WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[safswan]

The 18th day of February is the eighteenth day of the second month of February. We count our days from the start of the month.

I don't know how you count your days?

We have a different number of days in our months because we use a solar calendar.

The old Jewish calendar only had thirty days in every month.

So the old Jewish calendar is not synchronized with our calendar. Sabbath days in Israel are on different days to the Sabbath days in the western world. A lunar calendar and a solar calendar are different calendars.

You know the Jewish month starts at the new moon, in the western calendar the new moon is not the start of the month.

The start of the month does not affect the weekly cycle.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I use them quite a bit to see what is actually being said. One of my favorites is Bible Hub at biblehub.com.

I'm really into Biblegateway. Some good commentary. I love the audio function of the NIV and KJV where you can listen to the bible in the background while you do house work, play computer games etc. Also its more handy if you want to copy and paste where Bible hub uses some large fonts etc. if posting on a message board.

 

[safswan]

Do you deny that Leviticus 23:3 is a weekly Sabbath?

Did you see the section in bold?

The start of the month and the subsequent occurrence of the Sabbath is based on the new moon.

I can't deny scripture.I deny your unsriptural theories.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now after 48 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

According to JESUS if we are KNOWINGLY following the teachings and traditions of men that break ANY ONE of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that is not true. There is no lunar calander requirement for a weekly Sabbath which is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. It has been kept unboken every seveth day by ISRAEL for thousands of years already.

While your statement about the lunar calendar is true your statement accusing me of lying istn't. It doesn't change the fact all Jewish times are based on the lunar calendar.

The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the starting of the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23.

This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY.

It most certainly does. The first sabbath of the month is always the 7th day after the new moon. Any calendar worth its salt has the phases of the moon on it for agricultural reasons.

Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up the WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK.

You want me to think so. It ain't gonna work.

You do not need a luna calander to determine a day within a week. You do need the luna calander to determine when the ANNUAL FESTS begin under the OLD COVENANT.

There is no Luna calander requirement for God's SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath as it is simply every seventh day of the week unbroken. The Luna calander was a requirement for the timing of the ANNUAL FEAST days of LEVITICUS 23. This has already been demonstrated through the scriptures in posts # 789 and post # 790 linked.

Luna is a Roman goddess. Lunar relates to the moon.

 

[ace of hearts]

Did you see the section in bold?

The start of the month and the subsequent occurrence of the Sabbath is based on the new moon.

I can't deny scripture.I deny your unsriptural theories.

Now I think I'm beginning to understand LGW's comment on my liking a post of yours.

Lev 23:2-3 isn't a personal comment. By your post you seem to agree it's about the sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

While that's true, it doesn't change the fact all Jewish times are based on the lunar calendar. It most certainly does. The first sabbath of the month is always the 7th day after the new moon. Any calendar worth its salt has the phases of the moon on it for agricultural reasons.You want me to think so. It ain't gonna work.Luna is a Roman goddess. Lunar relates to the moon.

I have never said that God's people did not use a Luna calander. In the very first post that was provided as shown through the scriptures it was used to determine the timing of the YEARLY ANNUAL FEAST days. It has no effect on a seven day weekly cycle and does not restart the weekly cycle every time there is a NEW MOON as some have been claiming here.

Well that is not true. There is no lunar calander requirement for a weekly Sabbath which is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. It has been kept unboken every seveth day by ISRAEL for thousands of years already.The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the starting of the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23.

This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY.Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up the WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK.You do not need a luna calander to determine a day within a week. You do need the luna calander to determine when the ANNUAL FESTS begin under the OLD COVENANT.

There is no Luna calander requirement for God's SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath as it is simply every seventh day of the week unbroken. The Luna calander was a requirement for the timing of the ANNUAL FEAST days of LEVITICUS 23. This has already been demonstrated through the scriptures in posts # 789 and post # 790 linked.

Now please post the scripture that shows that the week days change every time there is a NEW MOON?

 

[klutedavid]

Rubbish. Please post the scripture that says that God's weekly SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is according to the sighting of the NEW MOON?

You need to answer the question I asked.

