High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

[Christopher0121]

Secure the schools with armed guards. Have a tiered security posture wherein students and staff are screened. Sadly, this is what our society is coming to. Red Flag laws, eh, I'm suspicious of them. For example, in this case it is causing unwarranted hardship on a law abiding family. However, the students of any school have a right to be safe. I'd say we should try Red Flag laws. Set them to expire after 2 to 5 years. This way we can evaluate how they are used, what can be done to eliminate silly accusations and see if it makes a difference in mass shootings. If at the end of the trial period these laws appear to be doing more inconvenience than prevention, we can let them expire.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Well trained Militia

Actually, well 'regulated' is the term used in the 2nd amendment. I came across a somewhat unique perspective of the phrase 'well regulated militia'....can't say I agree with it 100%.....looking for other confirmation of it but it is interesting. What words mean change across time; what regulated meant in the late 18th century may not agree with what we say it means today......

IMPORTANT NOTE: Back in the 18th century, a “regular” army meant an army that had standard military equipment. So a “well regulated” army was simply one that was “well equipped” and organized. It does not refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term “standing army” or “regulars” to describe a professional army. Therefore, “a well regulated militia” only means a well equipped militia that was organized and maintained internal discipline. It does not imply the modern meaning of “regulated,” which means controlled or administered by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution, but not from the Second Amendment.

This is where I found it....What the Founding Fathers Meant by the “Militia” » Sight M1911

 

[Halbhh]

It may give me some mental doubts or make me hesitant/cautious at first - but it wouldn't make me do anything, such as call the police. I have a friend who has assault rifles, though, and an uncle who used to have a gun room filled with guns of all sizes and types when he was going through a certain situation, and they are both non-dangerous and stable people. I haven't read any statistics on how many people have these kinds of guns. If I knew the family, and heard what the mother said in the article (that the whole family does shooting practice together with these guns on the range as a hobby), then it would make me feel more comfortable.

We entirely agree on those aspects, and I have the same attitude also. (I can go a little further and even say I'd not personally be afraid of a teenager brandishing an AR-15, myself personally, at all; I'd have zero fear I think. But!...I'd worry about other people being totally freaked out, nearby).

The question I meant to get at though isn't just whether someone used to guns like you or me would feel ok, but I meant to get at a different question: where's the line where the individual begins to cause too much fear and panic among other people, around us? Should other citizens have to live in fear for their own lives, just to let a teenager brandish their AR-15 in a threatening way? No. But what about just to let the teenager carry it around in a an only somewhat less frightening way, like in a gun rack? My own answer is: "No, that should be illegal." Why? Because it is a public nuisance that is enough to be truly significant. Similar to carrying a boom box that is extra loud, and hurts the hearing of nearby people on a public sidewalk: it should be illegal, because it prevents them from being able to enjoy the sidewalk also in a reasonable way.

 

[Hank77]

What part of "Well trained Militia" do you not understand? The Greeks begin military training when they were 3 years of age. They were able to conquer the world. The government provides 13 years of brainwashing education if you include free public kindergarten. There are still countries today that require all the men and a lot of the women to serve in the military and to serve their country. We are to serve our country, we should not expect the country to serve us.

I didn't ask you what the Constitution says about the militia.
I asked if people had to be trained by the military in order to own or use a gun? Of coarse the answer is, no. Why not?

 

[RaymondG]

With all the mass shooting happening, who, in their right mind, would post videos of a multitude of weapons online and brag about the practicing good aim? And If you say it was bad judgement....now you have a person capable of bad judgment, in possession of weapons, which have been used in mass shooting, going to school with your children, or in your class, or a classroom near you.

Although, I would not have made the complaint, I understand why others would.

 

[Aldebaran]

My comment was not about him, but us. His story is a warning for all of us to be careful what we post online.

With all the hype about how "red flag laws" are so great, hardly anything will be safe to post online if there's ANYone in the world who may not like it. This kid posted something totally innocent online, then one kid at his school decided to take issue with it, and now a student is banned from going to school.

