Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Sets the Record Straight

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No Jason holiness and the desire for it is the natural fruit of one that has been saved in Christ by Gods grace. Not the basis for justification as you insinuate. Your righteousness has nothing to do with you being justified before God. You continue to exalt your works as meritorious rather than laying hold upon Christ’s works that are actually meritorious for the believer. The problem with you and others who believe in a synergistic salvation or cooperative works salvation, is that you all have not come to see your sin before Gods law. Instead you justify yourself before Gods law and put a burden on others for not measuring up to your standard of righteousness. This is opposite of sola fide and represents a counterfeit gospel that saves no one

If the fruit is naturally going to be there, then why does Hebrews 12:14 says we are to pursue holiness or follow after holiness? Verse 15 then starts to talk about how we need to look carefully (look for the Lord) otherwise we can fail the grace of God. However, in your worldview or belief there is no failing the grace of God. But there it is in the Bible.

Also, you say that works do not justify, but James 2:24 says that we are justified by works and not by faith alone. So the Bible is saying one thing, and you are saying another. I prefer to trust the Bible and not you.

 

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To All Who Will Hear:

When Jesus asked, "Woman, where are your accusers?”
Jesus was not justifying her sin. If this was the case, then Jesus would be an accomplice to wrong doing. Jesus forgave her no doubt because she was sorry over what she did. But Jesus wanted to make it clear with her that she was not to treat His grace or forgiveness as a license to sin. Jesus told the woman to "sin no more" (John 8:11). Jesus also said to another to "sin no more" (John 5:14). Jesus did not say to the woman, "Do not worry about putting away your sins; Just trust in me alone," etc. This is what the Belief Alone Proponent message sounds like; But the words of Jesus say otherwise against this imagninary gospel that says that all we have to do is have a Belief Alone in Jesus (and not worry about living holy or do not worry about your sin).

 

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The visible church, is a mix of actual believers and fake believers. But it is not because of sin that these people are fake believers, it is because they have never trusted in The Messiah for His gift of His eternal life.

Then how do you explain 2 Timothy 3:1-9?
It doesn't sound like.... "In the last days perilous times will come, men shall not have faith in the finished work of Christ. They will uplift holiness, and righteousness, but they will be condemned, etc.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

To All Who Will Hear:

When Jesus asked, "Woman, where are your accusers?”
Jesus was not justifying her sin. If this was the case, then Jesus would be an accomplice to wrong doing. Jesus forgave her no doubt because she was sorry over what she did. But Jesus wanted to make it clear with her that she was not to treat His grace or forgiveness as a license to sin. Jesus told the woman to "sin no more" (John 8:11). Jesus also said to another to "sin no more" (John 5:14). Jesus did not say to the woman, "Do not worry about putting away your sins; Just trust in me alone," etc. This is what the Belief Alone Proponent message sounds like; But the words of Jesus say otherwise against this imagninary gospel that says that all we have to do is have a Belief Alone in Jesus (and not worry about living holy or do not worry about your sin).

Does sin no more mean sin no more or does it mean don’t sin as much?

 

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Does sin no more mean sin no more or does it mean don’t sin as much?

It means “sin no more” as it says. If Jesus meant otherwise, He would have said so.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

It means “sin no more” as it says. If Jesus meant otherwise, He would have said so.

Have you been able to attain that level of perfection? I never quite understood that scripture because I’m not one who likes to add my own opinions in. And like you said sin no more means sin no more. So 1 sin it seems would be one too many. So I’m curious as to how many have been able to do it without changing it too fit there definition of sin no more.

 

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Have you been able to attain that level of perfection? I never quite understood that scripture because I’m not one who likes to add my own opinions in. And like you said sin no more means sin no more. So 1 sin it seems would be one too many. So I’m curious as to how many have been able to do it without changing it too fit there definition of sin no more.

John 8
8"No one, sir," she replied. Then Jesus said, "I don't condemn you, either. Go home, and from now on don't sin anymore."

