The word "TRIBULATION" does not occur in Luke's Gospel.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Has anyone noticed that?

Daniel 12:1
"In that time Michael shall stand-up, the chief/prince, the great, the one, standing over sons of thy people.
And time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation, until the time, that.
And in that time, thy people shall escape<4422>, Every of the one being found being written in scroll. Luke 21:23-36

Matthew 24:
9 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
21 for then shall be great Tribulation<2347>, such as was not from the beginning of world till now, no, nor may be becoming

Mark 13:19
For in those days shall be tribulation<2347> such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Luke rather uses great distress and wrath upon the Jews [which I and many others view happened in 70ad]

Luke 21:
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching<69>, in every season<2540> beseeching<1189> that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about to be becoming
and to stand before the Son of the Man.[Daniel 12:1]

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What's Daniel say when translated from the Septuagint?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What's Daniel say when translated from the Septuagint?

I hadn't thought to look that up.
Here is both the greek and hebrew. The LXX uses G2347

The Hebrew word can be either distress/anquish or tribulation

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

6869 tsarah feminine of 6862;
tightness (i.e. figuratively, trouble); transitively, a female rival:--adversary, adversity, affliction, anguish, distress, tribulation, trouble.
H6869 צָרָה (tsarah), which occurs 73 times in 72 verses

2347. thlipsis from 2346;
pressure (literally or figuratively):--afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
G2347 θλῖψις (thlipsis), occurs 45 times in 43 verses

Study Bible > Bible Versions > LXX_WH > Daniel
Daniel 12:1

Daniel 12:1
12:1 2532 και And 1722 εν in 3588 τω 2540-1565 καιρώ εκείνω that time 450 αναστήσεται shall rise up * Μιχαήλ Michael 3588 ο the 758 άρχων [2ruler 3588 ο 3173 μέγας 1great], 3588 ο the one 2476 εστηκώς standing 1909 επί for 3588 τους the 5207 υιούς sons 3588 του 2992-1473 λαού σου of your people. 2532 και And 1510.8.3 έσται it will be 2540 καιρός a time 2347 θλίψεως of affliction 3634 οία such as 3756 ου has not 1096 γέγονεν taken place 575 αφ΄ from 3739 ου of which time 1096 γεγένηται there became 1484 έθνος a nation 1909 επί on 3588 της the 1093 γης earth, 2193 έως until 3588 του 2540-1565 καιρού εκείνου that time. 2532 και And 1722 εν in 3588 τω 2540-1565 καιρώ εκείνω that time 4982 σωθήσεται [2shall be delivered 3588 ο 2992-1473 λαός σου 1your people], 3956 πας every one 3588 ο 2147 ευρεθείς found 1125 γεγραμμένος being written 1722 εν in 3588 τη the 976 βίβλω book.

Brenton(i)LXX_WH(i)
1 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
Compare Daniel 12:1 in other Bible versions

318. anagke from 303 and the base of 43;
constraint (literally or figuratively); by implication, distress:--distress, must needs, (of) necessity(-sary), needeth, needful.

Luke 21:
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There's not much difference between the two according to Strongs. The quote from Mark actually uses the would anguish not tribulation and the word translated in Matthew as tribulation is the same word used in Mark. It can mean anguish, pressure etc.
Can I ask what your point is in pointing this out?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Maybe that's why the NT writers use tribulation then.

 

[ewq1938]

There's not much difference between the two according to Strongs.

Correct. There is no significance here. Languages commonly have different words that have the same meaning.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe that's why the NT writers use tribulation then.

I and a lot of others view most of Luke 21 occurring in70ad, which would also mean part of Daniel 12 is fulfilled. I believe this gives more credence to the preterist/amill view.

4422 malat maw-lat' a primitive root;
properly, to be smooth, i.e. (by implication)
to escape (as if by slipperiness); causatively, to release or rescue; specifically, to bring forth young, emit sparks:--deliver (self), escape, lay, leap out, let alone, let go, preserve, save, X speedily, X surely.

