Argument for God's existence.

[ToddNotTodd]

atheists don't have an identity of their own, but live as the negation of some thing else. Living as a parasite of sorts only to attack and live on someone else's life. They leach onto religion for their identity, even though they hate religion. Without religion they would have absolutely no power at all. So the thing they hate the most, is crucial for their survival and without it they would have no relevance at all.

I mean a simple google search shows hundreds of cases of scholarly works on the merits and morals of forgiveness:
Handbook of Moral Behavior and Development

There seems to be so much anger in your heart. I doubt it’s healthy for you.

I’m sure there’s a Christian support group that you can lean on while you work through this.

 

[gaara4158]

atheists don't have an identity of their own, but live as the negation of some thing else. Living as a parasite of sorts only to attack and live on someone else's life. They leach onto religion for their identity, even though they hate religion. Without religion they would have absolutely no power at all. So the thing they hate the most, is crucial for their survival and without it they would have no relevance at all.

I mean a simple google search shows hundreds of cases of scholarly works on the merits and morals of forgiveness:
Handbook of Moral Behavior and Development

I’m going to second the motion saying you have a lot of anger in your heart. You truly, madly, deeply hate atheists, don’t you? Who hurt you?

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

For any lurkers reading along,

If you want to be taken seriously when invoking logical fallacies, it is important to know what they are, and how and when they apply. Not just the names of them. Here is a good resource: Logical Fallacies

 

[createdtoworship]

There seems to be so much anger in your heart. I doubt it’s healthy for you.

I’m sure there’s a Christian support group that you can lean on while you work through this.

If I was an atheist, I would have to be self medicated thats for sure. Thank God He intervened. If all I was was the negation of something else, I would feel worthless, irrelevant and depressed. But atheists seem to be more than happy to be just that. Sorry if I am not tempted in the least to be what you guys are. I am not trying to be rude, but trying to reveal that if you are depressed, there is probably a source for that depression in how you view the world. When you believe you have purpose and that God loved you, and desires to be with you every single moment of every day, you tend to be happier and more fulfilled, than believing you evolved from a rock.

 

[Moral Orel]

If I was an atheist, I would have to be self medicated thats for sure. Thank God He intervened. If all I was was the negation of something else, I would feel worthless, irrelevant and depressed. But atheists seem to be more than happy to be just that. Sorry if I am not tempted in the least to be what you guys are. I am not trying to be rude, but trying to reveal that if you are depressed, there is probably a source for that depression in how you view the world.

We "seem" happy because we are. I don't know why you're implying we're depressed after noticing how happy we are. Seems weird.

 

[createdtoworship]

For any lurkers reading along,

If you want to be taken seriously when invoking logical fallacies, it is important to know what they are, and how and when they apply. Not just the names of them. Here is a good resource: Logical Fallacies

can you logically explain why the fallacies that were made, were not made?

I didn't think so.

usually people that are losing a debate, like to attack and then eventually run, or give up.

so this is step one, (the insults)

step two is the giving up part, that will be next

 

[createdtoworship]

We "seem" happy because we are. I don't know why you're implying we're depressed after noticing how happy we are. Seems weird.

you don't seem happy at all.

but that is just how you post.

you post in an angry fashion.

maybe for people that don't call you out, you are nicer and politer, but i haven't seen that part of you.

it has been said that "we know what is inside, when someone pokes us."

what comes out at that point, is what is truly in our heart.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

If I was an atheist, I would have to be self medicated thats for sure. Thank God He intervened. If all I was was the negation of something else, I would feel worthless, irrelevant and depressed. But atheists seem to be more than happy to be just that. Sorry if I am not tempted in the least to be what you guys are. I am not trying to be rude, but trying to reveal that if you are depressed, there is probably a source for that depression in how you view the world.

You're confused.

You purport to derive your sense of meaning and worth from Yahweh. Therefor, your life, not mine, is meaningless and worthless if he doesn't exist.

Kindly do not project your bizarre brand of theistic nihilism onto other people.

you tend to be happier and more fulfilled, than believing you evolved from a rock.

I don't believe that. Neither does anyone who possesses a rudimentary understanding of evolution. Which you do not.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

can you logically explain why the fallacies that were made, were not made?

On the previous page, you accused someone of an 'ad hominem fallacy', who wasn't even making an argument, and 'moving the goalposts', where it did not apply in the slightest.