If Israel's yearly feasts were according to the lunar calendar. Then how did Israel determine the start of each month, what calendar?

This is important because Israel had to count the days to know when certain events took place. For example the Passover.

 

[Neogaia777]

Look, let's just get down to it and settle this, so hopefully, we can move on maybe...? It (the Sabbath) either does, or used to, fall on a, or on different days from when we would or do observe it now, or going by the solar calendar, or it does not, so which is it...?

God Bless!

 

[klutedavid]

Did you see the section in bold?

The start of the month and the subsequent occurrence of the Sabbath is based on the new moon.

I can't deny scripture.I deny your unsriptural theories.

So you accept that Israel was under a lunar calendar?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You need to answer the question I asked.

If Israel's yearly feasts were according to the lunar calendar. Then how did Israel determine the start of each month, what calendar?

This is important because Israel had to count the days to know when certain events took place. For example the Passover.

As posted earlier they counted the number of NEW MOONS to determine the start of the ANNUAL FEASTS. A weekly cycle does not effect a YEARLY cycle and the start of the NEW MOON does not effect the days of the WEEK which are on a continual cycle and remain unchanged.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now friends, we have a very funny thing happening here. People here arguing for and promoting a LUNA Calander which is ok in itself but claiming that EVERY NEW MOON the days of the week are changed (which is false).

Now the prblem you have is that if you believe a Luna calander effects the weekly cycle (which it does not) then it also applies to Sunday and you have no LORD'S DAY. Start going to Church then in the middle of the week. See where your argument is leading you? Your argument here effects every day of the week not one.

However this is rubbish as a Luna calander does not effect a weekly cycle and you have no scripture to show that the week days change everytime there is a NEW MOON. What you are proposing is unbiblical and does not make any sense.

Do you practice your belief here and apply it to Sunday which you claim without scripture is the LORD'S DAY?

This is a very interesting discussion indeed .

 

[ace of hearts]

Of course it can. It is determined by the yearly cycle as it is an ANNUAL EVENT not a weekly event. This is what I have already been sharing with you from the begginning in relation to the SPECIAL ceremonial sabbaths that were not God's 4th commandment Sabbath connected to the ANNUAL FEASTS days. Depending on the yearly cycle they could fall on any day of the week because they were not connected to the week by the year. If you read the scriptures and the posts provided you would already know this.

Hope this helps.

Why do you suddenly want to shy away from the sabbath with all this emphasis on annual feasts? It's really off topic.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why do you suddenly want to shy away from the sabbath with all this emphasis on annual feasts? It's really off topic.

I don't mind as a I thought you were interested in discussing your claims about a Luna calander effecting the days of the week and what day the Sabbath starts. God's WORD is very clear. It is every SEVENTH DAY of the week *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11.

 

[ace of hearts]

We are in the NEW COVENANT now.

Yes I totally New Covenant, you're not. You believe in an amended continuing olds covenant. I don't in accordance with Jer 31:31-33. The rest of your post is in opposition to your first statement and deleted for that reason.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes I totally New Covenant, you're not. You believe in an amended continuing olds covenant. I don't in accordance with Jer 31:31-33. The rest of your post is in opposition to your first statement and deleted for that reason.

Not at all brother, the NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. We no longer do animal sacrifices and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW are fulfilled in Christ and his ministration as our great sacrifice and high Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hande.

You mix up the shadow laws from that MOSAIC book of the covenant *EXODUS 24:7 brother with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 that show us we are all sinners and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25 to be free from our sins to walk in his Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the OLD COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12, we no longer need to follow the Shadow LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditons of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow God or man? I know who I believe *ROMANS 3:4.

Hope this helps

 

[Neogaia777]

Now friends, we have a very funny thing happening here. People here arguing for and promoting a LUNA Calander which is ok in itself but claiming that EVERY NEW MOON the days of the week are changed (which is false).

Now the prblem you have is that if you believe a Luna calander effects the weekly cycle (which it does not) then it also applies to Sunday and you have no LORD'S DAY. Start going to Church then in the middle of the week. See where your argument is leading you? Your argument here effects every day of the week not one.