Daniel 12:1
"In that time Michael shall stand-up, the chief/prince, the great, the one, standing over sons of thy people.
And time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation, until the time, that.
And in that time, thy people shall escape<4422>, Every of the one being found written in scroll. Luke 21:23-36

Luke also uses the same word "escape" and in fact, this is the only verse in the Gospels it occurs.

1628. ekpheugo from 1537 and 5343;
to flee out:--escape, flee.

Luke 21:
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching<69>, in every season<2540> beseeching<1189> that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about<3195> to be becoming
and to stand before the Son of the Man.[Daniel 12:1]

MELLO (#3195) - The Dangerous Greek Word That Has Been Removed From Most English Translations

.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I and a lot of others view at part of Luke 21 occurring in70ad, which would also mean part of Daniel 12 is fulfilled. I believe this gives more credence to the preterist/amill view.

4422 malat maw-lat' a primitive root;
properly, to be smooth, i.e. (by implication)
to escape (as if by slipperiness); causatively, to release or rescue; specifically, to bring forth young, emit sparks:--deliver (self), escape, lay, leap out, let alone, let go, preserve, save, X speedily, X surely.

Daniel 12:1
"In that time Michael shall stand-up, the chief/prince, the great, the one, standing over sons of thy people.
And time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation, until the time, that.
And in that time, thy people shall escape<4422>, Every of the one being found being written in scroll. Luke 21:23-36

Luke also uses the same word "escape" and in fact, this is the only verse in the Gospels it occurs.

1628. ekpheugo from 1537 and 5343;
to flee out:--escape, flee.

Luke 21:
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching<69>, in every season<2540> beseeching<1189> that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about to be becoming
and to stand before the Son of the Man.[Daniel 12:1]

I recall a previous version of myself obsessing over being prepared to escape, whatever that meant.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 24:
9 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
21 for then shall be great Tribulation<2347>, such as was not from the beginning of world till now, no, nor may be becoming

Mark 13:19
For in those days shall be tribulation<2347> such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Luke 21 and Daniel 12 are beginning to harmonize quite nicely.
And the fact that Michael is mentioned in Daniel and Revelation 12:7 also ties Luke 21 in with Revelation.

Dan 12:1
'And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, who is standing up for the sons of thy people
Rev 12:7
And there came war in the heaven; Michael and His messengers did war against the Dragon, and the dragon did war, and His messengers,
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6869 tsarah feminine of 6862;
tightness (i.e. figuratively, trouble); transitively, a female rival:--adversary, adversity, affliction, anguish, distress, tribulation, trouble.

4422 malat maw-lat' a primitive root;
properly, to be smooth, i.e. (by implication)
to escape (as if by slipperiness); causatively, to release or rescue; specifically, to bring forth young, emit sparks:--deliver (self), escape, lay, leap out, let alone, let go, preserve, save, X speedily, X surely.

No other Bible version I could find uses the word "tribulation" in Daniel 12:1 except for a few that use the LXX..

Luke 21:
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching<69>, in every season<2540> beseeching<1189> that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about<3195> to be becoming
and to stand before the Son of the Man.[Daniel 12:1]

Here are some Bible versions:

Christian Standard Bible
.There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred since nations came into being until that time. But at that time all your people who are found written in the book will escape.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
At that time Michael the great prince who stands watch over your people will rise up. There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred since nations came into being until that time. But at that time all your people who are found written in the book will escape.

NET Bible
"At that time Michael, the great prince who watches over your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress unlike any other from the nation's beginning up to that time. But at that time your own people, all those whose names are found written in the book, will escape.

Young's Literal Translation
'And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, who is standing up for the sons of thy people, and there hath been a time of distress, such as hath not been since there hath been a nation till that time, and at that time do thy people escape, every one who is found written in the book
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Jubilee Bible 2000
and it shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there were people until now, but in that time thy people shall escape, all those that are found written in the book.

