The Seven Hills the harlot Sits on

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Well not if you add a few words it not. It does not say righteous dead it says all who have been slain. Now I can see how you would take that to mean righteous dead. However Jerusalem is not responsible for killing the Martyrs of Jesus. While yes it is true a few Christians did die in Jerusalem at the hands of the Jews 99.9 % did not.

My Personal though on this is that the Woman Represents False religion period from the fall in the Garden through to false Religion Today. The City needs to be a City that has ruled over Seven Kingdoms.

[2] for his judgments are true and just;he has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged on her the blood of his servants."

That is not Jerusalem Jerusalem was corrupted by False Worship of Baal. Over and over again when you study you keep returning to Baal. The Worship of the Triune god of Baal is what scripture clearly tells us corrupts the whole world.

[16] "Take a harp, go about the city, O forgotten harlot! Make sweet melody, sing many songs, that you may be remembered." [17] At the end of seventy years, the LORD will visit Tyre, and she will return to her hire, and will play the harlot with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

More over we need to look at the Claim of this woman. Because she clearly claims to be the Kingdom of God on Earth. She says she is the Wife of Jesus

7] As she glorified herself and played the wanton, so give her a like measure of torment and mourning. Since in her heart she says, `A queen I sit, I am no widow, mourning I shall never see,'

She says she is Queen IE wife to The King of Kings .....That she is not a widow IE Jesus is not Dead he Lives.......She Says she will never see sorrow. As Many say they will never see the great tribulation or that it passed in 70 AD.

Lets not forget the most important point here this is written and stated as future after Jerusalem had fallen decades after Jerusalem had fallen
 
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Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


She does a lot of sitting on things. She sits on waters, a scarlet beast, and on seven mountains.
 
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Just The Facts said:
Hello Little Lamb

You are right in 18 it does say Prophets unlike in 17 Where it says Martyrs of Jesus. But it also says ALL THAT HAVE BEEN SLAIN ON EARTH. Pretty tall order for Jerusalem to fit.
Yeah.
Another example.
The phrase "Daughters of Jerusalem" is used in only 1 verse of the entire NT, and this was said by Jesus after His trial and on the way to Cross 40 yrs before 70ad:

Luke 23:30 "..Mountains fall on us, hills cover us.."

3735. oros or'-os probably from an obsolete oro
(to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to 142; compare 3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).
1015. bounos boo-nos' probably of foreign origin;
a hillock:--hill.

Luke 23:

27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were.
And grieved<2875> and wailed<2354> over Him.
28 Being turned yet toward them, Jesus said "Daughters of Jerusalem!no be lamenting/klaiete <2799> over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting/<2799>, and upon the children of ye.
30"Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the mountains<3735> 'be falling upon us!'
and to the hills<1015> 'cover us!'".
[Hosea 10:8 Reve 18:9]

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized


Matthew 24:19
But woe to those that are with child, and those that give suck in those days.
Mark 13:17
But woe to those that are with child and to those that give suck in those days!
Luke 21:23
But woe to them that are with child and to them who give suck in those days,
for there shall be great distress upon the land and wrath upon this people.

Matthew 24:16
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains<ὄρη<3735>;.
Mark 13:14
“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'[fn] spoken of by Daniel the prophet,[fn] standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand),
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains<ὄρη<3735>
Luke 21:21
“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains<ὄρη<3735> let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

Revelation 6:16
They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Revelation 18:9
and lamenting/klausontai <2799>over Her, and smite/koyontai <2875> (5695) themselves for Her, shall the kings of the earth, who with Her did commit whoredom and did revel, when they may see the smoke of her burning,
 
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Hello little lamb

But you just ignored every point I made.

Who does Scripture say is the False Religion that fornicates with all the Kingdoms. It is not Jerusalem it is the false Religion of Tyre which the Jews themselves feel victim to.

And of course the one you always ignore Revelation is about Future events.

[1] The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

That is in 95 AD and please do not try and say RV was written in the 60's AD I get tired of that kind of misrepresentation of the facts.

So the harlot that will be punished is not Jerusalem because Jerusalem is a pile of ruble at this point.
 
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The seven hills represent Rome, which is the beast that the harlot is riding. The harlot is apostate Israel.


So apostate Israel are Romans, or Catholics?
 
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So what is this city that sits on Seven Hills. That by Default must also be a religious system that has the Blood of Saints on its hands.

Or maybe it's a city built on seven hills.

To the writer at the time it could have been Rome, which was built on seven hills and was the place of execution of Christians including Peter and Paul. Or it could have been Jerusalem, a city also built on seven hills and also infamous for the killing of the saints including the old testament prophets and the earliest Christian martyrs.

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Mat 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee...

