WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

The entire Old Testament including what is often called "the moral law" has been done away with in Christ, for those He has redeemed. Does this mean believers are immoral? No they are not, because the Holy Spirit being a moral entity compels them to obedience, because God can not deny Himself.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN have not seen him and do not KNOW him and need to be BORN AGAIN *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-9.

Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?

So yes, the 7th day Sabbath was done away with for those who are in Christ. For those who aren't though, they will be condemned by the Law; for the only thing the law can do is condemn. (Romans 3:19)

Nope. You have not posted a single scripture to show God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY now have you brother?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So "LoveGodsWord" - at this point you don't really "love God's word" because you are not obedient to it. Repent. People such as me pointing this out to you, will do one of two things. If you are one of God's elect, you will come to repent and believe. If you are not one of God's elect than instances such as this very conversation will be recounted to you on Judgement Day. You will never be able to say to God - "I never knew the Sabbath was changed!" He will say to you - Remember that person on Christianforums who pointed out to you the Greek, where the word Sabbath was used for both Saturday and Sunday. "I hope this helps."

Brother repentance is from SIN which is breaking God's LAW or not following God's WORD. The OP here asks questions asking where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. You have provided no scripture to answer this question. Now JESUS say to all of us that if we KNOWINGLY FOLLOW the teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of GOD we are not FOLLOWING God. These are God's WORDS not mine brother. Does this not worry you?

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You have been shown scriptures but you refuse to hear them because your ears are closed to the truth.

Really? Which ones can you show me brother maybe I missed them. Where are the scriptures that say God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day?

 

[Kermos]

"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Jesus Christ (Matthew 11:28)

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads [of grain] and eat.
But when the Pharisees saw [this], they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent? But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
(Matthew 12:1-8)

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

One of them, a lawyer, asked Him [a question], testing Him, "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
(Matthew 22:35-40)

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit. (John 19:30)

Praise be to God, for He answered about the Sabbath (see Matthew 12:1-8)

Jesus is Lord. He is Lord of me, and He is Lord of the Sabbath (see Matthew 12:8). He gives rest because rest is in Him who saves, Christ alone. Every day, every moment, is Jesus'. Jesus is my source of rest because He said so (see Matthew 11:28). Every day, every moment, He carries my heart in communnion with the Living God, in this is sabbath a.k.a. rest. Despite a different Greek word for rest being used in Matthew 11:28 from sabbaton, the synonym of rest remains valid.

Please note, Matthew 7:12 follows Matthew 5, such as "Blessed are the gentle", and Matthew 7:12 preceeds the part about Jesus explaining about fruit. Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, we believers produce fruit of the Spirit (John 14:17). We all know that Love is a fruit of the Spirit (Galations 5:22).

The Master Orator Who Created everything seen and unseen said "this is the Law and the Prophets". The "this" is love and compassion. We can travel on the seventh day of the week because we are in Christ, and we can eat because He is Lord of the Sabbath! We can tell people about Jesus, too, because Jesus is our example, and He did just that! All because the Lord of the Sabbath is our rest for we are One with Him (John 17:21).

I'm not saying don't rest, rather, I am saying that Jesus said everything good within us believers is a heart manifesting God's Light (John 3:21).

 

[Kermos]

In Act 15, the Apostles and elders included in the letter: "that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication" which clearly reference two of the Ten Commandments being:
1) idolatry in Commandment 2 (Exodus 20:4-6)
2) adultery in Commandment 7 (Exodus 20:14)

Therefore, this letter from the Apostles and elders is not restricted to circumcision as you repeatedly assert, LoveGodsWord.

Peace be with you!

 

[DamianWarS]

You have not posted a single scripture to show God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY now

That's because the argument is a straw man.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

In Act 15, the Apostles and elders included in the letter: "that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication" which clearly reference two of the Ten Commandments being:
1) idolatry in Commandment 2 (Exodus 20:4-6)
2) adultery in Commandment 7 (Exodus 20:14)

Therefore, this letter from the Apostles and elders is not restricted to circumcision as you repeatedly assert, LoveGodsWord.