Jubilee Bible 2000
and it shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there were people until now, but in that time thy people shall escape, all those that are found written in the book.

New International Version
There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.
New American Standard Bible
And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
New Heart English Bible
And there shall be a time of distress unparalleled since the beginning of the nation until that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who shall be found written in the book.
New American Standard 1977
And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
Darby Bible Translation
and there shall be a time of distress, such as never was since there was a nation until that time. And at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that is found written in the book.
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New Living Translation
Then there will be a time of anguish greater than any since nations first came into existence. But at that time every one of your people whose name is written in the book will be rescued.

Contemporary English Version
and he will come at a time of terrible suffering, the worst in all of history. And your people who have their names written in The Book will be protected.
English Standard Version
And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book

King James Bible
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Good News Translation
Then there will be a time of troubles, the worst since nations first came into existence. When that time comes, all the people of your nation whose names are written in God's book will be saved.

International Standard Version
and a time of trouble will come like there has never been since nations began until that time. Also at that time, your people will be delivered—everyone who will have been written in the book.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
It will be a time of trouble unlike any that has existed from the time there have been nations until that time. But at that time your people, everyone written in the book, will be rescued.

JPS Tanakh 1917
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

King James 2000 Bible
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

American King James Version
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

American Standard Version
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

English Revised Version
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Webster's Bible Translation
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

World English Bible
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who shall be found written in the book.


Douay-Rheims Bible
and a time shall come such as never was from the time that nations began even until that time. And at that time shall thy people be saved, every one that shall be found written in the book

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The prophesy has a two fold fulfillment as evidenced by Jesus answering two different events with the same prophesy... when would the temple be cast down and when the end of the world would be. 70AD prefigures the events of the last days.

 

[ewq1938]

The prophesy has a two fold fulfillment as evidenced by Jesus answering two different events with the same prophesy... when would the temple be cast down and when the end of the world would be. 70AD prefigures the events of the last days.

The destruction of the temple was spoke at the temple and was not party of the olivet discourse which was only the things he spoke when he was on the mount. Therefore, the temple destruction in Ad70 was not part of the end times events Jesus spoke of at the mount which are of the future great trib, which ends with his second coming.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


"all these things" includes verses 29-31 which shows the second coming and the rapture of the saints and other scriptures tell us this is also the time when the dead in Christ are resurrected.

None of those things happened in the lives of the disciples proving he was NOT talking about their generation not passing before "all these things" happened.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The destruction of the temple was spoke at the temple and was not party of the olivet discourse which was only the things he spoke when he was on the mount. Therefore, the temple destruction in Ad70 was not part of the end times events Jesus spoke of at the mount which are of the future great trib, which ends with his second coming.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


"all these things" includes verses 29-31 which shows the second coming and the rapture of the saints and other scriptures tell us this is also the time when the dead in Christ are resurrected.

None of those things happened in the lives of the disciples proving he was NOT talking about their generation not passing before "all these things" happened.

I know all about Matthew 24. I harmonized it.............

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

All 3 mention the 70ad Temple, stones, and stone upon stone thrown down.......

Only Matthew and Mark mention "buildings" #3619
[These 3 verses in Matt and Mark are the only places in the Gospels #3619 is used.]

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing all these?
Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>.”

Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
2 And Jesus answering said to him, “thou are beholding these, the great buildings.
Not no may be being left here stone upon stone which not no may be being thrown-down<2647>

Luke doesn't mention the buildings, but rather how the Temple was adorned with beautiful stones [as does Mark 13:1] and donations.

Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
6 “These which ye are beholding.
Shall be coming days in which not shall be being left stone upon stone here which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>

2647. kataluo from 2596 and 3089;
to loosen down (disintegrate), i.e. (by implication) to demolish (literally or figuratively); specially (compare 2646) to halt for the night:--destroy, dissolve, be guest, lodge, come to nought, overthrow, throw down.
2596. kata a primary particle;
(prepositionally) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case (genitive, dative or accusative) with which it is joined)
3089. luo a primary verb;
to "loosen" (literally or figuratively):--break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-)loose, melt, put off. Compare 4486.
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All 3 passages ask the same questions:

when? shall these be,
and what? the sign

Matt 24 adds "sign of Thy parousia<2952>
and full consummation of the age.

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when? shall these be being,
and what? the sign of Thy parousia<3952>,
and full-consummation<4931-5055> of the age.

3952. parousia from the present participle of 3918;
a being near, i.e. advent (often, return; specially, of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by implication) physically, aspect:--coming, presence.
4931. sunteleo from 4862 and 5055;
to complete entirely; end, finish.....
5055. teleo from 5056;
to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform

Mark 13
3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives over against the Temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked Him privately,
4 Tell to us!
when? these shall be being
and what? the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these.

Luke 21
7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when? then shall these be being
And what? the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming?

3195. mello a strengthened form of 3199 (through the idea of expectation);
to intend, i.e. be about to be, do, or suffer something (of persons or things, especially events; in the sense of purpose, duty, necessity, probability, possibility, or hesitation):--about, after that, be (almost), (that which is, things, + which was for) to come, intend, was to (be), mean, mind, be at the point, (be) ready, + return, shall (begin), (which, that) should (after, afterwards, hereafter) tarry, which was for, will, would, be yet.

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

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[Douggg]

I and a lot of others view most of Luke 21 occurring in70ad, which would also mean part of Daniel 12 is fulfilled. I believe this gives more credence to the preterist/amill view.

Hi LittleLambofJesus, if you are going to go by that translation to mean "escape" in Daniel 12:1, instead of the KJV which reads "delivered". And match it up with the time when Michael stands up.

Then, I would say and my interpretation of events, it would not refer to Luke 21:34-36 - that escape. But the fleeing into the wilderness, when the Jews in Judea see the abomination of desolation setup.

In Daniel 11, the two witnesses are are killed by the beast, as he makes war on them. Overcoming them, at the end of the 1260 days.

In Revelation 12:6, in that same 1260 days, the woman will be in the wilderness. So she will have fled as the two witnesses battle the beast near the end of their testimony, as the AoD has been setup on day 1185. (2520-1335). The two witnesses killed on day 1260, as the Jews "escape" to the wilderness.

And then Michael (of Daniel 12:1) standing up for them is in Revelation 12:7-9, as Satan who had been accusing them for 2000 years for their rejection of Jesus is cast down to earth. In Revelation 12:10 is the Jews, Israel, embracing Jesus as the realization of their thought to be messiah turns out be an agent of Satan, beginning when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

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What it all boils down to is this. The Jews, Israel, with think that right after Gog/Magog, the Jews will think the prince who shall come is their messiah. And he is anointed the King of Israel, and he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant which the Jews hold to.

The two witnesses warning them he is not the right guy. And it goes on for around three years, until the person shows his true colors, and all hell breaks loose on earth.

There were some parts of Luke 21 that were 70 ad, but none of Daniel 12.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The destruction of the temple was spoke at the temple and was not party of the olivet discourse which was only the things he spoke when he was on the mount. Therefore, the temple destruction in Ad70 was not part of the end times events Jesus spoke of at the mount which are of the future great trib, which ends with his second coming.

I was referring to the passage in Mark 13 where Jesus talks about both the destruction of the temple and His second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

I was referring to the passage in Mark 13 where Jesus talks about both the destruction of the temple and His second coming.

Yes and that's why I addressed it in my post.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here again, another tie in with Luke 21, Revelation and 70ad........

Any doubts on this being fulfilled in 70ad?

