There will be different versions of Mueller report for different people...

[The Barbarian]

It is important to note that since the report is viewable by everyone, it is also viewable by the entire Mueller team. So if Barr didn't put out the same report the Mueller team sent to him, they would call him out on it. But they didn't.

Fact-checking claims by Trump and Barr against Mueller's report
Fact-checking claims by Trump and Barr against Mueller's report

There's a lot of things he wasn't entirely honest about...

 

[redleghunter]

The WH has since admitted that the president and the justice department were discussing the case.

The case of whether or not to exercise executive privilege. Which Trump did not, thus exploding an already made WashPo headline reading "Trump obstructs Mueller report by invoking his legal right of executive privilege." Since that headline had to be squashed given Trump did not invoke his legal rights to do so.

Barbarian observes:
So no one was surprised to learn that he was warning Trump about what was in the report before he let anyone else see it.

Barr had a legal obligation for the Administration to review the report and decide whether or not portions should be redacted based on executive privilege.

What the Democrats and the Left press are upset about is that legally Trump would see the report before they could get their paws on it and get ahead of the spin cycle. That's what this is about...framing the narrative. What they have been doing since January 2017. In this case based on law they could not get ahead of the spin cycle to feed the next false narrative to the American People.

 

[redleghunter]

Fact-checking claims by Trump and Barr against Mueller's report
Fact-checking claims by Trump and Barr against Mueller's report

There's a lot of things he wasn't entirely honest about...

Not a credible source. We require an independent source to filter out the bias of "fact checking" by the liberal media.

 

[Gigimo]

He probably has piles of NYTs and WashPo articles he will enter into the record.

Not to mention several CNN and MSNBC panels. They all said there was collusion, that it was true and there was evidence...so it must be true!

That wouldn't surprise me in the least, Pencilneck has his own "reality tunnel" and he's sticking to it.

 

[redleghunter]

Unfortunately, the republicans couldn't substantiate that belief. Like bigfoot and the tooth fairy, it exists only in the imagination.

No Comey actually cited the US code Hillary violated with the private server. The DoJ told him they would not prosecute her, so it became a "matter" and swept under the carpet.

18 U.S. Code § 2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

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Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
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Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, § 552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)


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Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
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For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
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In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
(Added Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, § 808(a), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3453; amended Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, § 4002(d)(1)(C)(i), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809; Pub. L. 115–118, title II, § 202, Jan. 19, 2018, 132 Stat. 19.)

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What's interesting is there is actual evidence she did this and it was produced by Comey before the US House.

 

[Gigimo]

LOL Barr has altered the Mueller report and Mueller is being silenced.

Is that the silliness they came up to explain why Mueller wasn't there for the unveiling of the "witch hunt papers" yesterday?

(I would not be surprised in the least if that was true).

 

[Gigimo]

What's interesting is there is actual evidence she did this and it was produced by Comey before the US House.

Now you know you're not allowed to point that out and shoot holes in the "popular rhetoric", I'm going to have to take your cookies away from you.

 

[Yarddog]

It's fact. Hillary did not deny her campaign along with the DNC hired Fusion GPS through a law firm.

Hiring a firm to do opposition research is not conspiring with a foreign government to interfere in an election, which Trump was being investigated of. Your assessment of what occurred is unfounded.

She actually paid them to do the research.

Again, and???

Fusion GPS hired Steele and Steele paid off Russian agents he knew to collect data on Trump and his campaign.

Did Steele collect the information illegally? Did the Clinton campaign hire Steele or did Fusion? We're any of those involved trying to receive special influence from a future President? There is a stark difference between what Trump overtly did and what the Clinton campaign did.

These are admitted facts to which Hillary said "it's not illegal to do opposition research."

Not as long as one does nothing illegal while collecting that research. Hacking is illegal.

Yet what she and the DNC actually did is what Trump was accused of...coordinating with a foreign government to influence an election.

