Make a list of all your SDA doctrines, you will not find that combo in the Early Church Fathers, Who

[Daniel Marsh]

Well, Wikipedia says it, so it must be the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

There are many Adventist sources that wrote about this:

Hiram Edson investigative judgment cornfield - Norton Safe Search

 

[Daniel Marsh]

This is a strange thread ;o), maybe I'm a simple person, but

We are to pray Our Father who art in heaven ... therefore my Father is in heaven

John 10:30

30 I and the Father are one.”

also ....

Revelation 21:14

14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

and ...

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

therefore ....

I'm sticking with the Word of God, Jesus and the twelve. Amen!

It is a question of history not our fallible interpretations of scripture.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

You would do yourself good to study the sanctuary in the old testament as it is the plan of redemption for all man kind.

Psalm 77:13
Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

Ezekiel 36:25-26 Amplified Bible (AMP)
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

So, the apostles taught those we know as Early Church Fathers and they do not teach Adventist doctrines.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

[QUOTE="Daniel Marsh, post: 7419372
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.[/QUOTE]

That is all fine and good.

But the most holy portion of the sanctuary is about judgment and that is what Jesus our High Priest is doing today.

We will be judged by the law of GOD which is in the ark of the testament which is below the mercy seat.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Exodus 25
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Jesus showed Moses the tabernacle in Heaven.

Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

The reward is eternal life or destruction. Our Judge, Jesus Christ, makes the decision which reward we will receive.

I can share more about how Jesus in the Heavenly sanctuary is paralleling the High priest's duties in the earth sanctuary if you are interested.

Psalm 77:13
Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Romans 14 King James Version (KJV)

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[D.A. Wright]

This claim would be easy for you to refute by providing sources, quotes and links to where it was taught before the 1800's Looking forward to what you have.

Here's what I have:

No more time to argue against "cornfield" red herrings and other logical fallacies.

Live long and prosper.

 

[Dale]

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Tertullian doesn't know anything about an "investigative judgment" at the Throne of God.

"After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment; we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven of which we have now been treating ..."

--Tertullian, from Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25: Christ's Millennial and Heavenly Glory in Company with His Saints


Tertullian talks about Christians becoming angels, taking on an eternal form, but there is no investigative judgment.

 

[Dale]

So, what Christ is doing now is exactly what He was divinely reported to have been doing 1900+ years ago. And He could not possibly have been bothered to take upon Himself any additional duties. Interesting. It appears to me that the church fathers themselves do not even make that claim, at least not from what you have shared.

Again:
The investigative judgment is simply about God voluntarily placing Himself under the scrutiny of His creatures throughout the universe who do not have the powers of omniscience or omnipresence upon which to assure their safety and security.

Try to keep up.

Since there seems to be some doubt about what SDA founder Ellen White taught about the Investigative Judgment," try this.


Ellen White:

"Both the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, “Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed,” and the first angel's message, “Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come,” pointed to Christ's ministration in the most holy place, to the investigative judgment, and not to the coming of Christ for the redemption of His people and the destruction of the wicked."

Ellen White, Conflict of the Ages:The Great Controversy: Chapter 24: In the Holy of Holies
Kindle Location 44944-47

 

[D.A. Wright]

Since there seems to be some doubt about what SDA founder Ellen White taught about the Investigative Judgment," try this.


Ellen White:

"Both the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, “Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed,” and the first angel's message, “Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come,” pointed to Christ's ministration in the most holy place, to the investigative judgment, and not to the coming of Christ for the redemption of His people and the destruction of the wicked."

Ellen White, Conflict of the Ages:The Great Controversy: Chapter 24: In the Holy of Holies
Kindle Location 44944-47

Having read and re-read The Great Controversy over the last thirty years, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind as to what Mrs. White taught about the investigative judgment. I have also read many other books on the specific subject. So much so that, perhaps, I'm comfortable stating it's purpose both in the most simple of terms and in great detail.

This is why I can say with all confidence and even some substantial degree of authority that presuming to sum up what she taught on the matter with a single, several-dozen-word quote (which, by the way, contains absolutely no explanation of the doctrine itself) hand-picked by someone who (let's be honest, shall we), in all likelihood, has less interest in examining the thing fairly, than pigs have wings, is the height of folly, and I'll just leave that as a word to the wise.

I can't understand what's so hard to understand about this:

God doesn't need to do a formal investigation into the fitness of individual members of the human race for inclusion in the community of the perfect, holy universe beyond our grasp. So if He chooses to do so, and have records made of it, then it must be for the benefit of full disclosure and His concern for the comfort of the objects of His incredible love, His creatures.