However this is rubbish as a Luna calander does not effect a weekly cycle and you have no scripture to show that the week days change everytime there is a NEW MOON. What you are proposing is unbiblical and does not make any sense.

Do you practice your belief here and apply it to Sunday which you claim without scripture is the LORD'S DAY?

This is a very interesting discussion indeed .

I'm trying to say that it doesn't matter, I will worship or go to worship services any day of the week I want, and as I will, and I should not be judged for that... and in my situation, I get to have Sabbath day anytime, and any day I want or wish, and as I want and wish, and I get to have it often...

That aside, Are the two calendars synchronous, or not...? Sabbaths falling and being observed on the exact same days, or not...? This is simple, Yes or No...?

God Bless!

 

[ace of hearts]

As posted earlier the first part of the scripture you quote testifies against you. Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17).

No it doesn't because of -

LK 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the <1> law, or <2> the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to <3> fulfill.

You disagree with the meaning of point 3. Your arguement is Jesus came to teach the law. Jn 1:17 stands in your way.

NOTE: JESUS did not come to destroy or stop καταλύω; kataluō the law or the prophets (this is referring to torah both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant prophets and psalms).

Your concept here is more like annihilate than destroy.

The GREEK word fulfill used πληρόω; plēroō here has many applications depending on the context of use. The many meanings of fulfil πληρόω; plēroō are From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

I'm in compliance with the above concerning the law in Mat 5:17-18. You even highlighted what I believe the Scripture says with finish, complete, end, fulfil. The word end also comes in Rom 10:4. So I think I'm right on the money here.

In the context above we are referring to the law, prophets and Psalms. The CONTEXT is that JESUS has not come to destroy or bring to an END to the law, prophets and psalms. So the GREEK word use here for fulfill based on the rules of CONTEXT cannot mean bring to an end or expire. The meaning here then considering the GREEK word and primary context whics not to destroy being used then is to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS. This is re-emphasized in v18

[18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

NOTE: The topic is still the same here in v18 and the CONTEXT therefore is still the LAW and the prophets and Psalms. This passage is referring to HEAVEN and EARTH passing away. This does not take place until after the SECOND COMING. As HEAVEN and EARTH have not passed away and as yet there has been no SECOND COMING it should be very clear that all things concerning CHRIST and God's plan of salvation for mankind written in the law and the prophets and Psalms have NOT YET BEEN FULFILLED.

You totally disregard LK 24:44.

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CONCLUSION The GREEK meaning of fulfill in v17 πληρόω; plēroō defines it's meaning from the CONTEXT of application which is JESUS saying he has not come to destroy or bring to an end the law and the prophets (torah) the GREEK application for fulfill then cannot mean bring to an end as this is not the meaning of the context used before by JESUS saying he has not come to bring to an end (destroy). The context meaning of fulfill in v17 πληρόω; plēroō therefore means to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS.
Not all thing have been fulfilled concerning JESUS in the law and the prophets and Psalms as Heaven and Earth have not passed away and there has not been a second coming to complete God's plan of salvation for mankind so not all things have been fulfilled. What has been fulfilled is Christs work on earth but not in HEAVEN.

It doesn't matter how much you go and on about the verse because it won't change anything including me on the issue. I can read.

 

[ace of hearts]

I'm really into Biblegateway. Some good commentary. I love the audio function of the NIV and KJV where you can listen to the bible in the background while you do house work, play computer games etc. Also its more handy if you want to copy and paste where Bible hub uses some large fonts etc. if posting on a message board.

All my Scripture quotes come from Biblegateway.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your post has no truth in it. There is no Luna calander requirement for God's SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath as it is every seventh day of the week. The Luna calander was a requirement for the timing of the ANNUAL FEAST days of LEVITICUS 23. This has already been demonstrated through the scriptures in posts # 789 and post # 790 linked.

According to the Hebrew calendars and traditional Christian calendars and the bible, Sunday has always been the first day of the week. However, according to the International Organization for Standardization ISO 8601 (European calander), Sunday was changed from the first day of the week which is what it always has been to the seventh and last day of the week in 1988. Once again this has nothing to do with Gods Calander and the bible as it is a recent man-made creation.

There's no luna calendar.