Totally incorrect. Clinton legally did opposition research. There was no coordinating with a foreign government. Trump was investigated to determine if his campaign conspired with the Russian government to hack into the DNC servers, which occurred. Trump's ties into Russia was investigated to see if he had been compromised to give favors to Russia.

Trump's actions led to this investigation. His big mouth brought the suspicion. His constant lies worsened things for him and his lawyer's best move was to keep him from direct testimony because Trump cannot help himself. He is a liar who cannot separate truth from fiction. He would have lied to Mueller and that is a fact.

 

[redleghunter]

Several of the obstruction of justice provisions prohibit "endeavors" to obstruct. Section 1503 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits "endeavors" to tamper with jurors and officers of the court. The omnibus clauses of sections 1503 and 1505 prohibit "endeavors" to obstruct justice as well as actual obstructions of justice.
1736. Inchoate Obstruction Of Justice Offenses

Does not cover advisors unless the power of the advisor is exercised.

Meaning if an advisor or official had power to fire or retain another official and the President obstructed them in their duties to do so, then there would be violation of law. In this case Trump had the power to fire or retain, not the gopher bringing his message. The messenger obviously convinced the one with power to not exercise his legal right to terminate Mueller.

Even if Trump did terminate Mueller, it would not have terminated the investigation. It would once again be a legal interpretation and not an iron clad violation of US code.

Once again a big nothing burger. Since Trump did not terminate Mueller, the point is irrelevant. If he did then the Mueller report would have been much different. Lyndon Johnson wanted to Nuke North Vietnam. His advisors talked him out of it. That's what advisors are for....advising.

The only one obstructed in this case was Trump. Don't see him complaining about the outcome of actually listening to sound advice.

 

[The Barbarian]

Does not cover advisors unless the power of the advisor is exercised.

As you realize, an attempt at obstruction is, under federal law, a crime.

Even if Trump did terminate Mueller, it would not have terminated the investigation.

All that's necessary is to establish that he sought to do so.

It would once again be a legal interpretation and not an iron clad violation of US code.

It's in the U.S. code, as you have seen.

 

[redleghunter]

Hiring a firm to do opposition research is not conspiring with a foreign government to interfere in an election, which Trump was being investigated of. Your assessment of what occurred is unfounded.

It is your choice to ignore the facts. The Trump dossier was obtained through a foreign retire spy who gained his information from Russian officials. It was paid for by the Clinton and DNC campaigns. Those are the facts which people can draw their own conclusions.

Yet, what transpired via foreign contacts to obtain dirt on Trump is exactly the degrees of separation the Mueller probe was commissioned to investigate. An investigation based on the opposition research.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's fact. Hillary did not deny her campaign along with the DNC hired Fusion GPS through a law firm. She actually paid them to do the research. Fusion GPS hired Steele and Steele paid off Russian agents he knew to collect data on Trump and his campaign. These are admitted facts to which Hillary said "it's not illegal to do opposition research." She's right it's not illegal.

It's not illegal to pay people. It's illegal if one receives anything of value without paying for it. Like the attempt to do so at the Trump tower meeting. Ironically, if the Russian agents had told Don Jr. they expected to be paid for it, it would have been legal.

 

[redleghunter]

Hiring a firm to do opposition research is not conspiring with a foreign government to interfere in an election, which Trump was being investigated of. Your assessment of what occurred is unfounded.

Again, and???

Did Steele collect the information illegally? Did the Clinton campaign hire Steele or did Fusion? We're any of those involved trying to receive special influence from a future President? There is a stark difference between what Trump overtly did and what the Clinton campaign did.


Not as long as one does nothing illegal while collecting that research. Hacking is illegal.

Totally incorrect. Clinton legally did opposition research. There was no coordinating with a foreign government. Trump was investigated to determine if his campaign conspired with the Russian government to hack into the DNC servers, which occurred. Trump's ties into Russia was investigated to see if he had been compromised to give favors to Russia.