For the benefit of anyone who might be interested in the intricacies of this labor of love, one of the best books written about this is called The Cross And Its Shadow by S.N. Haskell. For those who might not have the time, nor the inclination for such an extensive treatment, Cleansing the Temple, a traditional-style Bible study, might be more digestible. For folks who like to watch and hear lectures, Roy Gane is arguably the foremost modern scholar on this subject. His Altar Call series is excellent. Others with an excellent grasp in this arena are Clifford Goldstein, Mike Manea, and a truly gifted speaker, Doug Batchelor.

Much of the instruction found on the investigative judgment is presented amidst the larger framework of the general atonement, so it is sometimes difficult to find isolated material on this doctrine. But the extra exposure to the ordered plan of redemption should prove to be highly beneficial to the observer.

Many object to the notion of a need for an Israelite institution to aid in the understanding of the Gospel, but there are manifold reasons for this, not the least of which is the fact that what was transpiring at Calvary was much too much for the five senses of human frailty to take in. The supernatural forces at work there were thickly-veiled, lest they had consumed the poor, ignorant standers-by altogether. If this were not the case, the Bible could have been a much smaller volume.

It is time for Christians to cease painting their God with broad, clumsy strokes and proud words as if we know Him like the palms of our hands. I'm speaking to myself, here. To him who has an ear, let him hear.
.

 

[mmksparbud]

Make a list of all your SDA doctrines, you will not find that combo in the Early Church Fathers, Whom the Apostles taught. Yes, this is a challenge!!!

CHURCH FATHERS: Home

use the search box top right.

please start with investigate judgement

NEW ADVENT: Search

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!! --- Seriously? You expect me to go by what Catholics believe and taught???? I go by the bible---not by Catholic church fathers!! You are free to follow whomsoever you will!!

 

[mmksparbud]

Tertullian does not believe in the Adventist doctrine of soul sleep.


"What, then, is to take place in that interval? Shall we sleep? But souls do not sleep even when men are alive: it is indeed the business of bodies to sleep, to which also belongs death itself, no less than its mirror and counterfeit sleep."

--Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul, Chapter 58: Conclusion & Points Postponed

And I care what Tertullian says because…..??? Jesus and the disciples believed it and that is good enough for me.

Joh_11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh_11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh_11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
1Co_11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co_15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Mat_9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar_5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk_8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

 

[mmksparbud]

So, the apostles taught those we know as Early Church Fathers and they do not teach Adventist doctrines.

You always get it backwards---your early church fathers did not teach what the apostles did.

 

[D.A. Wright]

So, the apostles taught those we know as Early Church Fathers and they do not teach Adventist doctrines.

Who's this "we" you're talking about? Never have I encountered such a talent for stating emphatically both the obvious and, at the same time, inconsequential.

Although I suspect you assume entirely too much in holding that the "early church fathers," of whom you seem to be in danger of deifying, actually sat at the apostles feet and learned as did the disciples from Christ Himself.

 

[Dale]

Having read and re-read The Great Controversy over the last thirty years, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind as to what Mrs. White taught about the investigative judgment. I have also read many other books on the specific subject. So much so that, perhaps, I'm comfortable stating it's purpose both in the most simple of terms and in great detail.

This is why I can say with all confidence and even some substantial degree of authority that presuming to sum up what she taught on the matter with a single, several-dozen-word quote (which, by the way, contains absolutely no explanation of the doctrine itself) hand-picked by someone who (let's be honest, shall we), in all likelihood, has less interest in examining the thing fairly, than pigs have wings, is the height of folly, and I'll just leave that as a word to the wise.

I can't understand what's so hard to understand about this:

God doesn't need to do a formal investigation into the fitness of individual members of the human race for inclusion in the community of the perfect, holy universe beyond our grasp. So if He chooses to do so, and have records made of it, then it must be for the benefit of full disclosure and His concern for the comfort of the objects of His incredible love, His creatures.

For the benefit of anyone who might be interested in the intricacies of this labor of love, one of the best books written about this is called The Cross And Its Shadow by S.N. Haskell. For those who might not have the time, nor the inclination for such an extensive treatment, Cleansing the Temple, a traditional-style Bible study, might be more digestible. For folks who like to watch and hear lectures, Roy Gane is arguably the foremost modern scholar on this subject. His Altar Call series is excellent. Others with an excellent grasp in this arena are Clifford Goldstein, Mike Manea, and a truly gifted speaker, Doug Batchelor.