 

[Aldebaran]

With all the mass shooting happening, who, in their right mind, would post videos of a multitude of weapons online and brag about the practicing good aim? And If you say it was bad judgement....now you have a person capable of bad judgment, in possession of weapons, which have been used in mass shooting, going to school with your children, or in your class, or a classroom near you.

Although, I would not have made the complaint, I understand why others would.

What makes you think any of the weapons in his possession were used in mass shootings?

 

[civilwarbuff]

With all the mass shooting happening, who, in their right mind, would post videos of a multitude of weapons online and brag about the practicing good aim? And If you say it was bad judgement....now you have a person capable of bad judgment, in possession of weapons, which have been used in mass shooting, going to school with your children, or in your class, or a classroom near you.

Although, I would not have made the complaint, I understand why others would.

You can go to you tube and find hundreds of people demonstrating their prowess with a firearm....so do you consider all of them a threat?.....braggarts maybe.....but a threat?....just a thought but should Annie Oakley, Little Sure Shot, or all the trick shooters of Wild Bill's show been considered a threat?....or even the Olympic athletes who compete with firearms be considered a threat?

 

[RaymondG]

What makes you think any of the weapons in his possession were used in mass shootings?

Where types used in mass shootings.......Not the actual guns in the photo.

 

[AlexDTX]

With all the hype about how "red flag laws" are so great, hardly anything will be safe to post online if there's ANYone in the world who may not like it. This kid posted something totally innocent online, then one kid at his school decided to take issue with it, and now a student is banned from going to school.

And he is a child who does not understand the political climate. But we are adults, and are aware of the climate.

 

[RaymondG]

You can go to you tube and find hundreds of people demonstrating their prowess with a firearm....so do you consider all of them a threat?.....braggarts maybe.....but a threat?....just a thought but should Annie Oakley, Little Sure Shot, or all the trick shooters of Wild Bill's show been considered a threat?....or even the Olympic athletes who compete with firearms be considered a threat?

I stated that I would not have reported or had concern......But that I could understand how/why others would.

You see, I can have my own beliefs while still understanding and respecting the beliefs and feelings of others.

It is not hard to see how families in a state that has experienced mass shootings, a month after two mass shootings, would feel uneasy about a child posting an arsenal of weapons online and then coming to school.

 

[civilwarbuff]

posting an arsenal of weapons online

You want to see an arsenal?....go take a look in your local police or sheriffs armory.....THAT is an arsenal; a pistol and AR-15 hardly qualifies.

You see, I can have my own beliefs while still understanding and respecting the beliefs and feelings of others.

While you may be able to it is quite obvious that someone else was unable to restrain themselves to the same extent......

It is not hard to see how families in a state that has experiences mass shootings, a month after two mass shootings, would feel uneasy about a child posting an arsenal of weapons online and then coming to school.

Then maybe they should take the time and effort to educate themselves instead of simply responding to political rhetoric.....

 

[Aldebaran]

Where types used in mass shootings.......Not the actual guns in the photo.

Well, even if they're the same type, such as the AR15, the mere possession or legal use of it doesn't equate to something to be feared. In fact, I think it's safe to say that every single type of firearm has been used in a criminal way at some time. Bolt action rifles have been used in crime. One even killed a US president. High capacity handguns used to be seen as the worst of the worst, and was a major factor in the Assault Weapon ban of 1994. Now they're simply the most popular for defense in general, and even law enforcement. Shotguns have a big "street cred", and Dirty Harry made the big .44 Magnum revolver popular at one point.

 

[RaymondG]

You want to see an arsenal?....go take a look in your local police or sheriffs armory.....THAT is an arsenal; a pistol and AR-15 hardly qualifies.

Not everyone thinks and believe as you do. To one with none, 2 can seem like a lot or even extreme. Forgive me if I do not hold others strictly to my own personal judgements.

While you may be able to it is quite obvious that someone else was unable to restrain themselves to the same extent......

And I explained as much, and I understand it, and find no fault in it.

Then maybe they should take the time and effort to educate themselves instead of simply responding to political rhetoric.....