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Luk 13:33 - ...for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
 
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To the writer at the time it could have been Rome, which was built on seven hills and was the place of execution of Christians including Peter and Paul.

It can't be an existing kingdom because he was told there were successive kingdoms, 5 had already fallen, was was falling which was his current time and that was Rome, and the last one was yet to come and it would only exist a short time. It's that last one the harlot works with so that was still future for John and we are still waiting for it.
 
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So apostate Israel are Romans, or Catholics?
No. Apostate Israel, denied their messiah, crucified Him and persecuted the church. That's how they became apostate. They did so under the authority of the Roman Empire...who later destroyed the temple and disperse the Jews from the land.
 
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The seven hills represent Rome, which is the beast that the harlot is riding. The harlot is apostate Israel.
Yes, that is something I can agree with, along with the corrupt murderous Judean rulers/Priests..in Jerusalem [which I view in Revelation]

Look at how the harlot is clothed.

The words "purple and fine linen" are use together in only 3 verses of the entire NT

Revelation 18:
10 From afar<3113> having stood because of the fear of the tormenting<929> of Her saying
"Woe! woe! the great City Babylon! the strong City!
That to one hour came the judging<2920> of Thee.

11 And the Merchants<1713> of the earth are lamenting<2799> and mourning<3996> over Her,
that their cargo<1117> no one is buying anymore.
12 Cargo of gold and silver,
and precious stone and pearl
and fine linen and purple, [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:16]
and silk, and scarlet,

16 and saying, Woe, woe, the great City, that was arrayed with fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and gilded in gold, and precious stone, and pearls --
because in one hour so much riches were made waste!

And this Covenantle parable in Luke 16:

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:

14 And also the Pharisees, being lovers of money, were hearing all these things, and were deriding Him,

19 'And -- a certain man was rich,
and was clothed in purple and fine linen, making merry sumptuously every day,


We begin by scrutinizing the description Yeshua gives us of the rich man. First, he tells us that this man was clothed in purple and fine linen. This type of clothing would not have been out of the ordinary for one of considerable wealth during this time period.
However, this attire also has symbolic meaning. The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple").
In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us: "The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Ex. 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen").

The clothing of the rich man identifies him symbolically with the people of Israel, chosen by God to be His special people. They were called to be a witness to the nations surrounding them, confirming the blessings available to those who would obey God and keep His laws.................

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking.
They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
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Hello Little lamb

When was Revelation written?
That is off topic.
The Seven Hills the harlot Sits on

I don't dwell on when it was written/visioned, but what it is symbolizing.

Try this site....it is not just a preterist site.......

https://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/ApocalypseCommentaries/Dating/Early/index.html
 
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It can't be an existing kingdom because he was told there were successive kingdoms, 5 had already fallen, was was falling which was his current time and that was Rome, and the last one was yet to come and it would only exist a short time. It's that last one the harlot works with so that was still future for John and we are still waiting for it.

The writer did not say five kingdoms, he said five kings. Those five kings being the first five men to claim the title of Caesar. Since they had fallen, it gives the timeframe the writer was speaking about.
 
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The writer did not say five kingdoms, he said five kings.

Same thing. Kings represent their kingdoms.

Those five kings being the first five men to claim the title of Caesar. Since they had fallen, it gives the timeframe the writer was speaking about.

Again the point is the 7th hasn't shown up yet and when he does, it lasts a short while because Christ will return to end the reign.

So, everything about this final kingdom which the AC will be leader of is something we are still waiting for.
 
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To say the harlot represents apostate Israel doesn't make much sense. The letter is written in the Christian age to Christians. Christians are the "spiritual" Isreal, the harlot representing the apostate church makes much more sense. Especially, in light of the fact, that Paul foretold of the falling away in 2nd Thessalonians.
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Since all the inhabitants of the earth will set themselves against the camp of the saints and our Lord Jesus, in the end the whole world is Babylon. The Woman who sits on the Beast originates in the mother of all flesh. From the dawn to the end of history, rebellion in man is universal. The front line of the struggle originates in the Garden continued in the Patriarchs and the Chosen people. Then the ancient matriarch was Jerusalem, who Jesus said had all the blood of the Saints on her hands. She rode the beast of Rome to wage war against our Lord. That was the front line, but the field of battle is the world. The Bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem and her enemy is Babylon that sits on the seven hills of the earth.

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Who broadsided Jesus and His Kingdom and rather than staying on the side of God and His Kingdom, rejoined the world of man by aligning itself with State. Two opposing systems becoming one. Which one gave up the Kingdom in order to become a world power? Which one whored itself to Babylon? (which Peter called Rome) Who's offspring formed future churches where these blind carried on to the blind the worldly traditions of church whoring itself to state rather than teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom as an opposing life and world?
 
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