Do you have a relationship with Jesus?

[DM25]

First, I note that you did not answer my question. Second, I can supply you with lots of evidence that speaks against works righteousness.

I very well did answer your question but of course you didn't listen or understand... No one said works save you. But how you get to know the gospel? That can be through a work... Whether by someone else, by an event, by an experience, or by prayer, the sinner's prayer included. God can use many WORKS to get you to the gospel message, but it is your faith and acceptance of his grace and the gospel that saves you, not the work that got you saved, not how you got saved, and not your works in general. Everyone's testimonies are different.

You do not NEED to recite the sinner's prayer to get saved, I apologize if you think that's what I meant. Everyone's testimonies are different. But the sinner's prayer CAN be used as something can get you saved, if that's in God's will for the individual. Who are you to say it isn't?

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I very well did answer your question but of course you didn't listen or understand... No one said works save you. But how you get to know the gospel? That can be through a work... Whether by someone else, by an event, by an experience, or by prayer, the sinner's prayer included. God can use many WORKS to get you to the gospel message, but it is your faith and acceptance of his grace and the gospel that saves you, not the work that got you saved, not how you got saved, and not your works in general. Everyone's testimonies are different.

You do not NEED to recite the sinner's prayer to get saved, I apologize if you think that's what I meant. Everyone's testimonies are different. But the sinner's prayer CAN be used as something can get you saved, if that's in God's will for the individual. Who are you to say it isn't?

I asked for biblical evidence - you provided none, rather just glimpses into your own theology. I disagree with the notion that someone saying words to God will get said person saved. As I have already indicated, that would be works righteousness. I do agree that God can use a variety of ways to transmit the gospel message to people.

 

[DM25]

I asked for biblical evidence - you provided none, rather just glimpses into your own theology. I disagree with the notion that someone saying words to God will get said person saved. As I have already indicated, that would be works righteousness. I do agree that God can use a variety of ways to transmit the gospel message to people.

I explained to you. The sinner's prayer didn't get made until the 1990s someone said... So why would there be biblical evidence for something not made until recently? Just as radio didn't exist in biblical times, but someone may have heard a motivational sermon on the radio that brought them to Christ. So the methods vary on how to get to salvation. I'm not trying to do anything to defend my theology or anything like that.

 

[Swan7]

When I was 6 years old, my mother got me to recite the Sinner's Prayer. I had no idea what that was about and why I was a sinner. I had no idea who Jesus Christ was and throughout my childhood was only shown glimpses of Him. I thought He was just a man, a very great man at that. I had no idea who God was, but He sure knew me and pursued me until I completely broke. In my heart I always knew there was God, but didn't know who He was until I asked Him myself.

Is that useless because I used words? I'm genuinely confused on that comment.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I explained to you. The sinner's prayer didn't get made until the 1990s someone said... So why would there be biblical evidence for something not made until recently? Just as radio didn't exist in biblical times, but someone may have heard a motivational sermon on the radio that brought them to Christ. So the methods vary on how to get to salvation. I'm not trying to do anything to defend my theology or anything like that.

"The methods vary?" Salvation is only through God's grace alone in Christ Jesus, and God has selected God's means of grace.

 

[DM25]

"The methods vary?" Salvation is only through God's grace alone in Christ Jesus, and God has selected God's means of grace.

The methods on how to get to that point, to hear the gospel and take the leap of faith, vary. And this includes the sinner's prayer. Please explain how they don't?

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

The methods on how to get to that point, to hear the gospel and take the leap of faith, vary. And this includes the sinner's prayer. Please explain how they don't?

To get to the point - okay, and this could include the sinner's prayer - so long as God is working through his word contained in said prayer.

To actually save, though, works righteousness remains a no go.

 

[PJ76]

Hi Swan,

There are different versions of the sinners prayer, and although all the versions are man-made words, the prayer itself is not useless words. We are all human. Some of us mean what we say, and some of us do not. If you need guidance to becoming a Christian, then use the prayer to lead you to Christ, but remember, you are not saved because you recited those words, however sincere you maybe, rather your saved because you decided to act upon those words.

 

[DM25]

Hi Swan,
however sincere you maybe, rather your saved because you decided to act upon those words.

We are not saved by our actions... This statement goes against the gospel. We are saved by HIS actions and HIS finished work, not ours. It's a free gift. We are saved by his grace, not our works. This is the core fundamental message of the entire Christian faith. Please don't teach people things that lead to destruction. Works based salvation is a destructive lie from hell and goes against the gospel message of Jesus Christ and the grace of God... Our ACTIONS don't save us, his GRACE saves us the scripture says. Don't you know scriputee says it is by grace we are saved, through faith, not of our works so no man may boast? Salvation is a free gift from God, not something we can do or not something we earned...

If someone believes the sinner's prayer's message that Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour over their sins, they have received salvation. Simple as that.

 

[DM25]

To actually save, though, works righteousness remains a no go.

Of course. Salvation is by everything he did. How we get there or what he does to get us to that point is another story.

 

[PJ76]

We are not saved by our actions...This statement goes against the gospel. We are saved by HIS actions and HIS finished work, not ours. Its a free gift.

Matthew 4:17 and Matthew 7:24 and Revelation 3:20 all contradict what you said. We are not robots. We have to respond to grace with not only our lips, but also in obedience.

 

[DM25]

**DM25 wrote: We are not saved by our actions. This statement goes against the gospel.

The words of Jesus in Matthew 7:24-27 contradicts what you just said. We are not robots.

No it doesn't. The verse you posted doesn't even pertain to salvation. Salvation is nothing we can earn. None of us deserve it and we would all be going to hell if it was on something we can earn... Please get that through your mind. None of us deserve salvation and there is NOTHING we can do or anyone in history could have done to earn salvation or do an action to get salvation. Salvation is a FREE GIFT by God. We are chosen by God once we believe in Jesus Christ, and nothing can separate us from the Father, no sin or anything else we do can separate us from the Father's love for us and God himself says this.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

No it doesn't. The verse you posted doesn't even pertain to salvation. Salvation is nothing we can earn. None of us deserve it and we would all be going to hell if it was on something we can earn... Please get that through your mind. None of us deserve salvation and there is NOTHING we can do or anyone in history could have done to earn salvation or do an action to get salvation.

Except, according to you, recite the sinner's prayer.

 

[PJ76]

Except, according to you, recite the sinner's prayer.

This is the reason we need to put our trust in the bible, not on the doctrines of men.

 

[PJ76]

If someone believes the sinner's prayer's message that Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour over their sins, they have received salvation. Simple as that.

This was never a biblical church doctrine. Simply reciting the sinners prayer or just merely believing cannot save a person. You need to repent.

 

[PJ76]

We are not saved by our actions. This statement goes against the gospel.

This is another contradiction. Jesus said, "Repent" in Matthew 3:2. The word repent in Greek is metanoeo which is an action verb and it means a change of mind. In context, repent means a change of mind from unbelief to belief as well as a change of mind from living in sin. So yes, action is required on our part.

 

[Rubiks]

"Jesus is my boyfriend" theology is unbiblical.

 

[PJ76]

Hi Rubiks.

 

[PJ76]

Hi

 

[Unnamed Guy]

The bible is clear and simple. Why do people make up baloney instead of quoting the bible?

Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.