WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[ace of hearts]

Not at all brother Luke 24:44 disagrees with your interpretation of it. It is not saying God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) are abolished brother. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. It is saying that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

First that's not what I said. Read my post. Since you require specific wording -

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The Book of the law of MOSES *EXODUS 24:7 is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *EXODUS 20:1-17 that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

The Book of the Law is about externals carnal things as Paul indicates. The law was and still is ineffective because it's from the outside in. Salvation (and it's many other ways of expression - born again, redemption, eternal life, etc) is a manifestation of what's inside as Jesus indicates. Jesus says what is in the heart and comes out of the mouth is what defiles a person.

Here let's look at some examples through the scriptures showing the meaning of

LUKE 24:44. [44], And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Why do you think I always say to you if you do not understand what the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD pointed to?

From my reading of the NT understanding the Old Covenant isn't required for faith to accept God's free gift through Jesus. Bottom line is accepting Jesus for deliverance from sin. Sin is described in the NT and not referencing the law.

What do you think the animal sacrifices pointed to and the earlthy Sanctuary and levitical priesthood pointed to? In regards to LUKE 24:44 you do know the Mosaic shadow laws, the prophets and Psalms all pointed to JESUS right as the coming Messiah e.g. *DANIEL 9:24-27; PSALMS 40; HEBREWS 10; PSALMS 22 etc etc...

Jesus met (fulfilled) these requirements validating LK 24:44.

 

[ace of hearts]

Yep, not now and it never effects the days of the week or the weekly cycle.

Yes it does - Gen 1.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all. The NEW COVENANT replaces the OLD COVENANT. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Not a single one of these NT references require keeping the law.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

You have a problem.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that has no truth in it. Where have I ever posted that LEVITICUS 23:2-3 is not about the Sabbath? If I have never made these claims or posted such things why do you pretend that I have?

You don't. You just ignore it.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that statement has no truth in it. I am using only God's WORD that states that our Sunday is the first day of the week and God's 4th Commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11.

Please provide scripture proof to your claim that the NEW MOON changes the names of the week. You have no scripture do you.

Nothing in my posts anywhere indicates I'm arguing about names of days.

 

[ace of hearts]

He says it because it is true..

Why did you think he said it?

What month do you know about that doesn't have 4 weeks?

 

[ace of hearts]

Nice defense to all the scriptures that disagree with you.

Scripture doesn't disagree with me. You do though.

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As posted earlier, According to the Hebrew calendars and traditional Christian calendars and the bible, Sunday has always been the first day of the week according to God's WORD and the SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of God's 4th commandment being Saturday (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset God's time -GENESIS 1) *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11.

When assigned to a grid of 7 on one row that is correct by our current calendar.

There is no Luna calander requirement for God's SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath as it is every seventh day of the week. The Luna calander was a requirement for the timing of the ANNUAL FEAST days of LEVITICUS 23. This has already been demonstrated through the scriptures in posts # 789 and post # 790 linked.

No need to say any more.

See Gen 1 about how time is reckoned.

 

[ace of hearts]

The weekly SABBATH is a requirement outside of the ANNUAL FEASTS as it is one of God's ETNERNAL LAWS (10 commandments)

And you call this list shadow laws. Col 2:17 says the weekly sabbaths are shadows.

God's 4th commandment.

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

The 7th day of the week followed 6 days of work. The day is marked by light and darkness. This is done on a regular basis by the rotation of the earth. So many of these days make what we call a year. So many of these days are required in a year to mark the annual holy days including the weekly sabbath. If you have no weekly sabbath you can't mark the holy days. Pentecost is 7 of those days plus 1 day after Passover. No sabbaths means no marking of time.

 

[Neogaia777]

No of course not.

I don't get it then...? They either are or are not the same... If weeks and days of the week are the same, (though maybe going by a different name) then why would they not be synchronous even up to now...

And why would not the Sabbaths or Saturdays be and have been the same (even up to now)...? And if your saying they are not, then what are you saying...?

God Bless!

 

[ace of hearts]

Try posting all the post and not part of it. The above is your defence to.....

Why? It makes no sense to with your first line of defense.

 

[ace of hearts]

"DITTO" sounds different when you add the rest of the post back in that you leave out.

No because you come back calling me a lair.

 

[ace of hearts]

As posted earlier, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Does this not worry you?

I've not ignored any of God's Word. I've even entertained LovesGodsWord.

 

[ace of hearts]

As posted earlier, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Does this not worry you?

Not in the slightest.

 

[klutedavid]

I'm still having some trouble...? Call me dense, but can you clarify or elaborate at all...?

God Bless!

I will stretch this out a bit for you N777.

How many days in a Gregorian year?

How many days in a lunar year?

 

[Neogaia777]

I will stretch this out a bit for you N777.

How many days in a Gregorian year?

How many days in a lunar year?

Yes I know they are different, but the seven day weeks, and the days themselves, no matter what they are called, do they change...?

I couldn't help but stare at my own calendar for a while and noticed the weeks and days of the week, were kind of, or could be the same regardless, if you counted or started them from the same point... But if you did, those weeks and days, regardless of what they are or were called, should be synchronous, and synonymous, but they are not, and I am also wondering why they are not...? If each one has the same seven days and seven day weeks in it that are continuous, and start at the same point, they should be the same, so are they? or more appropriately, why aren't they...?

