or praxis. Where man is, there are going to be problems and error. Christ has promised to preserve His church, but that doesn't mean we don't make mistakes. In the end His faithfulness will overcome man's failings.

for we are the [true] circumcision, who worship God in Spirit, who glory in Christ Jesus and place no confidence in the flesh, - Phl 3:3​

The important thing is that you have returned to Christ. Abide in Him and grow. Congratulations.
 
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I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.
Humans, as Catholics, have been able to add things, while Protestants, also humans, have been able to add things. You need to test everything, and trust God about how you, too, might not be perfect and so you might be able to misunderstand God's word. And you might learn more and better than any group is telling you.
 
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When Paul said that women are deceived he was actually referring to everyone but the bridegroom.
In any case, there are women who are smarter. And their good example will teach, even if they say not a word.
 
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In any case, there are women who are smarter. And their good example will teach, even if they say not a word.
Like lucky for you they’re not coming for you ;) ? A conspiracy beyond theory immho.
 
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Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.

"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.

I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.

So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.

"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV

Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?

Protestant is the original term for "protesting Catholic" - Jerome of Prague , Calvin, Wycliffe, Huss, Luther etc were all cradle Catholics trained by the Catholic church - not protestants. They individually started "protests" when they happen to come across some tradition/doctrine that was found to be refuted by the Bible.

The term for "man" in 1 Tim 2 is actually "husband" as Young's literal translation points out -

1 Tim 2: 12 and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness, YLT

And in 1 Cor 14 we find that in the church - NASB: 1 Cor 14:26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

Lots of women prophets in the NT and we find this -
1 Cor 12
28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts.
 
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Unfortunately, SOME churches have let themselves think that Scripture can be viewed in a different way from how it long has been seen. However, those Protestant churches which do that are not saying that they are adding other sources of guidance to Scripture (as the Catholic churches do); they are instead re-interpreting Scripture--not that that is a good excuse.

In any case, your own objective is to affiliate with a church that has not given into modernism or social relevancy, etc., and there are indeed many which have not.

a good example of compromising church teaching is trying to insert faith in evolutionism as the "new doctrine on origins" as compared to the Bible teaching on origins.
 
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Unfortunately, SOME churches have let themselves think that Scripture can be viewed in a different way from how it long has been seen. However, those Protestant churches which do that are not saying that they are adding other sources of guidance to Scripture (as the Catholic churches do); they are instead re-interpreting Scripture--not that that is a good excuse.

In any case, your own objective is to affiliate with a church that has not given into modernism or social relevancy, etc., and there are indeed many which have not.
That may be because their usual form was death to the dissenters. Ask any Morovians you might run into.
 
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