Much of the instruction found on the investigative judgment is presented amidst the larger framework of the general atonement, so it is sometimes difficult to find isolated material on this doctrine. But the extra exposure to the ordered plan of redemption should prove to be highly beneficial to the observer.

Many object to the notion of a need for an Israelite institution to aid in the understanding of the Gospel, but there are manifold reasons for this, not the least of which is the fact that what was transpiring at Calvary was much too much for the five senses of human frailty to take in. The supernatural forces at work there were thickly-veiled, lest they had consumed the poor, ignorant standers-by altogether. If this were not the case, the Bible could have been a much smaller volume.

It is time for Christians to cease painting their God with broad, clumsy strokes and proud words as if we know Him like the palms of our hands. I'm speaking to myself, here. To him who has an ear, let him hear.
.

DA Wright: ''... presuming to sum up what she taught on the matter with a single, several-dozen-word quote (which, by the way, contains absolutely no explanation of the doctrine itself) hand-picked by someone who (let's be honest, shall we), in all likelihood, has less interest in examining the thing fairly, than pigs have wings ..."



Attacking my sense of fairness is not a good way to proceed. I have changed my opinions on many occasions. I've read enough Ellen White to know that she misses the point both in the OT and the NT. She misquotes the beliefs of others and she is not fair to those she disagrees with.


Since the Investigative Judgment is a well known belief of the SDA, you seem to arguing that your own church has exaggerated its importance.

 

[Dale]

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!! --- Seriously? You expect me to go by what Catholics believe and taught???? I go by the bible---not by Catholic church fathers!! You are free to follow whomsoever you will!!

According to the SDA, one of the Popes changed the day of worship to Sunday around 350 AD. (Which did not happen.)

Justin Maryr died in 165 AD. Tertullian died in 220 AD. Both of these men died between one and two hundred years before the SDA say that the RCC went off the rails.

The Latin Mass didn't really start until the reign of Pope Gregory the Great, around 600 A.D. (It wasn't fully standardized until the Sixteenth Century!) Neither Justin Martyr or Tertullian ever participated in any Catholic Mass that we would recognize. Think before you dismiss them as "Catholics."

 

[mmksparbud]

According to the SDA, one of the Popes changed the day of worship to Sunday around 350 AD. (Which did not happen.)

Justin Maryr died in 165 AD. Tertullian died in 220 AD. Both of these men died between one and two hundred years before the SDA say that the RCC went off the rails.

The Latin Mass didn't really start until the reign of Pope Gregory the Great, around 600 A.D. (It wasn't fully standardized until the Sixteenth Century!) Neither Justin Martyr or Tertullian ever participated in any Catholic Mass that we would recognize. Think before you dismiss them as "Catholics."

You do not know your history as well as you think you do.

“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...The Protestant World at its birth found the Christian Sabbath too strongly entrenched to run counter to its existence; it was therefore placed under the necessity of acquiescing in the arrangement, thus implying the (Catholic) Church’s right to change the day, for over three hundred years. The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day, the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant World.” James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983.
“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

The first Sunday law: Emperor Constantine was never an official Pope: Official line of succession goes from Paul to Linus to Anacletus. However, he is the first acknowledged Christian to institute Sunday observance laws.

The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D. is :

"On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them the second time." Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; translated in History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff, D.D., (7-vol.ed.) Vol. III, p.380. New York, 1884

 

[klutedavid]

You do not know your history as well as you think you do.

“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...The Protestant World at its birth found the Christian Sabbath too strongly entrenched to run counter to its existence; it was therefore placed under the necessity of acquiescing in the arrangement, thus implying the (Catholic) Church’s right to change the day, for over three hundred years. The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day, the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant World.” James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983.
“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

The first Sunday law: Emperor Constantine was never an official Pope: Official line of succession goes from Paul to Linus to Anacletus. However, he is the first acknowledged Christian to institute Sunday observance laws.

The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D. is :

"On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them the second time." Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; translated in History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff, D.D., (7-vol.ed.) Vol. III, p.380. New York, 1884

The claim was that the Catholic church changed the Sabbath day to Sunday?

The Roman world before emperor Constantine established Sunday as a day of rest, did not observe the Sabbath day as a day of rest.

The Roman world did not have a day of rest on any day of the week before Constantine's declaration. So how can the Catholic church make a claim that they changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday?

 

[mmksparbud]

The claim was that the Catholic church changed the Sabbath day to Sunday?

