The circumcision of Christ is water baptism: by his Spirit and in his name

[psalm911]

Colossians 2:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 In CHRIST also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the MAN OF SIN by the BAPTISM of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through BELIEVING IN THE WORK of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

AS IT IS WRITTEN:

As many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of GOD that created him:
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is ALL THE SONS OF GOD, and in all THE SONS OF GOD.

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 

[Dave-W]

AS IT IS WRITTEN:

As many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of GOD that created him:
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is ALL THE SONS OF GOD, and in all THE SONS OF GOD.

Can you give me chapter and verse for this?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Can you give me chapter and verse for this?

Galatians 3:27

 

[1watchman]

"Baptism unto Christ" is spiritual ---no water (Gal. 3:27); and it means being overwhelmed unto.

 

[The Righterzpen]

"Baptism unto Christ" is spiritual ---no water (Gal. 3:27); and it means being overwhelmed unto.

Yes, the shedding of His blood is what washes away a believer's sin. This is why the "symbols" changed from Old to New Testaments. Circumcision was pointing to the seed that would come; (which was Christ). (Galatians 3:16)

 

[Dave-W]

Galatians 3:27

Yes I know that.

I was trying to get the OP to label his scriptures.

 

[psalm911]

Yes, the shedding of His blood is what washes away a believer's sin. This is why the "symbols" changed from Old to New Testaments. Circumcision was pointing to the seed that would come; (which was Christ). (Galatians 3:16)

The water in baptism represents the word of God, the gospel: being raised with Christ through baptism is to be born from the dead: born by the word of God: this is what it means to be born again.

 

[The Righterzpen]

The water in baptism represents the word of God, the gospel: being raised with Christ through baptism is to be born from the dead: born by the word of God: this is what it means to be born again.

I agree with you, so long as your implication is not that it is the water baptism that saves us. It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit - which means to be regenerated.

 

[psalm911]

I agree with you, so long as your implication is not that it is the water baptism that saves us. It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit - which means to be regenerated.

The Spirit(eternal life) is in the Son of God, and to be water baptized is to be baptized into the resurrected Son of God. Further more, you must be baptized by one with the Spirit of God in the name of Jesus.

 

[The Righterzpen]

The Spirit(eternal life) is in the Son of God, and to be water baptized is to be baptized into the resurrected Son of God. Further more, you must be baptized by one with the Spirit of God in the name of Jesus.

So are you saying water baptism saves you?

 

[psalm911]

So are you saying water baptism saves you?

If you are willing, I will teach you by the Spirit of God about the doctrine of baptism.

 

[The Righterzpen]

If you are willing, I will teach you by the Spirit of God about the doctrine of baptism.

You're not directly answering my question. I will assume than that you believe one must be baptized in water to be regenerated; and unless you are not baptized in water, you can not be regenerated.

 

[psalm911]

You're not directly answering my question. I will assume than that you believe one must be baptized in water to be regenerated; and unless you are not baptized in water, you can not be regenerated.

Are you willing to learn what I have to teach or do you assume the doctrine I teach is incorrect?

 

[The Righterzpen]

Are you willing to learn what I have to teach or do you assume the doctrine I teach is incorrect?

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no." - Jesus Christ.

Answer the question. Do you believe you need to be water baptized to be saved?

 

[psalm911]

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no." - Jesus Christ.

Answer the question. Do you believe you need to be water baptized to be saved?

To be born of God is to be born from the dead through water baptism: but if this is not done in the name of Jesus and by his Spirit then the baptism is void seeing it's not done by God but by the spirit of man: but if this is done properly and one is baptized into the resurrection of Christ he then being in the body that has rose from the dead is given eternal life which is the Spirit of God: and so he that died died to sin once but he that lives lives to do the commandments of Christ in heaven. Can you understand these things?

 

[psalm911]

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no." - Jesus Christ.

Answer the question. Do you believe you need to be water baptized to be saved?

Further more, do the things I have written offend you?

 

[The Righterzpen]

To be born of God is to be born from the dead through water baptism: but if this is not done in the name of Jesus and by his Spirit then the baptism is void seeing it's not done by God but by the spirit of man: but if this is done properly and one is baptized into the resurrection of Christ he then being in the body that has rose from the dead is given eternal life which is the Spirit of God: and so he that died died to sin once but he that lives lives to do the commandments of Christ in heaven. Can you understand these things?

I understand the symbolism, yet there is recorded in Acts people who had received the Holy Spirit but were not water baptized until after the fact. So thus if you believe water baptism is required for salvation; how'd that happen?

 

[psalm911]

I understand the symbolism, yet there is recorded in Acts people who had received the Holy Spirit but were not water baptized until after the fact. So thus if you believe water baptism is required for salvation; how'd that happen?

Acts 10:47-48 King James Version (KJV)
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

Peter had no choice but to baptize a gentile into the body of Christ because they had the Spirit of God, not doing so would be to reject God from his temple: his Son.

As it is written:

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted TURNING unto JESUS CHRIST.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Acts 10:47-48 King James Version (KJV)
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

Peter had no choice but to baptize a gentile into the body of Christ because they had the Spirit of God, doing so would be to reject God from his temple: his Son.

As it is written:

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted TURNING unto JESUS CHRIST.

Yet that doesn't negate the fact that they still had been born of the Spirit prior to being water baptized. So, sorry, but that blows your "water baptismal regeneration" out of..... the water.

 

[psalm911]

I understand the symbolism, yet there is recorded in Acts people who had received the Holy Spirit but were not water baptized until after the fact. So thus if you believe water baptism is required for salvation; how'd that happen?

And so, Peter learned that God has destined these Gentiles to be washed and he gave his Spirit to show his word would be fulfilled.

As it is written:


What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.