The Pharisees were scandalized when Jesus ministered to tax collectors and prostitutes, sinners. Jesus taught the former to see them as prodigals, children who were lost.

God saw the Jewish observers of His Law as the elder son, the one who had not left the Law. But they were not perfect. They were on a cusp, able to tilt either way, be sinners or not be sinners, because Jesus had been sent. If they believed in Him, they were not sinners!

If they disbelieved, they were sinners, like their fathers who killed the prophets, of whom Jesus was numbered amongst, between the altar and the sanctuary.


Or you could set the criteria like this: as long as you are serving mammon (selfish interest) you are sinning.

 

[Abatan Samuel]

Thank you all for the contributions

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

John 8
8"No one, sir," she replied. Then Jesus said, "I don't condemn you, either. Go home, and from now on don't sin anymore."

The Pharisees were scandalized when Jesus ministered to tax collectors and prostitutes, sinners. Jesus taught the former to see them as prodigals, children who were lost.

God saw the Jewish observers of His Law as the elder son, the one who had not left the Law. But they were not perfect. They were on a cusp, able to tilt either way, be sinners or not be sinners, because Jesus had been sent. If they believed in Him, they were not sinners!

If they disbelieved, they were sinners, like their fathers who killed the prophets, of whom Jesus was numbered amongst, between the altar and the sanctuary.


Or you could set the criteria like this: as long as you are serving mammon (selfish interest) you are sinning.

I know I have been guilty of serving my selfish interest at times before Ive known Jesus and after I’ve known Jesus . Maybe I’m one of the few who still struggles with it all. Must be nice for the ones who don’t have any struggle with sin

 

[Wordkeeper]

I know I have been guilty of serving my selfish interest at times before Ive known Jesus and after I’ve known Jesus . Maybe I’m one of the few who still struggles with it all. Must be nice for the ones who don’t have any struggle with sin

If you are trying to quit, you are being loyal to God, serving Him, believing in Him. Then you are not sinning

 

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Have you been able to attain that level of perfection? I never quite understood that scripture because I’m not one who likes to add my own opinions in. And like you said sin no more means sin no more. So 1 sin it seems would be one too many. So I’m curious as to how many have been able to do it without changing it too fit there definition of sin no more.

Jesus was referring to the kind of sin (i.e. adultery, which is one of the grievous sins mentioned in the Bible that says that it leads to spiritual death). Most are unaware or in denial that there are sins that do not lead unto death. One example is 1 John 5:17. Another one is hidden and secret faults (Psalms 19:12). In other words, Jesus is not talking about the sin unto death or minor transgressions of faults; So obviously Jesus is not talking about reaching a sinless perfection type state. But Jesus is referring to putting away grievous sins that the Bible condemns (like adultery).

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Jesus was referring to the kind of sin (i.e. adultery, which is one of the grievous sins mentioned in the Bible that says that it leads to spiritual death). Most are unaware or in denial that there are sins that do not lead unto death. One example is 1 John 5:17. Another one is hidden and secret faults (Psalms 19:12). In other words, Jesus is not talking about the sin unto death or minor transgressions of faults; So obviously Jesus is not talking about reaching a sinless perfection type state. But Jesus is referring to putting away grievous sins that the Bible condemns (like adultery).

Then I read James 2:10-11 and start to think it’s all just sin in Gods eyes. It can get a little confusing because like I said I’m not going to add in my own commentary.

 

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John 8
8"No one, sir," she replied. Then Jesus said, "I don't condemn you, either. Go home, and from now on don't sin anymore."

The Pharisees were scandalized when Jesus ministered to tax collectors and prostitutes, sinners. Jesus taught the former to see them as prodigals, children who were lost.

God saw the Jewish observers of His Law as the elder son, the one who had not left the Law. But they were not perfect. They were on a cusp, able to tilt either way, be sinners or not be sinners, because Jesus had been sent. If they believed in Him, they were not sinners!

If they disbelieved, they were sinners, like their fathers who killed the prophets, of whom Jesus was numbered amongst, between the altar and the sanctuary.


