The Free Will of Pharaoh--- Exodus---Did he have a choice?

[Hammster]

Jesus’ condemnation is not a random choosing. Jesus ONLY condemns those who do not abide in Him either by their actions or by their heart’s intentions.

David said He doesn’t condemn. Maybe you should talk to him about it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Was the crucifixion of an innocent man sinful?

Jesus knowingly and willingly sacrificed Himself on our belhalf to do God’s will.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I never said God granted grace. That doesn’t even make sense.

God’s grace is the new birth. The fruit of that birth is faith. And it’s through faith we are justified.

Then how is one regenerated without the new birth? Regeneration is a result of being born again becoming a new creation. I think your backpedaling now.

 

[Hammster]

Jesus knowingly and willingly sacrificed Himself on our belhalf to do God’s will.

Really? I can see possibly him nailing his feet and one hand to the cross. How did He nail His other hand?

And why go through the whole trial thing?

 

[BNR32FAN]

David said He doesn’t condemn. Maybe you should talk to him about it.

Matthew 25 He condemned the goats, Matthew 7:21-24 He condemned those who didn’t do the will of God.

 

[Hammster]

Then how is one regenerated without the new birth? Regeneration is a result of being born again becoming a new creation. I think your backpedaling now.

Regeneration IS new birth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Really? I can see possibly him nailing his feet and one hand to the cross. How did He nail His other hand?

And why go through the whole trial thing?

Are you not familiar with His prayer in the olive grove in Gethsemane? Take this cup of suffering from my lips, your will be done.

 

[Hammster]

Matthew 25 He condemned the goats, Matthew 7:21-24 He condemned those who didn’t do the will of God.

Again, talk to David. I know Christ condemns. David disagrees.

 

[Hammster]

Are you not familiar with His prayer in the olive grove in Gethsemane? Take this cup of suffering from my lips, your will be done.

That doesn’t answer my question. How did He nail His other hand to the cross?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Regeneration IS new birth.

Your just said God’s grace is the new birth, now your saying regeneration is the new birth, your original statement was they receive the authority to be born of God because of regeneration. Your going in circles. Like I said your basically saying God gave them grace so they could have the authority to choose to receive grace. Your going in circles my friend.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That doesn’t answer my question. How did He nail His other hand to the cross?

The question is ridiculous. The point is that Jesus willingly agreed to being sacrificed.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That doesn’t answer my question. How did He nail His other hand to the cross?

Ok I’ll answer your question no He didn’t nail Himself to the cross. So what’s your point?

 

[Hammster]

Your just said God’s grace is the new birth, now your saying regeneration is the new birth, your original statement was they receive the authority to be born of God because of regeneration. Your going in circles. Like I said your basically saying God gave them grace so they could have the authority to choose to receive grace. Your going in circles my friend.

I guess I phrased it wrong. My apologies.

The new birth (regeneration) is God showing us grace.

 

[Hammster]

The question is ridiculous. The point is that Jesus willingly agreed to being sacrificed.

But who did it? And was it sinful for them to crucify an innocent man?

 

[BNR32FAN]

But who did it? And was it sinful for them to crucify an innocent man?

I’m sorry I see your point now yes it was sinful and one thing that I wonder about is will those men be punished for it? Jesus forgave them. I think most likely they would still be condemned for not accepting Christ but probably not for crucifying Him.

 

[Hammster]

I’m sorry I see your point now yes it was sinful and one thing that I wonder about is will those men be punished for it? Jesus forgave them. I think most likely they would still be condemned for not accepting Christ but probably not for crucifying Him.

Who was, according to scripture, responsible for those men committing sin to crucify Christ?

 

[icxn]

If I’m reading this correctly, the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart was not a vehicle to the compulsion?

Yes, the hardening had the opposite effect of that of the plagues, the latter being the compulsion to let the Israelites go, the former delaying the change of Pharaoh's heart.

 

[Halbhh]

I do too. But does not negate what Paul wrote and argued in Romans 3.

So their must be an explanation as Scriptures do not contradict and I know you believe this too.

Perhaps we should ask how the humble arrive at being humble.

It's a very good question. But....one thing is we are born that way to begin with: "He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." ... And isn't this universal, that we have a natural humility initially? The little child doesn't (yet) think he/she knows better than the adults or is above them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Who was, according to scripture, responsible for those men committing sin to crucify Christ?

Well I’m going to take a guess here and say the Pharisees were responsible. Pontiff Pilot tried to release Jesus several times.

 

[Concord1968]

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