And we should take time to understand that others are on different levels than we are own and therefore think twice before letting the public know we will be practicing the use of AR15s before coming to school....

 

[Aldebaran]

And we should take time to understand that others are on different levels than we are own and therefore think twice before letting the public know we will be practicing the use of AR15s before coming to school....

Yeah, that's a distortion of what happened. What he posted was that he went to the shooting range with his mother.
Perhaps one student at a school who is easily offended shouldn't be the determining factor in whether or not another student will be able to attend school anymore. Otherwise, how about being offended if a kid goes to a rap concert, or goes rock climbing, or (Oh no!) goes hunting?

 

[RaymondG]

Well, even if they're the same type, such as the AR15, the mere possession or legal use of it doesn't equate to something to be feared. In fact, I think it's safe to say that every single type of firearm has been used in a criminal way at some time. Bolt action rifles have been used in crime. One even killed a US president. High capacity handguns used to be seen as the worst of the worst, and was a major factor in the Assault Weapon ban of 1994. Now they're simply the most popular for defense in general, and even law enforcement. Shotguns have a big "street cred", and Dirty Harry made the big .44 Magnum revolver popular at one point.

Im sure there are some who would like to remove the ability to possess any firearm including all the ones you mentioned..... But that is not possible right now.....so, for now, the limiting of the larger capacity guns is the target......They want to limit the amount of people one can shoot before having to reload....

If the mention of a 30 round mag is true......a person can hit 30 people before having to take a break. But one is not likly to have that good a aim or that high of accuracy........unless...oops..... You spend some time target practicing.

I dont agree with what was done. The only difference between me and you is that I understand and find no fault in the decision to do what was done....

 

[Aldebaran]

And he is a child who does not understand the political climate. But we are adults, and are aware of the climate.

Yet it's the kid who can no longer attend High School, even though he did nothing wrong.

 

[Aldebaran]

Im sure there are some who would like to remove the ability to possess any firearm including all the ones you mentioned..... But that is not possible right now.....so, for now, the limiting of the larger capacity guns is the target......They want to limit the amount of people one can shoot before having to reload....

A good description of incremental gun banning. It's what gun owners have been warning about for decades as being the goal of the gun-grabbers.

If the mention of a 30 round mag is true......a person can hit 30 people before having to take a break. But one is not likly to have that good a aim or that high of accuracy........unless...oops..... You spend some time target practicing.

I dont agree with what was done. The only difference between me and you is that I understand and find no fault in the decision to do what was done....

A few things were done. Which one are you referring to? The kid posting his outing with his mom on Snapchat? The kid at school being offended and reporting it? Or the school banning the first kid from coming to school?

 

[RaymondG]

Yeah, that's a distortion of what happened. What he posted was that he went to the shooting range with his mother.
Perhaps one student at a school who is easily offended shouldn't be the determining factor in whether or not another student will be able to attend school anymore. Otherwise, how about being offended if a kid goes to a rap concert, or goes rock climbing, or (Oh no!) goes hunting?

Pictures of Guns were posted....as well as the shooting of a gun. I think I would need to know the nature of the student before completely understanding the complaint.....was he a bully? was he bullied? has he ever gotten in trouble at school? did he hate any teachers?(who hasnt?).

either way, it was not the wisest decision to post these things. I just cant bring myself to dismiss the feelings of those who may have felt scared.

 

[RaymondG]

A good description of incremental gun banning. It's what gun owners have been warning about for decades as being the goal of the gun-grabbers.

Consider yourself lucky if you own one......I have never consider it because it is a long expensive process for me which ends in failure most of the time...with no refunds. And just when I was going to try for the permit anyway.....after feeling ok with losing north of 500, those mass shootings happened, further decreasing my odds below the , throwing away money, threshold. But hey, everything happens for a reason right? (I have an interest in archery and target shooting....not protection...just to be clear)

A few things were done. Which one are you referring to? The kid posting his outing with his mom on Snapchat? The kid at school being offended and reporting it? Or the school banning the first kid from coming to school?

The kid being offended which lead to the suspension.....I dont believe the child will be banned.