Believers’ faith must endure until the end of their lives!

[1stcenturylady]

I think you inserted the word intentional there. The bible just says forgive.

I already showed you the verse Leviticus 5:15 that shows that "trespasses" are unintentional.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If they are already saved and do bad things, they will be judged for it, and it could even mean God takes our life here. It does not mean anyone loses eternal salvation.

Study the scriptures for yourself. Are you just believing your teachers, and your own Bible is covered in dust? What you are believing is as old as the Reformation. But they were wrong. Jesus says of that church age (Sardis), "you have a reputation that you are alive, but you are dead." Take heed.

Galatians 5:
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Name me anyone that is perfect right now?? You kidding? What an insult to pretend anyone is or should be in this life. Not even Paul counted himself to have attained. Look around where are the perfect people you imagine exist somehow somewhere? The pope? I think not. Trump? Ha. Clinton? Hahahaha. So...where are they, in hiding?

Matthew 5:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

I suppose you think He meant when you are dead. Jesus was not lying to us. He gives us His own Spirit so that we can be perfect NOW. Though it is the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit that gets us there.

 

[Gods not mad]

Post #8 in this thread is not from you or addressing John 15 friend.

Gods not made. Grace and grace alone

 

[pasifika]

Paul is refuting the verse you quoted friend. He asked those two questions as examples of someone who does not understand.

“So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?”
‭‭ROMANS‬ ‭9:18-22‬ ‭NASB‬‬

What do you mean? Someone who doesn't understand His sovereign choice? Of course no one can understand God and His choice unless He is willing to reveal it to you...we are just human who cannot free ourselves from bandage to SIN unless for the kindness, and merciful God who provide us with a way out...So my friend, explain then to me how you interpret those verse you quoted so maybe I didn't understand...

 

[dad]

Is that a statement, or are you trying to debate something I said???

You associated the suffering with the new testament.

 

[dad]

Study the scriptures for yourself. Are you just believing your teachers, and your own Bible is covered in dust? What you are believing is as old as the Reformation. But they were wrong. Jesus says of that church age (Sardis), "you have a reputation that you are alive, but you are dead." Take heed.

Galatians 5:
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Context. They accused Jesus of being a wine bibber, so He drank, that doesn't mean drunkenness. Noah got drunk, doesn't mean he was not saved. Selfish ambitions are all around us in the world both of believers and otherwise. Wanting to be promoted to make more dough or get easier work etc does not mean we are damned. If we go to a comedy club and repeat a joke that may be considered lewd, doesn't mean we burn forever in hell. If we get angry driving, that does not damn us either. Murder...if you ever had a moment of hate you are a murderer, no hell there either. So what is being talked about here? Obviously people who have refused to come to Jesus and want to continue practicing various sins. This is not about God taking His gift of eternal life back.

 

[dad]

Matthew 5:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

I suppose you think He meant when you are dead. Jesus was not lying to us. He gives us His own Spirit so that we can be perfect NOW. Though it is the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit that gets us there.

The only perfection we will have in this life is Him in us. One day we shall be perfect, and made perfect. Not here. I see you offered no people who were perfect to support your misconception we need to be perfect now. Ha.

 

[1stcenturylady]

You associated the suffering with the new testament.

I'm associating the suffering servant with the prophecy that the Jews missed.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Context. They accused Jesus of being a wine bibber, so He drank, that doesn't mean drunkenness. Noah got drunk, doesn't mean he was not saved. Selfish ambitions are all around us in the world both of believers and otherwise. Wanting to be promoted to make more dough or get easier work etc does not mean we are damned. If we go to a comedy club and repeat a joke that may be considered lewd, doesn't mean we burn forever in hell. If we get angry driving, that does not damn us either. Murder...if you ever had a moment of hate you are a murderer, no hell there either. So what is being talked about here? Obviously people who have refused to come to Jesus and want to continue practicing various sins. This is not about God taking His gift of eternal life back.

