“Do not judge so that you will not be judged.” Matthew 7:1

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Yes Jesus said that in Matthew 7:1.

Does this mean we are not to judge fellow believers or even unbelievers at all or according to our own sense of self righteousness?

Does this mean if a Bishop, Pastor or Elder of a church sins we as the Body of Christ are not to enact church discipline. I mean Jesus said don’t judge so that we will not be judged. So keeping with the first verse of chapter alone we end up letting overt unrepentant sinners lead our churches. We let sin perpetuate in our churches. We also remain silent preaching the Gospel because to tell people our sin separates us from God would bring Judgment on us. Verse one says it!

But what does Jesus say in the following verses in Matthew chapter 7?

1“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. (NASB)

This is clear teaching. Someone should not accuse another of sins when they too are sinners. The intent here Jesus is teaching we are all sinners and are not to judge others according to how we live or thr degree of our perceived “righteousness.” In the chapters leading to this one and after Jesus takes to task thr Pharisees for their judgment according to their rituals. Jesus spoke of in chapter 6 the self righteous ways the religious leaders prayed, fasted and gave to the poor. So we see here in verses 1-5 again the standards we set should not be the basis of judging others. That is why when we preach the Gospel we explain to others we are all sinners in need of God’s redemption.

Yet in verse 6 we have this.

6“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (NASB)

How can we determine what is holy if we cannot judge between what is righteous and what is wicked? Jesus tells us a few verses later how to identify false prophets.

15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits. (NASB)

It seems Jesus tells us we would be able to judge between good fruit and bad fruit. How are we to do this if we are told not to judge? I mean a new pastor comes in and says “Jesus is not the Son of God” which we know to be false. Can we now judge as a church that the errant pastor needs to be removed?

The answer is of course we can judge on these matters and more because God has given us His Holy Spirit, His commands and words to judge error and remove unrepentant sin from our churches.


Jesus concludes the dialogue with the following:

24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.” (NASB)

The answer is if we hear His words and act on them we reside on a foundation of rock and will not be swayed.

Judge not unless we be judged is based on our standards of righteousness or self righteousness. Jesus clarifies in the remainder of the chapter that we can decipher the difference between truth and error by judging on on their fruits.

This was picked up on in Apostolic teachings as well when Paul called for church discipline:

1 Corinthians 5: NASB

1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife.2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (NASB)

“Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”

I think that is loud and clear.
 

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Yes Jesus said that in Matthew 7:1.

Does this mean we are not to judge fellow believers or even unbelievers at all or according to our own sense of self righteousness?

Does this mean if a Bishop, Pastor or Elder of a church sins we as the Body of Christ are not to enact church discipline. I mean Jesus said don’t judge so that we will not be judged. So keeping with the first verse of chapter alone we end up letting overt unrepentant sinners lead our churches. We let sin perpetuate in our churches. We also remain silent preaching the Gospel because to tell people our sin separates us from God would bring Judgment on us. Verse one says it!

But what does Jesus say in the following verses in Matthew chapter 7?

1“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. (NASB)

This is clear teaching. Someone should not accuse another of sins when they too are sinners. The intent here Jesus is teaching we are all sinners and are not to judge others according to how we live or thr degree of our perceived “righteousness.” In the chapters leading to this one and after Jesus takes to task thr Pharisees for their judgment according to their rituals. Jesus spoke of in chapter 6 the self righteous ways the religious leaders prayed, fasted and gave to the poor. So we see here in verses 1-5 again the standards we set should not be the basis of judging others. That is why when we preach the Gospel we explain to others we are all sinners in need of God’s redemption.

Yet in verse 6 we have this.

6“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (NASB)

How can we determine what is holy if we cannot judge between what is righteous and what is wicked? Jesus tells us a few verses later how to identify false prophets.

15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits. (NASB)

It seems Jesus tells us we would be able to judge between good fruit and bad fruit. How are we to do this if we are told not to judge? I mean a new pastor comes in and says “Jesus is not the Son of God” which we know to be false. Can we now judge as a church that the errant pastor needs to be removed?

The answer is of course we can judge on these matters and more because God has given us His Holy Spirit, His commands and words to judge error and remove unrepentant sin from our churches.


Jesus concludes the dialogue with the following:

24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.” (NASB)

The answer is if we hear His words and act on them we reside on a foundation of rock and will not be swayed.

Judge not unless we be judged is based on our standards of righteousness or self righteousness. Jesus clarifies in the remainder of the chapter that we can decipher the difference between truth and error by judging on on their fruits.