Trump's actions led to this investigation. His big mouth brought the suspicion. His constant lies worsened things for him and his lawyer's best move was to keep him from direct testimony because Trump cannot help himself. He is a liar who cannot separate truth from fiction. He would have lied to Mueller and that is a fact.

Hey you pose some really good questions. Maybe we need a special prosecutor to look into the Clinton/DNC-Fusion GPS-Steele-Russia connection. I mean there is even a paper trail of who got paid and when. Any junior partner in a DC law firm could spend a couple of nights figuring this out. It's so well documented and admitted to that it won't take two years to figure out.

 

[redleghunter]

There was no coordinating with a foreign government.

Who did Steele hire to obtain the information to create the dossier? Travel agents in Moscow?

 

[Gigimo]

Lyndon Johnson wanted to Nuke North Vietnam. His advisors talked him out of it. That's what advisors are for....advising.

Speaking of LBJ do you remember that he was likely going to be indicted/prosecuted on multiple counts of corruption, and Kennedy being assassinated is the only thing that kept that from happening?

 

[redleghunter]

Does not cover advisors unless the power of the advisor is exercised.

As you realize, an attempt at obstruction is, under federal law, a crime.

What was the attempt? You have not explained this. The message never reached Mueller and his investigation was not obstructed.

I guess your question may be "in whose mind is this considered obstruction or an attempt at obstructing." No juror, nor judge or investigator was contacted. Trump did not push the 'nuclear button."

 

[Gigimo]

Who did Steele hire to obtain the information to create the dossier? Travel agents in Moscow?

Probably the same folks Schiff talked to about getting confirmation the dossier on Trump was true.

LISTEN To Adam Schiff Get Pranked on Trump Dirt By Russian Comics - Big League Politics

 

[Justified112]

Fact-checking claims by Trump and Barr against Mueller's report
Fact-checking claims by Trump and Barr against Mueller's report

There's a lot of things he wasn't entirely honest about...

If that were true the Mueller team would have called him out on it. And there is no incentive for him to be dishonest since the report is now in the public domain.

 

[Justified112]

Unfortunately, the republicans couldn't substantiate that belief. Like bigfoot and the tooth fairy, it exists only in the imagination.

Actually, they did and they have done it over and over and over.

The bigfoot and tooth fairy analogy is more applicable to collusion and obstruction.

Several of the obstruction of justice provisions prohibit "endeavors" to obstruct. Section 1503 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits "endeavors" to tamper with jurors and officers of the court. The omnibus clauses of sections 1503 and 1505 prohibit "endeavors" to obstruct justice as well as actual obstructions of justice.

1736. Inchoate Obstruction Of Justice Offenses

Unless the Supreme Court overturns the current law, Mueller has documented several felonies by Trump.

But nothing Trump did falls under how that links defines "endeavor to obstruct."

 

[Justified112]

This is the 'new' conspiracy. LOL Barr has altered the Mueller report and Mueller is being silenced. The House now wants Mueller to testify. What is he going to say? "Congressmen, please refer to page 200 of the report I issued..." LOL.

Exactly. All he is going to be able to do is point them to the report which is laid out in amazingly precise detail. And Mueller doesn't give them what they want, they will demonize him and call him a Trump puppet. They will not be kind to Mueller.

What is do disturbing about not only what the Dems in Congress are saying, and what liberals are saying on this very board, is that they would have preferred for the country's security and elections to be compromised. They would have preferred for us to be less secure and are willing to put this country in danger in order to smear Trump.

This was never about getting to the truth. It was nothing more than attempt to get rid of Trump and they are willing to go to any lengths, even sacrifice the welling being of the United States in order to do it. They don't care whose lives and reputations they have to destroy, they don't care who they have to step on, as long as they can destroy Trump.

We are getting a taste of the totalitarian police state that the Dems would erect if they ever get their hands on all of the levers of power in this country. The Dems know of no limits when it comes to investigations an inquisitions.