means of grace

[StillGods]

is there a verse that says the phrase 'means of grace'?

 

[HTacianas]

is there a verse that says the phrase 'means of grace'?

I do not believe so. Is there anything in particular it pertains to?

 

[Jonaitis]

is there a verse that says the phrase 'means of grace'?

As far as I know, there doesn't exist such a phrase.

 

[StillGods]

so it's not Biblical then maybe?

 

[Jonaitis]

so it's not Biblical then maybe?

I thought this was a genuine question.

 

[StillGods]

it is.

 

[mark kennedy]

Is it a concept perhaps, it's an intriguing phrase.

 

[StillGods]

could be

 

[Tigger45]

My apologies I did not realize this was a denomination specific forum.

 

[StillGods]

Right, ‘means of grace’ is a phrase inferring a way in which God’s grace is distributed. Like in baptism it is a biblically prescribed way to be administered God’s forgiveness. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

it's a man made invented by people phrase not a phrase used in the Bible though, I guess that's what I find the difficulty with.

I see baptism slightly differently than this part of the forum, I dont see it as anything other than symbolic, not a special pouring out of grace.
it's a very special time in a believers life dont get me wrong, should they choose to take that step of obedience its wonderful very special, but not necessary for salvation. there are many verses about forgiveness of sin that talk about believing in Jesus for that with no mention of baptism.
so the phrase 'means of grace' is a cause for pondering for me. if it's not in the Bible then why use it.
that's where I'm coming from.

 

[Tigger45]

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[StillGods]

Thank you for sharing the verse.
I guess with that verse it depends how you read the 'for'...ie. get baptized 'because' you've been forgiven or get baptized so you will be forgiven. to me it can be read both ways.

There are other sections of scripture which say things like:
"Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel -- not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
1 Corinthians 1:13-17

Paul here kinda says the gospel is separate from baptism, if you wanted to read it that way. Paul is more interested in people hearing the gospel and getting saved than getting baptized.

as I said baptism is a special time in a believers life but it is not necessary for salvation, the gospel is but not baptism.

anyway, I'm pondering on the phrase 'means of grace' is it even a thing? or just something people created that's not in the Bible after all and maybe even adds extra layers where there aren't any.?

I will keep pondering.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Right, ‘means of grace’ is a phrase inferring a way in which God’s grace is distributed. Like in baptism it is a biblically prescribed way to be administered God’s forgiveness. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Baptism is made in Christ's name, because Christ's work made Baptism's gift possible, since it's made unto sin's remission. Sins' forgiveness, pardon, is given to the sinner through regeneration's washing. Baptism's water gives sins' remission as earned by Christ.

 

[StillGods]

so if you dont get baptized your sins aren't forgiven... I dont think so.

Believing in Jesus and what He accomplished on the Cross, His blood shed on the Cross pays for our sins, not baptism.

For God so loved the world He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life... oh oops but believing in Jesus is not enough you also you have to get baptized..?! hmm dont think so.


Ttalkkugjil:
Baptism's gift? what on earth?? now it's gone well away from scripture.
I just saw you are pro-polygamy wow, so I dont think I'll be listening to anything you have to say from now on. oh well.

 

[Tigger45]

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[StillGods]

Straw man-No body said that.

But Acts 2:38 does still say baptism does forgive sins so it is 'a' means prescribe in scripture to receive the Lord's grace not the only means of that very same grace.

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as I said earlier that verse can be read two ways so not necessarily.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Right, ‘means of grace’ is a phrase inferring a way in which God’s grace is distributed. Like in baptism it is a biblically prescribed way to be administered God’s forgiveness. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Is it necessary to be reminded you're posting in "Ask a Calvinist" forum not "Debate a Calvinist" forum?

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This verse has a context, the call is general, the audience is considered lost, dead in sins and trespasses, and probably located near a body of water. In this context, the audience would be receiving the whole Christian experience at once. Also notice the sentence structure and the word "REPENT", this is crucial to "for the forgiveness of sins", for baptism without repentance is of no effect. I think history would tell us, many a dry sinner has been baptized only to become a wet sinner. This is a popular verse ripped out of context by the works-righteousness crowd. No doctrine can stand on one verse, it is an unsound method for establishing doctrine.

 

[twin1954]

Means of grace is where the term sacrament comes from. It is a throwback from before the Reformation. A thing becomes a sacrament because grace is supposedly conveyed through it. It is unbiblical and causes believers to look to a means other than Christ.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Means of grace is where the term sacrament comes from. It is a throwback from before the Reformation. A thing becomes a sacrament because grace is supposedly conveyed through it. It is unbiblical and causes believers to look to a means other than Christ.

No, because Christ saves and strengthens via the means. All glory is Christ's.

 

[StillGods]

Means of grace is where the term sacrament comes from. It is a throwback from before the Reformation. A thing becomes a sacrament because grace is supposedly conveyed through it. It is unbiblical and causes believers to look to a means other than Christ.

yes, this is what it seems to me aswell.
thank you for saying this.