Just a few examples.

 

[createdtoworship]

You're confused.

You purport to derive your sense of meaning and worth from Yahweh. Therefor, your life, not mine, is meaningless and worthless if he doesn't exist.

Kindly do not project your bizarre brand of theistic nihilism onto other people.



I don't believe that. Neither does anyone who possesses a rudimentary understanding of evolution. Which you do not.

so it made you mad, well it's how i see it. So prove it wrong.

 

[createdtoworship]

On the previous page, you accused someone of an 'ad hominem fallacy', who wasn't even making an argument, and 'moving the goalposts', where it did not apply in the slightest.

Just a few examples.

we all have opinions, I proved it when I made the allegation, now it's your turn to disprove it.

simply saying they are wrong, because you don't like what I represent is not in the slightest bit honest, nice or even worth a reply.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

so it made you mad

No. It amused me.

 

[Moral Orel]

you don't seem happy at all.

I'm absolutely giddy.

but that is just how you post.

you post in an angry fashion.

maybe for people that don't call you out, you are nicer and politer, but i haven't seen that part of you.

it has been said that "we know what is inside, when someone pokes us."

what comes out at that point, is what is truly in our heart.

I kept asking you to be polite. You didn't care to, so now I'm having fun with you.

 

[createdtoworship]

No. It amused me.

I'm absolutely giddy.

I kept asking you to be polite. You didn't care to, so now I'm having fun with you.

Well I am glad we are all having fun. Your welcome. But I must say you guys have my respect. I mean, if my whole worldview existed around negating someone else's worldview, I personally would feel irrelevant and worthless. But you guys seem to be having fun with it, so more power to you.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Well.I am glad we are all having fun. Your welcome. But I must say you guys have my respect. I mean if your whole worldview existed around negating someone else's worldview, I personally would feel Irelevant and worthless. But you guys seem to be having fun with it, so more power to you.

Atheism isn't a worldview.

 

[Moral Orel]

Well.I am glad we are all having fun. Your welcome. But I must say you guys have my respect. I mean if your whole worldview existed around negating someone else's worldview, I personally would feel Irelevant and worthless. But you guys seem to be having fun with it, so more power to you.

My whole worldview exists around having fun. Hanging out around here is only a small part of that.

 

[Moral Orel]

can you logically explain why the fallacies that were made, were not made?

Can you show me that this a logical fallacy at all?

that sir is a fallacy of proving a negative. It is impossible for anyone to prove the absence of anything. It's a fallacy of proving a negative.

I can prove a negative. Consider the following sentence:

Jane threw the ball.

There are no uses of the letter 'Z' in that sentence. I just proved the absence of something.

 

[Ed1wolf]

No. The only reason scientists are able to determine the causes of certain effects is because they already know those causes exist. Scientists do not identify causes merely due to the need for a cause of a singular effect.
And your argument from purpose is really just equivocating purpose with function. It’s really quite asinine.
But even worse is your last argument, which just baldly asserts that God is everything. Just wow. Are you serious?

Fraid so. For example for a long time scientists didn't know that black holes and dark matter existed. But then they started noticing their effects. After studying the effects they came up with both concepts, which were later confirmed by observation. As I said this is done every day by scientists. Function is the determination whether the purpose is being accomplished. If an eye does not function, then it is not fulfilling its purpose. I did not assert that God is everything. That would be a heretical statement for a Christian to make. I said that the universe reflects some of His characteristics just like any human creation. The universe is a diversity within a unity, which is also a major characteristic of the Christian God. In fact, it is His unique characteristic that no other false god has. That is why the universe could not have been created by any other major god.

 

[Ed1wolf]

Equivocation isn’t persuasive to anyone with half a brain. This includes, but is not limited to, the words “purpose”, “code” and “law”.

We’re just not that gullible.

Function and purpose are basically the same thing. Again, do you deny that your eyes are for seeing? Careful study of eye structure shows that they are designed for sight. Even most non-Christian scientists agree that the purpose of eyes is to see.

 

[Ed1wolf]

You mistake exasperation with nonsensical arguments with some misguided idea that people hate something they don’t believe in.

But, I suppose some people need to think that everyone deep down believes in a god...

But they were unable to demonstrate that the arguments were nonsensical. I am sure that may have also contributed to their anger. But I think it goes much deeper.