Or you could set the criteria like this: as long as you are serving mammon (selfish interest) you are sinning.

Do you honestly believe that when Jesus said to the woman to "sin no more" He meant for her to take that as "believe on me"? If so... that is neither supported by the context, by any cross reference, and or by any basic concept of morality via a real world example (Parable).

 

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Then I read James 2:10-11 and start to think it’s all just sin in Gods eyes. It can get a little confusing because like I said I’m not going to add in my own commentary.

Read the context. James is talking about respect of persons (and a lack of loving your neighbor) because certain Hebrew Christians were showing favor to the rich brethren, and not treating the poor brethen with the same favor. James is saying if you were to do that, you will break all of God's laws as a result (and not love your neighbor). Thus, why James drives home his point even more by saying if they were to do that, their faith is dead. They are not showing works of faith (loving their brother) to show that their faith in the Lord is alive and well.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Do you honestly believe that when Jesus said to the woman to "sin no more" He meant for her to take that as "believe on me"? If so... that is neither supported by the context, by any cross reference, and or by morality via a real world example (Parable).

Well if he meant sin no more and she committed even one sin after that then she didn’t sin no more. So how can we understand this without adding in our own opinions? If Jesus told me not sin anymore and 10 years later I did then I failed. Unless I’m missing the point I. What he meant but I don’t like to add to scripture so I choose to say I don’t know but always like hearing others thoughts on these areas that aren’t so clear to me

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Read the context. James is talking about respect of persons (and a lack of loving your neighbor) because certain Hebrew Christians were showing favor to the rich brethren, and not treating the poor brethen with the same favor. James is saying if you were to do that, you will break all of God's laws as a result (and not love your neighbor). Thus, why James drives home his point even more by saying if they were to do that, their faith is dead. They are not showing works of faith (loving their brother) to show that their faith in the Lord is alive and well.

Well if that’s what James clearly said then I guess I missed it. I’ll have to reread. Thanks again.

 

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Well if he meant sin no more and she committed even one sin after that then she didn’t sin no more. So how can we understand this without adding in our own opinions? If Jesus told me not sin anymore and 10 years later I did then I failed. Unless I’m missing the point I. What he meant but I don’t like to add to scripture so I choose to say I don’t know but always like hearing others thoughts on these areas that aren’t so clear to me

But again. The context of the kind of sin Jesus was referring to was the kind of sin that would have condemned her, right? Jesus was not talking about her recent transgression of not taking out the trash the other day (Which would have been a minor fault of character). Jesus was referring to the recent kind of grievous sin (Which is adultery). Adultery through out the New Testament is clearly condemned if somebody does not seek the Lord's forgiveness. See Matthew 5:28-30, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, etc.; So Jesus must be referring to these kinds of sins. It is the most logical choice in light of the whole of Scripture.

 

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Well if that’s what James clearly said then I guess I missed it. I’ll have to reread. Thanks again.

Please read the chapter as it breathing as a whole unit and you will get what James is trying to say.
Most today try to quote a verse out of it's context (i.e. without looking at the other surrounding words).

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

But again. The context of the kind of sin Jesus was referring to was the kind of sin that would have condemned her, right? Jesus was not talking about her recent transgression of not taking out the trash the other day (Which would have been a minor fault of character). Jesus was referring to the recent kind of grievous sin (Which is adultery). Adultery through out the New Testament is clearly condemned if somebody does not seek the Lord's forgiveness. See Matthew 5:28-30, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, etc.; So Jesus must be referring to these kinds of sins. It is the most logical choice in light of the whole of Scripture.

Because you said it’s the most logical I take that as he didn’t say it and you went with the best possible answer. This is where I start to have issues. I’m not saying your wrong I just don’t wanna have to guess no matter how good and educated my guess may be. Thanks

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Please read the chapter as it breathing as a whole unit and you will get what James is trying to say.
Most today try to quote a verse out of it's context (i.e. without looking at the other surrounding words).

I just don’t like having to stitch stuff together. That’s where you get 1000 Christians with differing interpretations.