Peace be with you!

Those are the Noahide Laws...Sheva Mitzvot B'nei Noach

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You have been shown scriptures but you refuse to hear them because your ears are closed to the truth.

The truth is that the Sabbath was kept BEFORE Sinai (Genesis and Exodus). Also, a MIXED multitude left Egypt and were at Sinai. The 2 instituted in Genesis were the Sabbath and marriage...

 

[The Righterzpen]

Brother repentance is from SIN which is breaking God's LAW or not following God's WORD. The OP here asks questions asking where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. You have provided no scripture to answer this question. Now JESUS say to all of us that if we KNOWINGLY FOLLOW the teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of GOD we are not FOLLOWING God. These are God's WORDS not mine brother. Does this not worry you?

God bless.

The Lord rebuke you. I'm done with this conversation. You have been dishonest about all of it. May God have mercy on you.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

In Act 15, the Apostles and elders included in the letter: "that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication" which clearly reference two of the Ten Commandments being:
1) idolatry in Commandment 2 (Exodus 20:4-6)
2) adultery in Commandment 7 (Exodus 20:14)

Therefore, this letter from the Apostles and elders is not restricted to circumcision as you repeatedly assert, LoveGodsWord.

Peace be with you!

Brother,

What they are stating is that the Gentiles at this time should not be burdened with to much of the Law of Christ at one time. The Laws being stated/given are the Laws written in the New covenant Law which we now have. Along with this small list of commands they sent along people to instruct them further in what they are to do to follow God's law/commands.
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.
34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.
35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

Those they sent in person who stayed in the people in each of the Churches taught them how to keep God's law, not just the few commands first given at the council. They did this because those who sought to bring the Churches of God under the Yoke of Bondage were in every city, so it was needful that there be a minister strong in faith in each city to instruct the people in the Lord's truth.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

What sparked this need, was that there were those of the Circumcision who were trying to get the gentiles to be circumcised and to follow the Mosaic Law which was Written on Parchment.
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Every command they gave was a command that remains in the New Testament, they did not give them any command out of the Mosaic law. That they gave them only a handful of the New Testament law was so they would not receive to much at once, since they knew a person was only accountable for the Knowledge they had received, that is why they sent along ministers to instruct them further in the commands of God. For this same reason we also see Paul and the Apostles writing epistles to instruct them with both meat and milk as the people in each Church had need/could handle.

 

[FollowGodnotMan]

My take on it is Titus 3:9- But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.

9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

THis means not to argue or debate with someone that is not a christian who wishes to foolishly debate with a christian about their faith and Bible

 

[FollowGodnotMan]

Correct, the "Lord's Day" is found in Revelation.

Revelation 1:10

Referencing:

"The Day of the Lord" is a biblical term and theme used in both the Hebrew Bible (יֹום יְהוָה) and the New Testament(ἡμέρα κυρίου), as in "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come" (Joel 2:31, cited in Acts 2:20).

The Day of the Lord - Wikipedia

That day is regarding Jesus' return at the end. Not the 4th commandment to keep the sabbath holy

 

[Neogaia777]

9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

THis means not to argue or debate with someone that is not a christian who wishes to foolishly debate with a christian about their faith and Bible

"Foolishly" being the key word... And look at the types he describes as "heretics"...? And not to foolishly debate especially over vain questionings or vain things with them or those like them...