The Roman world before emperor Constantine established Sunday as a day of rest, did not observe the Sabbath day as a day of rest.

The Roman world did not have a day of rest on any day of the week before Constantine's declaration. So how can the Catholic church make a claim that they changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday?

But the Christians kept the 7th day Sabbath at first. When Christians began to be confused with Jews is when the change took place---they did not want to be associated with the Jews and adopted Sunday instead of the 7th day Sabbath. It is why the Christians began distancing themselves from Jews, it was the easiest thing to do.

Sabbath keepers throughout history

• 
  PAUL
  "And Paul, as his manner was went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures" (Acts 17:2) Did Christ fail to inform Paul on the road to Damascus that there's now a new sabbath? Or rather does the silence of Christ speak volumes against the papal sabbath???
  
  PAUL AND THE GENTILES
  "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of God." Acts 13:42, 44.
  
  Here we find Gentiles in a Gentile city gathering on the Sabbath. It was not a synagogue meeting in verse 44, for it says almost the whole city came together, verse 42 says they asked to hear the message the "next Sabbath."
  
  And get this: The Bible does not say it is the "old Jewish Sabbath that was passed away," but the Spirit of God, writing the Book of Acts some 30 years after the crucifixion, calls it "the next Sabbath."
  
  JOHN
  "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day." Rev.1:10 (Mark 2:28, Isa.58:13, Ex.20:10, Clearly show the Sabbath to be the Lord's day).
  The term "Lord's day" in reference to sunday came later. The Biblical meaning for Lord's day is the day that God calls "My holy day" and the day that Jesus said He is Lord of.
  
  JOSEPHUS
  "There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.
  
  PHILO
  Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99
  
  So we have incontrovertible proof that the observance of sunday was NOT practiced by the apostolic church of the first century. Although the poison of apostasy had already begun, it did not reach the ascendancy until the passage of a few more centuries.
  
  The next installment will show the historical record of the early christians observing the true seventh day Sabbath in the second century A.D.
  

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Second Century A.D.

• 
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  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77
  
  Note: By the "Lord's day" here the writer means Sunday and not the true Sabbath," which the Bible says is the Sabbath. This quotation shows Sunday coming into use in the early centuries soon after the death of the Apostles. It illustrates the apostasy that Paul the Apostle foretold of when he spoke about a great "falling away" from the Truth that would take place soon after his death.
  
  "From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." "Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.
  
  Sunday observance as a way to distance themselves from the Jews was seen as early as AD 110:
  
  If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e., the Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death … (Ignatius, Letter to the Magnesians 9)
  
  That in no way has anything to do with what the bible says is the Sabbath. I have been waiting for over 35 years for that one verse that says: God has changed His 7th day Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week,. Any argument about it would be over.
  What God has written with His own hand on stone--only He can change.

 

[Dale]

[QUOTE="Daniel Marsh, post: 7419372
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

That is all fine and good.

But the most holy portion of the sanctuary is about judgment and that is what Jesus our High Priest is doing today.

We will be judged by the law of GOD which is in the ark of the testament which is below the mercy seat.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Exodus 25
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Jesus showed Moses the tabernacle in Heaven.

Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

The reward is eternal life or destruction. Our Judge, Jesus Christ, makes the decision which reward we will receive.

I can share more about how Jesus in the Heavenly sanctuary is paralleling the High priest's duties in the earth sanctuary if you are interested.

Psalm 77:13
Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?[/QUOTE]



Original Happy Camper in post #45:

<< But the most holy portion of the sanctuary is about judgment and that is what Jesus our High Priest is doing today.

We will be judged by the law of GOD which is in the ark of the testament which is below the mercy seat. >>


Original Happy Camper, you say that Jesus is doing something in the sanctuary, the Heavenly Tabernacle, today. SDA doctrine says that Jesus is performing some cleansing service in the Tabernacle. Here is what the New Testament says that Jesus is doing today.


19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Mark 16:19 RSV

66 When day came, the assembly of the elders of the people gathered together, both chief priests and scribes; and they led him away to their council, and they said, 67 “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you will not believe; 68 and if I ask you, you will not answer. 69 But from now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”
Luke 22: 66-69 RSV

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Colossians 3: 1 RSV

He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high ...
Hebrews 1:3 RSV

But when Christhad offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet.
Hebrews 10: 12-13 RSV

Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12: 1-2 RSV


According to Hebrews chapter Ten, Jesus isn't performing some necessary service in a Heavenly Tabernacle. Instead, He is waiting for the Second Coming and the Judgment, when His enemies will be "made a stool."