"If we had confidence that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have said so"

[Go Braves]

And who pays attention to Trump? What with 92% negative news coverage who could ignore the onslaught of left wing media?

His devotees who lap up his every word and believe it no matter how hugely dishonest. But you're right that it would be nice if we had the luxury of not paying that man a dang bit of attention. Unfortunately on account of the job we don't. Donald's earned all that of negative news coverage from around the world.

 

[Allandavid]

You're entitled to your opinion.
Anywho,
Ever hear of a prosecutor being commissioned to exonerate anybody?

oh well. Gotta get some sleep. Ya'll have a good night and God Bless.

In the world of Trump, anything seems possible...

After all, I used to think that the US was a “nation of laws”...

And yet, just in the last day, I see prosecutors refusing a judge’s order to produce documents...

 

[rjs330]

No, he couldn’t...and he explains why...



He couldn’t. Read the report...!



Yet......

Policy is not law. He could have made an allegation of a crime. He didn't. Policy is not law.

I read what he said. Policy is not law

 

[rjs330]

It wasn't an investigation specifically into the President. It was an investigation on whether the Russians interfered in the USA election, and they did find that this happened. This is the biggest take home from the investigation and should spark much concern and people should be demanding that Russia be punished and that USA should put measures in place to address this in future.

BTW, Trump still publicly denies that Russia interfered. So, hence, he is not doing anything about it.

The Report did exonerate everyone in the Trump campaign, in that he had insufficient evidence to push forward with criminal convictions. However, many interactions with the Trump Campaign and the Russians have been documented. These were concerning interactions and were worthy of investigation.
You don't start an investigation knowing that the outcome will be criminal charges.



They found lots of incidents and interactions worthy of investigating, just not enough to bring criminal charges for conspiracy against anyone involved in the Trump campaign.
e.g.
The Trump tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr and the Russians (which was initially covered up, hidden, and lied about).
Paul Manafort sharing polling data with the Russians.
etc


Mueller did not fall short of accusing the president of crimes. The special council were never going to accuse or charge the president of crimes even if the President did clearly commit crimes.



Trump is to be treated as if he is innocent, yes.


Mueller stated the reason why he wouldn't have accused the president of a crime. This reason has nothing to do with the evidence found or presented. Nothing to do with whether the President actually committed crimes or not.

Therefore this is a moot point. Noone is suggesting that Mueller or the Special Council has accused the president of a crime.

You might as well keep going on about how the latest version of the Edmond's cook book hasn't accused Trump of criminal wrong doing. As if this would be some interesting point of significance??

It's funny how so many people kept talking about Trump collaborating with the Russians and how it was treasoness etc etc. Then suddenly when no collusion, collaboration etc was found suddenly "well Trump wasn't being investigated anyway.". It doesn't matter. Neither Trump nor his associates were found to have worked with the Russians. End if story.

Mueller could have alleged crimes. He didn't. Policy is not law. He chose not to. If he had actually found criminal activity he could have said so. The fact he didn't is telling. And all this excusing him because of policy is just lipstick on a pig. He didn't so we'll just buy his excuse because we can't stand Trump.

 

[rjs330]

Not quite accurate. It didn’t stand up to Barr’s scrutiny.....

And his analysis is increasingly showing itself to be nothing more than an attempt to protect Trump....

Strange that almost 1000 former federal prosecutors state that it would be a slam-dunk case of obstruction, don’t you think...?

No because they haven't seen the investigation. They saw Meullers report, but that's not enough to prosecute. It's telling to me that these so called prosecutors would make such a claim before seeing all the investigation. Any prosecutor worth his salt wouldn't do that.

 

[rjs330]

Hey, whatever ya know?

Bottom line/s:
The DOJ isn't going to charge Trump.
Pelosi is not going to support proceedings for impeachment.

I agree. I think the Dems won't pursue impeachment proceedings because they can continue to accuse Trump of obstructing without having to prove it. They will try and make hay out of it until the next election. If they tried to impeach and they failed that would be a benefit to Trump.

It could be a good strategy. But then by then maybe enough Americans would see through that and Trump gets.re-elected.

 

[rjs330]

In the world of Trump, anything seems possible...

After all, I used to think that the US was a “nation of laws”...

And yet, just in the last day, I see prosecutors refusing a judge’s order to produce documents...

Judges have no right to order that certain documents be produced. If those documents are deemed as secret he can't just make them be revealed.

 

[Allandavid]

Policy is not law. He could have made an allegation of a crime. He didn't. Policy is not law.

I read what he said. Policy is not law

Ah, but because you pray at the altar of Trump, you may be unaware that there still exist people of principle. Mueller appears to be one of those people....he observes policies, he takes orders....

 

[Allandavid]

No because they haven't seen the investigation. They saw Meullers report, but that's not enough to prosecute. It's telling to me that these so called prosecutors would make such a claim before seeing all the investigation. Any prosecutor worth his salt wouldn't do that.

It’s rather damning that, even only having seen the redacted version, they still feel that a conviction would be child’s play...

And “so called”...??

(“Fake news” in 5..4..3..]

 

[Allandavid]

Judges have no right to order that certain documents be produced. If those documents are deemed as secret he can't just make them be revealed.

Please indicate the “secret” documents in this case...