This was picked up on in Apostolic teachings as well when Paul called for church discipline:

1 Corinthians 5: NASB

1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife.2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (NASB)

“Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”

I think that is loud and clear.
19My brothers, if anyone among you might wander from the truth, and someone should bring him back, 20let him know that the one having brought back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover over a multitude of sins. Js 5:19-20
 
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We are commanded to judge by the law of Christ(1 Cor 2:15, 6:2-5; John 7:24) for it is the law we are all to be judged by(John 12:48;Romans 2:16). If by the Law of Christ we see a brother in sin, then it is a command of God that we should correct our brethren(2 Thess 3:15-16; James 5:19-20 ;2 Timothy 4:2-5) showing them where they are in error(Matt 7:5). If it is an elder of the Church that is in sin, we should rebuke/accuse them before the whole Church or at the very least before two or three(1 Timothy 5:19-20).
 
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“Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”
I think that is loud and clear.

That is one letter to one church in history.
Can you show the letter was intended to be included in scripture?
Do you have written permission to reprint the letter as scripture?
 
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Yes Jesus said that in Matthew 7:1.
Does this mean we are not to judge fellow believers or even unbelievers at all or according to our own sense of self righteousness?

More is written, which you should have referenced:

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke 6:41
Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

John 8:7
When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her."

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

Romans 14:13
Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.

James 2:13
For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
 
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19My brothers, if anyone among you might wander from the truth, and someone should bring him back, 20let him know that the one having brought back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover over a multitude of sins. Js 5:19-20

That refers to people who leave grace and fall into legalism.
 
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Is this being judgemental?

A brother is sinning and I approach him and asked him to repent.

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James 4
11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.

Romans 14
13 Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

Romans 14
10 Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

1 Corinthians 4
5
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
 
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That is one letter to one church in history.
Can you show the letter was intended to be included in scripture?
Do you have written permission to reprint the letter as scripture?
It was Paul’s epistle to the Corinthians. It is in Holy Scriptures.
 
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That refers to people who leave grace and fall into legalism.
You are eiseting the passage as it does not state legalism. Wanders away from the truth means any number of things regarding sin including legalism but not only restricted to legalism.
 
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More is written, which you should have referenced:

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke 6:41
Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

John 8:7
When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her."

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

Romans 14:13
Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.

James 2:13
For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Based on God’s law?

If your bishop or pastor is sleeping with the choir and all admit it before the church, what actions would your church take?
 
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Based on God’s law?

If your bishop or pastor is sleeping with the choir and all admit it before the church, what actions would your church take?

I do not judge. I have sin of my own to be concerned about.
The pastor has his/her own problems. What could I do to "fix"
what I imagine is wrong?
 
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11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it
By quoting this you acknowledge there is a Law to be judged by.
 
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I do not judge. I have sin of my own to be concerned about.
The pastor has his/her own problems. What could I do to "fix"
what I imagine is wrong?
You would follow and condone a church leader who admits sin and refuses to repent?

Would you suffer a pastor who admits he is an atheist and wants to remain a pastor?
 
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Huh? Where is legalism mentioned in the text quoted from James?

After analysis, there are only 2 ways to lose salvation.
One says "it is impossible for the Holy spirit to leave, then return, which would mean a second crucifixion would need to happen."

So if the Holy Spirit is "booted" then they are lost.
Second, believers can revert to the First Covenant and try to "legally" gain favor.
These are still believers, but are lost in the law, and can be brought back to salvation with gentle kindness and love.

Third, there is talk about "salvation that cannot be lost", and that is the promise God makes. If people reject this permanent promise, that's up to them. But God does not walk away from His promise, to those who remain steadfast.
 
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You would follow and condone a church leader who admits sin and refuses to repent?

Would you suffer a pastor who admits he is an atheist and wants to remain a pastor?
#1 admitting sin follows a change of heart, which is repentance, acknowledging sin.
#2 I don't suffer any kind of pastors. But I'll drink a beer with many kinds of people.
Except with my HS friend who got hostile to women when drinking. It was a strange personality change for him.
 
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After analysis, there are only 2 ways to lose salvation.
One says "it is impossible for the Holy spirit to leave, then return, which would mean a second crucifixion would need to happen."

So if the Holy Spirit is "booted" then they are lost.
Second, believers can revert to the First Covenant and try to "legally" gain favor.
These are still believers, but are lost in the law, and can be brought back to salvation with gentile kindness and love.

Third, there is talk about "salvation that cannot be lost", and that is the promise God makes. If people reject this permanent promise, that's up to them. But God does not walk away from His promise, to those who remain steadfast.
This has nothing to do with I posted.
 
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