Shimokita
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No, canon law does not state that "I am sunk". Please show me where.According to canon law you are sunk!!
Here is a link to the code of canon law:
Code of Canon Law
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No, canon law does not state that "I am sunk". Please show me where.According to canon law you are sunk!!
Is Missing Sunday Mass a Mortal Sin?No, canon law does not state that "I am sunk". Please show me where.
Here is a link to the code of canon law:
Code of Canon Law
I think that we are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on these matters, otherwise we get into a two horse race which will end in just a stalemate. (sorry about the mixed metaphor!).That's nice, but you still have not produced anything in the canon law that teaches that "I am sunk".
I doubt that you have even ever read the code of canon law. I am amused.
You can respectfully disagree all you like. None of that changes the fact that you haven’t even looked at the code of canon law. It is amusing that you are going around protesting things that you have not even looked at.I think that we are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on these matters, otherwise we get into a two horse race which will end in just a stalemate. (sorry about the mixed metaphor!).
It is interesting being dead in Christ because that makes me nothing at all, so my opinion, in itself is worth nothing except to those who may think it is worth something to them. So, whether I agree or disagree, that also means nothing, like Solomon says in Ecclesiastes: "All is vanity!"You can respectfully disagree all you like. None of that changes the fact that you haven’t even looked at the code of canon law. It is amusing that you are going around protesting things that you have not even looked at.
None of that changes the fact that you haven’t even looked at the code of canon law.It is interesting being dead in Christ because that makes me nothing at all, so my opinion, in itself is worth nothing except to those who may think it is worth something to them. So, whether I agree or disagree, that also means nothing, like Solomon says in Ecclesiastes: "All is vanity!"
So, because this thread has now become a two horse race, it has turned to vanity and nothing more of value to me.
I think we need to clarify what you stated. Here is a quote from an article called, "How to stop being Catholic"I am a cradle Catholic (yes, it says Lutheran, but I was attending a Lutheran church and I am personally not able to change it back) having been baptized as an infant by my family. I want out of Catholicism, but there is no way to do that because back in 2009 they made it so you cannot formally leave the church anymore. Once baptized Catholic always Catholic and all that.
Had I been given a choice as to what church I wanted to belong to it wouldn't have been the Catholic church.
I think we need to clarify what you stated. Here is a quote from an article called, "How to stop being Catholic"
"When you leave the Church by a formal act. In Canon Law, this is known as "defection from the Catholic Church by a formal act" (in Latin: actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia catholica). The details of how you do this practically were recently clarified by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts (on 13 March 2006). Here is the essential excerpt:
"1. For the abandonment of the Catholic Church to be validly configured as a true actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia so that the exceptions foreseen in the previously mentioned canons would apply, it is necessary that there concretely be:
a) the internal decision to leave the Catholic Church;
b) the realization and external manifestation of that decision; and
c) the reception of that decision by the competent ecclesiastical authority."
Baptism is an indelible permanant seal, like being born
The Actus Formulus document by the Vatican says:
It remains clear, in any event, that the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church, conferred by the baptismal character, is an ontological and permanent bond which is not lost by reason of any act or fact of defection.
Someone can be in "apostacy", drifted away, or may have formally ceased being Catholic by writing a letter. However, once Baptism is conferred upon someone, the sacramental bond can never be undone, even though the saving grace and power can be lost through sin, or through a formal act of defection."
Bear in mind, they consider anyone with a trinitarian baptism to be "Catholic", so even if you were born, raised, and baptized in, say, an Episcopal church and never set foot in a Catholic church, you're considered a member of the Catholic church by virtue of your baptism.
That is also not really correct. RCIA is not a sacrament.I'm not sure that is correct. They say you have a valid baptism if done per Catholic standards, but I have never heard that you are a member of the Catholic church if baptized in another denomination.
To become a member of the Catholic church one needs to go through RCIA.
I quoted from a Catholic document from 2006 on how to "leave" the Catholic church. It seems that this changed in 2009 per this Wiki link:In other words, as was said above, once Catholic always Catholic. I'm stuck in a church I would have never joined if given the choice like the person you quoted above.
I have been told that the clarified the law or something back in 2009 which took away the ability to formally defect from the church.
That is also not really correct. RCIA is not a sacrament.
The sacraments of initiation into the Catholic Church are Confirmation, Baptism and Holy Communion. Receiving them is how one becomes a Catholic. RCIA prepares a convert to receive those sacraments, it's true. But realistically, a priest can administer those sacraments to pretty much anybody at pretty much any time, bypassing RCIA at his own discretion if he chooses to do so. Now, that's pretty rare, of course. But it's not unheard of.
I want out of Catholicism
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You could, if you wanted, just identify yourself as a Christian; nothing wrong with that.
● 1Pet 4:16 . . But whoever is made to suffer as a Christian should not be ashamed, but glorify God because of the name.
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I am a cradle Catholic (yes, it says Lutheran, but I was attending a Lutheran church and I am personally not able to change it back) having been baptized as an infant by my family. I want out of Catholicism, but there is no way to do that because back in 2009 they made it so you cannot formally leave the church anymore. Once baptized Catholic always Catholic and all that.
Had I been given a choice as to what church I wanted to belong to it wouldn't have been the Catholic church.
In other words, as was said above, once Catholic always Catholic. I'm stuck in a church I would have never joined if given the choice like the person you quoted above.
I have been told that the clarified the law or something back in 2009 which took away the ability to formally defect from the church.