And a federal judge most certainly does have that right...

 

[stevil]

It's funny how so many people kept talking about Trump collaborating with the Russians and how it was treasoness etc etc.

I don't know much about that.

I did see lots of media coverage about the Trump tower meeting with Russians, and that did happen.
And lots of media about the Special Council investigation, which seems warranted and important. But most people seemed to be waiting for the report findings.

Even though Jr and Trump himself initially tried to cover that up.
There certainly is still much mystery about Trump's solo meeting with Putin, and why Trump still denies that Russia attempted to interfere in the election.
But that said, there is much trust in the Special Council report.

Then suddenly when no collusion, collaboration etc was found suddenly "well Trump wasn't being investigated anyway.".

From my own perspective, I think the president should be investigated. I don't think the president should be held above the law. I certainly thought that if evidence led towards the president's actions then those should be followed up and charges should be filed. So I do find the DOJ guidelines frustrating.

But that said, even though it seems Mueller is a lifelong Republican support, it seems he is trustworthy in doing an impartial investigation. So I'm not complaining about that.
And it seems that the process is to fall on Congress to do the formal impeachment thing.
I'm not worried that Mueller didn't make the judgement because he laid out all the evidence. Congress can seek legal advice and lay charges if legal advice tells them it is warranted.

It doesn't matter. Neither Trump nor his associates were found to have worked with the Russians. End if story.

They did work with the Russians and the evidence is in the report. It just doesn't meet the criteria as being criminal.

Mueller could have alleged crimes. He didn't. Policy is not law. He chose not to.

This is beside the point. Mueller stated why he chose not to.

If he had actually found criminal activity he could have said so. The fact he didn't is telling.

No, its not telling at all. He clearly explained why he didn't and it had nothing to do with the evidence or lack there of.

He didn't so we'll just buy his excuse because we can't stand Trump.

No, not at all.
It tells us that the Special council didn't clear Trump of obstruction and that it is upto Congress if they want to take this further, given the documented accounts and evidence of Trump's actions.

 

[KCfromNC]

Policy is not law. Mueller could have said he believed Trump committed a crime.

He could have done lots of things. Why are you so stuck on him not doing this one particular thing? Please be specific how exactly the report would have been improved if he had.

Trump was NOT accused of committing a crime.

He also wasn't accused of being from Mars - both are questions Mueller didn't think it worthwhile to discuss given the circumstances of the report. Do you understand why?

 

[KCfromNC]

Good news, folks! Michael Flynn's case is before a judge, who has demanded not only that he submit and make public some taped and other evidence (which might of course implicate "Individual 1") but also demanded that ALL redactions in the Mueller Report concerning the Flynn case be immediately be made public.

Three cheers for getting closer to the truth.

Uh, about that- DoJ refuses court order to release Flynn transcript

Federal prosecutors on Friday declined to make public transcripts of recorded conversations between Michael Flynn and Russia’s ambassador to the United States in December 2016, despite a judge’s order.
​

 

[KCfromNC]

BTW, Trump still publicly denies that Russia interfered.

Except for the Tweet where he admitted Russia helped him without his knowledge. Getting closer to the truth, unintentionally I'd guess.

 

[KCfromNC]

Assumption of criminal acts has little basis without substantial evidence to support a charge of a crime committed

Luckily the evidence is described in detail of Volume II of Mueller's report. Have you read it yet?

 

[KCfromNC]

And who pays attention to Trump? What with 92% negative news coverage who could ignore the onslaught of left wing media?

Any other Fox News / RNC / RT talking points you feel the need to post?

 

[KCfromNC]

Policy is not law. He could have made an allegation of a crime. He didn't.

Why is this so important to you? Why single out this one particular thing he didn't write about rather than want to discuss the details of what he did?

 

[rambot]

Policy is not law. He could have made an allegation of a crime. He didn't. Policy is not law.

I read what he said. Policy is not law

I'm setting up a Community garden. The policy hoops I have to jump through are ridiculous. And I MUST jump through them.

For a community garden.

Imagine how enshrined policy is treated for things of ACTUAL import?

 

[Speedwell]

It's funny how so many people kept talking about Trump collaborating with the Russians and how it was treasoness etc etc. Then suddenly when no collusion, collaboration etc was found suddenly "well Trump wasn't being investigated anyway.". It doesn't matter. Neither Trump nor his associates were found to have worked with the Russians. End if story.

Mueller could have alleged crimes. He didn't. Policy is not law. He chose not to. If he had actually found criminal activity he could have said so. The fact he didn't is telling. And all this excusing him because of policy is just lipstick on a pig. He didn't so we'll just buy his excuse because we can't stand Trump.

No, it's not the "end of story." Mueller's primary responsibility was to investigate Russian interference. He found plenty, despite your Golden Boy's continued denials and his attempt to discredit those findings by misrepresenting the investigation as being all about "Getting Trump."

 

[Fantine]

The Republicans who read the Mueller Report acted on it immediately, cutting funding to protect our elections from cyber attack and hacking.

While they are neglecting cyberwarfare from a major power, they are trying to distract us by pretending starving Central American families are the real problem.

While there may be a few Republicans who sincerely believe a penniless Guatemalan is more dangerous than a Russian hacker, I look at most as accomplices who are aiding our enemies.