God Bless!

 

[klutedavid]

Yes I know they are different, but the seven day weeks, and the days themselves, no matter what they are called, do they change...?

I couldn't help but stare at my own calendar for a while and noticed the weeks and days of the week, were kind of, or could be the same regardless, if you counted or started them from the same point... But if you did, those weeks and days, regardless of what they are or were called, should be synchronous, and synonymous, but they are not, and I am also wondering why they are not...? If each one has the same seven days and seven day weeks in it that are continuous, and start at the same point, they should be the same, so are they? or more appropriately, why aren't they...?

God Bless!

In the papal calendar of Gregory, a month can have 28, 30, or 31 days. So the number of weeks in any month will vary according to the month selected.

So in January say we have 31 days which is 4 weeks plus three days.

In a lunar calendar the month starts at the new moon but only comprises 30 days. Then in January again, the lunar calendar only has 30 days and not 31 days.

The Gregorian or pope Gregory's calendar gives you an extra day in January. This means that when February starts in 2019 your first day will be a Friday.

Whereas in the lunar calendar the start of February (new moon) is equivalent to our February the 4th. You may be thinking these are not aligned and you may well be right.

So what day is the first day of February under a lunar calendar? Well its always called the first day with the equivalent Roman name of Sunday.

This is what confuses everyone, the lunar month starts on exactly the same first day every month, i.e., Sunday. But in the Gregorian calendar the first day of the month can be anyone of the seven days.

By now your starting to seriously realize that someone is wrong, someone is using the wrong calendar.

Thus if you follow a lunar calendar the Sabbaths are on exactly the same dates every month. Because the first day of the month is always Sunday. As I said before the eighth day of every lunar month is a Sabbath.

If you follow the papal calendar the Sabbath wiggles from one date to the next. Every month starts on a different day, February started on a Friday. Which means the papal Sabbath is on the 2nd of February.

Saturday on a lunar calendar is always the eighth day every month.

Saturday on a Gregorian calendar can be any one of a number of days, because it depends on when the month started.

It is not easy to understand, lunar calendars have 30 days every month and the days are the same every month. The first day, the second day, and so on.

Now if we look at a prophecy and the years are 3.5 years, we can quickly calculate the lunar day equivalent.

42 months * 30 days = 1260 days

1260 days looks a bit like scripture don't you think?

If we use the papal calendar we get.

42 months * (28,29,30,31)??? = well that does not compute. Because the papal month has a variable number of days.

I don't know about you but I can calculate prophetic numbers properly. I do not need to use a deceptive calculation.

 

[klutedavid]

What month do you know about that doesn't have 4 weeks?

Only one month in the papal or Gregorian calendar has 4 weeks exactly, all the rest of the months have a little more than 4 weeks.

 

[klutedavid]

Yes I know they are different, but the seven day weeks, and the days themselves, no matter what they are called, do they change...?

I couldn't help but stare at my own calendar for a while and noticed the weeks and days of the week, were kind of, or could be the same regardless, if you counted or started them from the same point... But if you did, those weeks and days, regardless of what they are or were called, should be synchronous, and synonymous, but they are not, and I am also wondering why they are not...? If each one has the same seven days and seven day weeks in it that are continuous, and start at the same point, they should be the same, so are they? or more appropriately, why aren't they...?

God Bless!

Just stare at your papal calendar and note the Roman name of the day that each month starts on.

January starts on a Tuesday.
February starts on a Friday.
March starts on a Friday.
April starts on a Monday.

Whereas as a Lunar calendar each month is below.

January starts on a Sunday.
February starts on a Sunday.
March starts on a Sunday.
April starts on a Sunday.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes I know they are different, but the seven day weeks, and the days themselves, no matter what they are called, do they change...?

God Bless!

There you go brother, now your getting it.

The week days in a seven day week cycle do not change regardless of the calander used. It is a continuous cycle. This proves that at NEW MOON Sabbath theory is a false teaching. As God's 4th Commandments and GENESIS states that Gods SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is every SEVENTH DAY of the week.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't get it then...? They either are or are not the same... If weeks and days of the week are the same, (though maybe going by a different name) then why would they not be synchronous even up to now...

And why would not the Sabbaths or Saturdays be and have been the same (even up to now)...? And if your saying they are not, then what are you saying...?

God Bless!

Did you have a look at the link provided brother on the Hebrew Calander from wiki? The Hebrew calander day names are not the same our calander day names that have their origin from paganism. The Hebrew calander names the days after GENESIS. That is day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (preparation) and 7 (Sabbath). Monday to Sunday are days called after pagan Gods.

However the weekly 7 day cycle is still the same ans still a continuous cycle throughout the year under both calanders and does not effect the SABBATH which is every SEVENTH DAY according to God's WORD *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11.

The Hebrew calander is based in the Luna cycle (Moon) while our calander is based on the Sola (Sun) the yearly day totals are different. The Luna being aroung 354 and Sola 365.

If your asking if the SABBATH days is still the same? Of course it is. There is no such thing as a NEW MOON Sabbath. God's SABBATH is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. In both HEBREW (Luna) and our Calander (Sola) God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath is always the SEVENTH day of the weekly cycle. That starts from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset our calander time.

God bless.