I agree. Those who fulfill the lusts of the flesh are not saved. Only those who walk in the Spirit, meaning they've been baptized in the Holy Spirit, belong to Christ, and cannot sin any more than Christ could. The Spirit gives us the same seed of the Father. 1 John 3:9

I'm glad you, at least, haven't bought into the false doctrine that a Christian does fulfill the lusts of the flesh, but "not inheriting the Kingdom of God" means, all they lose are rewards, but are still saved! Have you ever hear such nonsense! If you haven't, I'd be surprised, as you seem to have the rest of their teachings down pat.

 

[dad]

I'm associating the suffering servant with the prophecy that the Jews missed.

I'll let that go then.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The only perfection we will have in this life is Him in us. One day we shall be perfect, and made perfect. Not here. I see you offered no people who were perfect to support your misconception we need to be perfect now. Ha.

The person in this lifetime that has the seed of the Father and does not willfully sin, and who loves their neighbor, is perfect.

James 1:1-5
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.


Maybe what you need is a good trial.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I'll let that go then.

Thank you.

 

[dad]

I agree. Those who fulfill the lusts of the flesh are not saved. Only those who walk in the Spirit, meaning they've been baptized in the Holy Spirit, belong to Christ, and cannot sin any more than Christ could. The Spirit gives us the same seed of the Father. 1 John 3:9

Remember we are not the judge. If we had seen Noah corked that one day we might have decided he was fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. It would probably have to be pretty extreme for others to be able to judge people, and even then, not a great idea.

I'm glad you, at least, haven't bought into the false doctrine that a Christian does fulfill the lusts of the flesh, but "not inheriting the Kingdom of God" means, all they lose are rewards, but are still saved!

Well, to him that is weak, let him not eat meats. To him that thinks marrying is bad, let them not marry. To him that thinks any alcohol is bad, let him not drink at all. Etc etc etc. But what many of us do not like is people pointing the finger at others over some sin, or perceived excess. God is the judge. If people fall who are saved, well, they are not going to lose salvation, that would mean God goes back on His part. God will deal with them. The kingdom of God is not meat or drink.

Have you ever hear such nonsense! If you haven't, I'd be surprised, as you seem to have the rest of their teachings down pat.

Some sourpuss prudes looking down on others might do well to try and enjoy life and learn what it means..'I will have mercy, and not sacrifice'.

 

[dad]

The person in this lifetime that has the seed of the Father and does not willfully sin, and who loves their neighbor, is perfect.

We try to lovey dovey love our neighbors, but there are times when we might feel like mopping up the floor with them. Perhaps we all are not perfect yet.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Remember we are not the judge. If we had seen Noah corked that one day we might have decided he was fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. It would probably have to be pretty extreme for others to be able to judge people, and even then, not a great idea.
Well, to him that is weak, let him not eat meats. To him that thinks marrying is bad, let them not marry. To him that thinks any alcohol is bad, let him not drink at all. Etc etc etc. But what many of us do not like is people pointing the finger at others over some sin, or perceived excess. God is the judge. If people fall who are saved, well, they are not going to lose salvation, that would mean God goes back on His part. God will deal with them. The kingdom of God is not meat or drink.


Some sourpuss prudes looking down on others might do well to try and enjoy life and learn what it means..'I will have mercy, and not sacrifice'.

Don't forget, Old Testament believers in God had their sins overlooked. Hardly any had the Spirit except the prophets.

 

[1stcenturylady]

We try to lovey dovey love our neighbors, but there are times when we might feel like mopping up the floor with them. Perhaps we all are not perfect yet.

But we are given the strength of God not to indulge. This is exactly what Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was. It wasn't an illness he was referring to, but false teachers undermining his ministry. That is what he wanted God to remove. 'Thorn in the flesh' is a Jewish idiom that is referring to people. Like some guys mother-in-law is a "pain in the neck."

 

[1stcenturylady]

Perhaps we all are not perfect yet.

You might just need a little pruning here and there.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Gods not made. Grace and grace alone

What does this have to do with John 15:1-10?

 

[Gods not mad]

What does this have to do with John 15:1-10?

Gods not made. Grace and grace alone
hey bro click the above words Gods not mad grace and grace alone