Matthew 3:7
Yet seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism, he said to them,
“Brood of vipers!
Who shows to ye to be fleeing from the being about/impending wrath?
Luke 3:7
Then he said to the outgoing throngs<3793> to be baptized by him,
“Brood of vipers!
Who shows to ye to be fleeing from the being-about/inpending wrath?

Luke not only uses the word Isaiah 61:2

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

Matthew 24:16 then those in Judea let them be fleeing! into the mountains;
Mark 13:14 Then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains

But the same exact wording wording as in Matt 24 Mark and Daniel 12:1

Luke 21:
21 “Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,
22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching<69>, in every season<2540> beseeching<1189> that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about<3195> to be becoming
and to stand before the Son of the Man.[Daniel 12:1]

And this verse in Reve 9:6

Revelation 9:6
And in those days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and they shall be desiring to be dying, and the death is fleeing<5343> from them.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover....
Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen................
p......oured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 6. -
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them; shall in no wise find it... and death fleeth from them (Revised Version); οἱ ἄνθρωποι, "the men;" that is, the unsealed, who suffer this judgment.

This is a characteristic biblical method of expressing great anguish. Thus Job 3:20, 21, "The bitter in soul; which long for death, but it cometh not" (cf. also Jeremiah 8:3; Job 7:15; Luke 23:30; and Revelation 6:16). The description portrays great anguish of mind, and should not be pressed to a literal interpretation, though many have illustrated the passage by pointing to actual occurrences of the kind

 

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[david shelby]

Has anyone noticed that?

Daniel 12:1
"In that time Michael shall stand-up, the chief/prince, the great, the one, standing over sons of thy people.
And time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation, until the time, that.
And in that time, thy people shall escape<4422>, Every of the one being found being written in scroll. Luke 21:23-36

Matthew 24:
9 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
21 for then shall be great Tribulation<2347>, such as was not from the beginning of world till now, no, nor may be becoming

Mark 13:19
For in those days shall be tribulation<2347> such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Luke rather uses great distress and wrath upon the Jews [which I and many others view happened in 70ad]

Luke 21:
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress<318> in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching<69>, in every season<2540> beseeching<1189> that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about to be becoming
and to stand before the Son of the Man.[Daniel 12:1]

I think connecting Daniel 12 and Matthew 24 like you are doing is a mistake.

Daniel 12:9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end."

As to Daniel 12, I think its talking about the end of Babylon. Now hear me out! I don't think its talking about the end of Jerusalem as in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, nor the end of the world as in an actual end of the actual world. I think its about the end of Babylon. WHY? It instructs Daniel to lock up the book and hide it until "the end" has happened! Yet, we have the book! So "the end," whatever it was, must have happened, and then Daniel busted out the book and made copies and published it! Right? If "the end" is the end of the world, the book should still be hidden. If "the end" was the destruction of Jersualem in 70 AD, then nobody should have known of the book until AFTER 70 AD. So "the end" spoken of in Daniel 12 is an end that took place in Daniel's lifetime! What was that then? The end of the Babylonian Captivity, obviously. (It only lasted 70 years, so Daniel could have, and I think did, outlive it.)

Therefore, to connect Daniel 12 with Matthew 24 is either to accuse Jesus or Matthew of misinterpreting Daniel 12. And while its remotely possible that one or both of them did, or especially that Matthew or someone in the line of oral transmission between Jesus and Matthew did, I don't want to accuse them of that...do you?

As to Matthew and Luke, clearly they received slightly different traditions as to what Jesus had said on this subject from their forebears, and as a result, they honestly are saying slighty different things, so its no surprise that Luke doesn't use the word "tribulation." After all, Luke is attempting to separate two concepts which are not clearly separated in Matthew 24, namely the end of the world and the destruction of Jerusalem. In Matthew 24, its unclear exactly where one is intended versus the other. Luke is making some attempt to fix that and make a clear distinction between the two events. I don't care how inerrantist a person may be or how fundamentalists or whatever, they have to acknowledge this point on some level.