And the fact that he says these ones "are sinners" and are in sin, and sinning, even when claiming to not be, ect...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Brother,

What they are stating is that the Gentiles at this time should not be burdened with to much of the Law of Christ at one time. The Laws being stated/given are the Laws written in the New covenant Law which we now have. Along with this small list of commands they sent along people to instruct them further in what they are to do to follow God's law/commands.
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.
34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.
35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

Those they sent in person who stayed in the people in each of the Churches taught them how to keep God's law, not just the few commands first given at the council. They did this because those who sought to bring the Churches of God under the Yoke of Bondage were in every city, so it was needful that there be a minister strong in faith in each city to instruct the people in the Lord's truth.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

What sparked this need, was that there were those of the Circumcision who were trying to get the gentiles to be circumcised and to follow the Mosaic Law which was Written on Parchment.
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Every command they gave was a command that remains in the New Testament, they did not give them any command out of the Mosaic law. That they gave them only a handful of the New Testament law was so they would not receive to much at once, since they knew a person was only accountable for the Knowledge they had received, that is why they sent along ministers to instruct them further in the commands of God. For this same reason we also see Paul and the Apostles writing epistles to instruct them with both meat and milk as the people in each Church had need/could handle.

I don't know if the assumption that they did not give the Gentiles the law (right away) was because they could only handle a little bit at a time or something like that is necessarily correct (or maybe even biblical) or not...? Does it (actually) say...? Or is it (actually) written...?

But, hey, whatever...

And they did not preach or teach the law to them either, they preached the good news Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Paul said that any other man preaching or teaching any other gospel (and he was referring the the, well, "law people" in short) Anyway, any other man preaching or teaching any other gospel was and is cursed and under a curse and could or do try to bring and put others under a curse... They did not teach them the law because of that...

God Bless!

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

I don't know if the assumption that they did not give the Gentiles the law (right away) was because they could only handle a little bit at a time or something like that is necessarily correct or not...?

But, hey, whatever...

God Bless!

Acts 15:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

We see Paul saying the same thing later by saying there are those who who should be getting meat but are still in need of Milk.
1 Cor 3:2
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Also it is the New Covenant/New law of Christ(which includes the Ten commandments) that was given to them not the Mosaic law Written on Parchment.

 

[Neogaia777]

Acts 15:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

We see Paul saying the same thing later by saying there are those who who should be getting meat but are still in need of Milk.
1 Cor 3:2
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Also it is the New Covenant/New law of Christ(which includes the Ten commandments) that was given to them not the Mosaic law Written on Parchment.

The Law is not the meat though... And the letter of the law is dead, but not it's Spirit, written on hearts... And true obedience to it comes by Love... And Faith, of course...

God Bless!

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

The Law is not the meat though... And the letter of the law is dead, but not it's Spirit, written on hearts... And true obedience to it comes by Love... And Faith, of course...

God Bless!

Brother, I am not saying the Meat is the Law of Christ. I said it is the same principle of the weaker in the Faith Christians/babes in Christ only being able to bear so much at a time. That is why they said they would lay no greater burden on them and sent along others to instruct them as they were able to handle(as we are shown Paul did in his epistles).

 

[Neogaia777]

Brother, I am not saying the Meat is the Law of Christ. I said it is the same principle of the weaker in the Faith Christians/babes in Christ only being able to bear so much at a time. That is why they said they would lay no greater burden on them and sent along others to instruct them as they were able to handle(as we are shown Paul did in his epistles).

Yes, but didn't you say or imply that they were instructed by them in either doing and/or performing or being taught by them to observe or obey or keep the Law "in the traditional way", or not...? and not teach them in the "new way" or the new things about it, or not...?

Cause I could have had that wrong...?

God Bless!

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Yes, but didn't you say or imply that they were instructed by them in either doing and/or performing or being taught by them to observe or obey or keep the Law "in the traditional way", or not...? and not teach them in the "new way" or the new things about it, or not...?

Cause I could have had that wrong...?

God Bless!

Brother, you speak in a very strange way that is difficult to understand.

The Apostles instructed the Christians to keep the Commands of God that were before written on stone(now written on our hearts-moral law) and to keep the Law of Christ(law of spirit/faith/liberty/righteousness/life). The Apostles did not instruct them to keep the law of Moses/Mosaic covenant written on parchment by the hand of Moses.

 

[ace of hearts]

Why do Saturday keepers make such a big issue out of Saturday keeping?

Perhaps because they tend to be legalistic and don't recognize the New Covenant.